User talk:4meter4

— Maile (talk) 12:03, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AfD is just not the same without you, but here is some tea while we await your return, with best wishes for your health and healing. Beccaynr (talk) 01:34, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Thank you for the edit summary note on Talk:Joanna Simon (mezzo-soprano). As far as I see it, that banner is indeed a WikiProject banner, it's just customised. The default in WP:RATER is for such banners to be included in the banner shell when there are 3 or more present, and hence I just allow it to semi-automatically do that when I use it. I do intend to continue this practice on other pages until there is consensus not to, but don't intend to do it again on this particular article. I've also left a reply at Template talk:WIR#Inside or outside the banner shell?. Thanks. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:11, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When adding intentional disambiguation links to pages like Thomas Paul, please remember to observe WP:INTDABLINK. Cheers! BD2412 T 06:52, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Opera eroica and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 11#Opera eroica until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 19:54, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

4meter, you seem to have put this on the project rather than talk page. Aza24 (talk) 20:23, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oops. Editing in mobile is never ideal....4meter4 (talk) 21:14, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello 4meter4. I'm not gonna argue with you but I would like to let you know my thoughts behind this; that comment is nothing but a nationalistic rant, using flawed logic and opposing the long established consensus in scholarship. The user account of this IP has a history of such stuff. Not to mention these type of comments appear occasionally in these type of articles, thanks to stuff like this [1]. Best. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:52, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@HistoryofIran I completely understand your frustration, but at the same time we need to protect our talk pages as spaces where editors can raise issues without fear of having conversations censored. The comment made by the subject was perfectly permissible per our policies at Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. If there was some sort of topic ban (see WP:TBAN) imposed by WP:ANI or WP:ARBCOM, removing the topic thread would have been justifiable, but currently no such topic ban is in place.4meter4 (talk) 23:40, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

	Seasons greetings!
	Wishing you joyous holiday spirits, 4meter4! and best wishes for the New Year

Beccaynr (talk) 03:40, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Beccaynr What a lovely message. I hope you are having a restful and enjoyable holiday season. Have a very happy New Year!4meter4 (talk) 19:00, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Voceditenore, I hope you had a very Happy Christmas and that this coming year brings many enriching adventures. I have missed seeing you around at WP:WikiProject Opera. I hope you will find more time to collaborate with us this year as your work is always appreciated. With affection.4meter4 (talk) 18:59, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

December songs

happy new year

We sang Charpentier's delightful Messe de minuit pour Noël today, which was on DYK yesterday, - a first for me, pictured, - thank you for reason in the Debussy discussion, and sorry if I got a bit nervous yesterday. - Enjoy the season! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:43, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Today, pictured, the soprano of our choral concert of the year. More in the context: User talk:Gerda Arendt#DYK for Talia Or in case of interest. It looks like I can't contribute more opera singers to DYK. Perhaps you could? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:21, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Gerda Arendt Thank you for the lovely holiday messages. I hope you had a happy Christmas and that the coming year is full of joyful and enriching experiences. It's been a while since I have submitted any work to DYK. Lately I have been dedicating myself to Wikipedia:Music encyclopedia topics. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:55, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello!

I just wanted to apologize for a message I mistakenly replied to, as I somehow got a notification for it automatically assumed it was on mine! Anyways, happy holidays, and sorry again :) ~ Eejit43 (talk) 04:37, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Merry Christmas!4meter4 (talk) 04:38, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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January songs

happy new year

Repeating musical wishes! - I'm taking a break from DYK, for more quality articles. Today's featured article is Osbert Parsley, not by me but Amitchell125 where I commented, including the beginning of my songs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:16, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm on vacation, - click on songs! I tell my own stories now, instead of relying on DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Background: User talk:Storye book#Elena Manistina, or: why Tchaikovsky's The Enchantress isn't on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

back from vacation - Melitta Muszely died, RIP --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:58, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @4meter4:, could you please create an article for American actor Si Jenks who had starring roles in films such as The Rider of the Law, Oregon Trail, The Cowboy Star, Zorro's Black Whip, The Great Train Robbery and has already an article in the French Wikipedia? 190.219.168.53 (talk) 07:35, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

