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Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I closed the recent lead coordinator/coordinator election. The results have been announced, thanks. Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 09:08, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dhtwiki, although I submitted the information about my two completed articles on July 31 before midnight GMT, I'm surprised that the leaderboard doesn't reflect the addition of the article I edited with the higher amount of words (21932). Just curious ... Augnablik (talk) 09:07, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Augnablik: Having an entry on the leaderboard is usually done by editors themselves putting up the relevant numbers. It is not done automatically. I am aware of your longest article, which should get you at least a couple of leaderboard barnstars (longest- and 5k article), and will make the entries myself if necessary. Dhtwiki (talk) 22:28, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you, Dhtwiki. I wasn't aware the leaderboard wasn't automatic. It felt awkward to ask that question, but it did seem the right thing to do in case (as I saw it) the board might have suffered the equivalent of a short circuit or something. Augnablik (talk) 00:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I made the changes to the leaderboard. But in May, someone else must have taken my article information and posted it, as I didn't do it myself, not yet even knowing that was expected.
- Now, another question, related to the Oldest Article category: how does anyone know exactly how old his or her articles are? I assume that's calculated by the day and not just the month it was submitted to GOCE, right? Augnablik (talk) 10:36, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- You get credit for four 5k articles when you do an article of more than 20k words. The edit where someone placed an article's copy edit tag is on the article history page, although sometimes, especially when edit is absent a good sommary, you have to do so searching (there is always the "Find addition/removal" link at the top of the page, which can prove useful). Dhtwiki (talk) 08:11, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I was supposed to put myself down as editing four 5k articles rather than just one? Good heavens, how are newbie GOCE editors supposed to know that, as well as that they are the ones who put themselves on the leaderboard? (unless I missed those directions …)
- Augnablik (talk) 08:33, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- See footnote #2 below the leaderboard: "Number of articles of 5,000 words or more. An article of 10K+ words counts as 2, of 15K+ as 3, and so on." Dhtwiki (talk) 08:36, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, okay, sorry. I would, however, have expected that information included with all the other basic directions.
- I still don't think I understand, though, about Oldest Article dating, which seems to be what you were addressing in the second sentence of your reply to me on the 4th at 08:11. I thought the term Oldest Article referred to how far back the request had come to GOCE for copy editing. But from your reply, it sounds as if it's when an editor places a copy edit tag on an article.
- If so, it sounds as if we'd have to check the dates of everyone on the leaderboard, not just our own, to know if we qualified for one of the 5 places in each category.
- And just by way of a caution about looking for an article's copy edit tag: from my own experience with both articles I submitted in this drive, that JL bot "got" me twice again after I first found out about what had first seemed possible vandalism, and removed the tag. This shows me that if we have to look at others' articles to find out when they started, we must remember to look a little further down for a possible earlier tag than when we first see one, in case the editor might have had to add another such tag later than when he or she first began working on the article.
- Augnablik (talk) 09:05, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Oldest articles aren't submitted to us. We take it upon ourselves to work on those articles with the copy edit tag, as well as a few others, unlike the requests page, where editors are actually asking for our help. Sometimes dates and word counts are checked, especially where there are discrepancies between the leaderboard and individual entries, as I am doing now, before barnstars are calculated; but for the most part these things are taken on good faith. Yes, it helps to inspect the history page for JL-bot to be at work or for others' working on the same article, if only to not have conflict with other copy editors (non-copy-editors may well get involved editing while the inuse template is up, but that would not lead to a clash over claiming credit for one of our drives or blitzes). Dhtwiki (talk) 09:40, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Here's what I'd like to suggest, Dhtwiki, to avoid taking more of your time to clarify calculating Oldest Articles for the leaderboard just for me:
- — Could you, or someone you appoint, write and post in the directions for everyone exactly what steps to take to calculate our Oldest Article totals?