March songs

my story today

thank you for what you did for La fanciulla! - sharing impressions from vacation on Madeira 20-30 March, pics now at 25 March with ups and downs and two cats --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Smerus I met is too intelligent to leave Wikipedia over one opera infobox. I imagine that Chopin hurt him more, and the obvious tendency. What makes me so sad is that there was a time when he accepted the compromise that Brian Boulton added to Chopin, as consensus. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

happy to see that Smerus has edited --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is [2] any use to you? Could also get a higher-resolution fat version, but it seems... A little like encouraging her critics. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.3% of all FPs. Currently celebrating his 600^th FP!} 13:40, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Adam Cuerden Thank you for another positive image. Sadly, most of the published scholarship on Turcotti is about her weight. Over half of her biographical entry in The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians is focused on her size and the negative comments about her weight. That entry also failed to name a single opera she she performed in. There are also a good number of opera history texts with the Zanetti image which widely focus on Turcotti and her weight. In short, it’s the thing every academic publication on the singer has focused on. There’s also quite a lot of scholarship dedicated to even more nasty quotes that are weight related in critical reviews, as well as a number of devastatingly mean comments about her weight in private letters written by her colleagues and employers. A lot more has been written on this topic in academic books used in the article, and I really only provided the brief highlights. There are whole letters for example by Mingotti and Pirker which have been analyzed in scholarship to write about Turcotti and her career. I had to really dig to find other kinds of information on this person, and had to look to sources with basically cast listings of operas to find other materials because all of the biographical RS in academic publications were largely focused on her weight, and sadly not so much on her substantial contributions to 18th century opera in Italy. I am confident that no source but Wikipedia has such a flattering and positive portrait of the singer, as this at least had pulled together sources to mention her appearances in original opera productions by important composers; something academic biographical entries on the singer have largely overlooked.4meter4 (talk) 17:20, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 4meter4, in your good and welcome article on Turcotti you write she was a “gifted singer of coloratura”, but this styling doesn't seem very pertinent to me. In their article on Turcotti in The New Grove Dictionary of Opera, Dennis Libby and Carlo Vitali state that “she seems to have been primarily a dramatic singer in a mostly syllabic style (range approximately b♭ to g’’), without much brilliance or bravura”, although she was also able to master elaborate coloratura (as well as all major singers in the Eighteenth Century).
In fact, I often found her name associated with Vittoria Tesi, another great singer-actress of the first part of the century, also coming from Florence and not primarily excelling in coloratura as well. The first time I heard her name was at a 1985 wonderful revival of Pergolesi’s Adriano in Siria, where she had created the prima donna role of Emirena. This role is certainly not an acrobatic and flamboyant one and the two most skilled coloratura singers in the cast, Mariella Devia and Daniela Dessì, took on two other roles that are much more demanding in terms of coloratura, Farnaspe and Sabina.
I leave it to your appreciation whether or not to edit the article.--Jeanambr (talk) 17:39, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PS: I can't help but get the unsourced impression that the singer depicted in the first drawing might not be Maria Giustina Turcotti.

@Jeanambr Yes I am familiar with the Libby quote which I think was a potentially ill conceived assessment because it was based on an incomplete picture of Turcotti's career. At the time Libby wrote that article only a small amount of her repertoire was is evidence. The trouble with the scholarship as written at present on Turcotti is nobody has really looked at all her repertoire in its entirety, and honestly only recently have scholars writing on Venetian opera actually located and catalogued a significant number of operas that she performed in (as in the last two to fifteen years); hence why my article was able to include many more opera roles than in the Grove publications (Libby's article is 31 years old now and is significantly outdated in relation to the recent published scholarship). Selfridge-Field (2007) and Over and Nieden (2021) have provided a much larger picture of her repertoire in Italy than was previously known (but without any analysis in terms of Turcotti's vocal range/abilities), and for this reason, I am hesitant to trust any scholarly assessment that hasn't taken a look at the many previously unknown opera roles in Turcotti's performance repertoire which are now in evidence. This would require looking at recently found opera scores that have been largely neglected in academic writing as well as performance. I also note, that based on reviews and letters in Over and Nieden, I question the previously held argument that Turcotti was having a vocal decline which ended her career in Italy (which Libby argues based on what evidence?). Reviews of her later years in Italy seemed to remain positive of her singing, and largely were negative about her appearance and stage deportment due to her weight gain. I sincerely doubt that Mingotti and the wealthy Bayreuth Court, who could have their pick of top notch talent, would have kept her on if she wasn't in fine vocal form; particularly as her voice seems to have been her only major asset as an entertainer. Additionally, no researcher has looked at her rep in Germany, and a researcher could probably dig up her opera roles in her late career. In short, this is an area where a music historian/musicologist could do some new valuable work, and potentially have something new to say on Turcotti's singing and her unusually long career. Best.4meter4 (talk) 05:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

May songs

my story today

Chiming in: I admire what you did to get her recognized as a performer! - Born OTD: another stage artist, Cathinka Buchwieser, at a time when actress and opera performer wasn't distinguished, and both dubious in society. If I was a researcher I'd look into Turcotti's German repertoire. If you find something and just want help with translation or language clarification, call me! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New topic: sadly Javier Álvarez (composer) died, whose article you began. Can you help with referencing? I'll do some, but Spanish isn't a language I speak (besides menu reading in restaurants). Perhaps SusunW can help (again), even if this is a man. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Hip deep with real life right now, but still trying to get in a bit of editing. If you can't find another Spanish speaker, I'm glad to help Gerda Arendt, but won't guarantee that I can respond immediately, or quickly. SusunW (talk) 15:05, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4 I completely agree with you about the shortcomings and gaps in the historical research on the figure of Turcotti, and I fully share Gerda's appreciation of your article, which I have even half a mind to translate, sooner or later, into Italian. However, I cannot identify which historiographical acquisitions after Croll and Vitali allow Turcotti to be styled a “singer of coloratura” (instead of a dramatic one), considering that their Grove article already stated: “evidence from arias written by G.B. Pescetti and Francesco Corselli, however, shows that she could master elaborate coloratura, rhythmically complex divisions and wide pitch leaps”. Cheers. Jeanambr (talk) 08:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aoidh (talk) 12:03, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't sure if this subject or the shows they were involved in would interest you, but I thiught I'd run it by you in any case. Thanks for all your great work. Take care. FloridaArmy (talk) 23:59, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

—Kusma (talk) 00:02, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See this. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ssilvers what am I looking for?4meter4 (talk) 03:14, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"de Walden" rather than DeWalden or De Walden". -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:53, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 4meter4, a bit more info on my talk page added by another WP editor. Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 22:33, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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October songs

my story today

Thank you for your voice of reason in the deletion discussion for the Israeli peace song. - Today, my (daily) story is a place that inspired me, musings if you have time. My corner for memory and music has today a juxtaposition of what our local church choirs offer. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt Happy to be of assistance. Thank you for creating an interesting article on a song I was not familiar with. I enjoyed listening to recordings and researching the song while commenting at the AFD.4meter4 (talk) 12:43, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I met it at a wedding in Germany, with the father of the bride and some guests from Israel. Peace! It's in prep for a DYK on 2 Nov. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:50, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Towards the end of the month, I thought of Brian Bouldton, and his ways to compromise, - with musings about peace there, - feel free to join. Hevenu shalom aleichem. Today is Reformation Day, and I believe that reformation is a work in progress. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:37, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for expanding and referencing the article on the Jewish/Israeli folk song Hevenu shalom aleichem! gidonb (talk) 14:15, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:02, 2 November 2023 (UTC) [reply]