- — And close to these steps, could there be a brief disambiguation between (1) the Oldest Articles category on the leaderboard and (2) the articles we're supposed to mark O* on our list of completed articles to indicate they're Oldest Articles? (assuming I'm correct in making this distinction, but from what I understand at this point, there really seems to be one) Augnablik (talk) 12:34, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the barnstars, and especially, for managing the drive. Nice job! Littenberg (talk) 00:28, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- You are welcome. Dhtwiki (talk) 00:31, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for giving out the barnstars! – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dhtwiki, I just went back to the "Women in Music" History page to see if anyone else had worked on the article since the July drive ended, and to my shock found that some of the edits I was doing the night of July 31 appeared as posted in the wee hours of August 1. Although I'd re-checked my time differential with GMT in advance to be sure when it would be midnight UTC in my time zone, and was confident I was finishing the c/e of the article within the allotted time limit, nine of my edits are shown as posted past midnight. The drive is over, of course, but I thought I should mention in case it might look as if I had taken undue liberty.
I'm posting this message here on your Talk page because on the Coordinators' page where we post questions and such, there's a message about the August blitz drive and I didn't want this topic to throw off the sequence. Augnablik (talk) 16:10, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- (talk page stalker) GMT is not the same as UTC. I recommend going to Preferences > Gadgets > Appearance and enabling "Add a clock to the personal toolbar". – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:15, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, my, @Jonesey95! I didn't know that till I just checked on what you'd said, and found that GMT is measured from midday but UTC from midnight. That was an eye-opener. At any rate, I did want to own up to the unanticipated overrun. Augnablik (talk) 17:41, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- GMT is the same as UTC, the former often designating a start at midnight (if there is a noon start, how does it relate to the civil date?). I always wait a day, at least, before starting to calculate barnstars, although that's to accommodate people late with posting results completed on time. However, if people have to make a few late edits, well, that's usually allowable, especially if it's inadvertent and if the editor is as conscientious with their editing as you seem to be.
- This topic probably is better posted at a GOCE newsgroup, especially if the topic will generate information helpful to others. You could have started this topic as a subsection to a section relevant to the July drive, or, alternatively, place it on the drive-specific talk page, rather than the coordinators' talk page. Dhtwiki (talk) 05:04, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- To me, it seems my original message was better directed just to you coordinators and just in regard to this particular drive. But now with Jonesey95's clarification about GMT and UTC, I'd be happy to write a new message about that for other GOCE editors. If you tell me where to find GOCE newsgroups, I'll do that. Augnablik (talk) 06:11, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- It's fine here. If necessary, it can be copied to another group, but I don't think that's necessary. The distinction between GMT and UTC is certainly a fine one and doesn't need discussion amongst copy editors at this point, as it is just of matter of remembering when UTC midnight, which changes with daylight saving time, is in one's time zone. Dhtwiki (talk) 06:26, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The only reason I asked about GOCE news groups is when you said the time differential topic" is probably better posted at a GOCE news group, especially if the topic will generate information helpful to others." If it's unlikely to be helpful, then no need to bring it up at all.
- Frankly, it wouldn't have been of importance to me either, except that if I'd been aware of it during this particular drive I'd have calculated the time differential more accurately. And I may never again be working on a drive on the last day. Besides, after hearing that you extend the time a little beyond the deadline anyway, an extra few hours may not even matter anyway.
- So, let's put "30" on this topic. 🤗 Augnablik (talk) 07:03, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Dhtwiki is right that GMT is basically the same as UTC, but saying "GMT" is imprecise, as people sometimes use it to mean "the time in the UK", which can be UTC+1 during summer time. It's better to just say "UTC" when you mean UTC, and to use the gadget to figure out the UTC time. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:48, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi - Thanks for the totals! If some points should not be used for August, should my total this month be adjusted to 9,080, hence a Cleanup barnstar? - Pac Veten Pac Veten (talk) 00:06, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I haven't yet entered the totals for this blitz. The total you see at the barnstar page, 8767, is from June. 8869 + 313 = 9182 should be your total for this blitz. Dhtwiki (talk) 00:36, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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