November songs

my story today · music

Thank you for what you put into the peace song, making it survive, - my story today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I added some images from Aachen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for another theatre! - I proudly remember having sung in an oratorio premiere seven years ago OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Today I have three items on the Main page today, almost too much of a good thing! Bach's amazing cantata with the unusual scale, first performed 300 years ago OTD, the nun for the prostitutes, and Schumann's wedding gift for Clara. Working on Ryland Davies, - perhaps you can add? I'll get over more detail from the GLS tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:50, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Davies looks much better. Today is St. Martin's Day, which stands for sharing. Thank you for sharing music! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:39, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User Talk:Gerda Arendt#Mozart Requiem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:02, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:02, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to echo what others are saying about how great your hook is, and how it instantly drew me to the article. Fantastic work. Viriditas (talk) 18:12, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Viriditas for the kind words.4meter4 (talk) 13:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do you still want to try to workshop a summary? Earlier I was thinking we'd messed up the procedure which might just result in receiving only gripes for the mess up or even a premature closure as malformed/misplaced, but it looks like that is not the case. If you are still interested I should have some uninterrupted time in 6 hours or so, actually I can pop in and out now, I would just prefer to work with less interruptions. If not that is ok too, since it does look like the perfect adherence to protocol was less important here then I had anticipated. TBH, I have never fully understood the interplay between procedural policies/practices and the not bureaucracy conceptual ideation. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:1898:F371:A61F:7119 (talk) 17:33, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that a summary is really worth it as there has really only been a conversation between you, I, and one admin. If we had more participants, it might be worth documenting some sort of consensus but with so few people involved it really doesn't seem like a useful exercise. I think its pretty clear from the response at ANI that you are following what is considered normal process, but I also think that process is counter-intuitive when reading the policy page at WP:Edit Wars. I do think this thing highlights a need to re-examine the language at WP:Edit Wars and add some clarifying statements on proper process one way or the other (depending on what the community decides). I personally would like to see a more tightened policy which requires an attempt at dialogue on the talk page of the disputed arcticle prior to the issue of a warning. We should at least make an attempt at engaging in a cordial way through the WP:TALKDONTREVERT and WP:DISCUSSCONSENSUS process prior to moving to a warning banner as a means of WP:AGF and giving someone a chance to do the right thing in community space. Best.4meter4 (talk) 17:44, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My suggestion is that you workshop an amendment to policy at WP:VPI, and then start an RFC at WP:VPP. At least if you want to follow procedure to the t. But as recent experience shows sometimes close adherence to procedure turns out to be unnecessary, so I guess you could always just try to launch on RFC on the policy talk page, and see what happens. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:1898:F371:A61F:7119 (talk) 18:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly I am not sure I want to take on a policy discussion of that magnitude. That takes a certain amount of time and engagement in non-article space which is not really how I want to spend my time. I much prefer to be working on content creation and/or article improvement.4meter4 (talk) 18:08, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

		The Barnstar of Diplomacy
		With thanks for your civility, good faith and willingness to do your own research at Talk:Tale of the Moon Cuckoo; I believe we've reached a solution agreeable to all. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:32, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December songs

story · music

Thank you for the article! - Today, I managed to updated my images to Paris (trip begun on 29 Nov) with a visit to the Palais Garnier, - to match the story of Medea Amiranashvili, - don't miss listening to her expressive voice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My story today is about Michael Robinson, - it's an honour to have known him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Today, I have a special story to tell, of the works of a musician born 300 years ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Orean Smith's father was the musical director of a theatre orchestra.

You wrote this in Lee Orean Smith. Just curious on where the source about this is. I'm sort of researching about composers like him. Komitsuki (talk) 04:35, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See the cited source. The entire paragraph is cited to Rehrig, William H.; Bierley, Paul E. (1991). "Lee Orean Smith". The Heritage Encyclopedia of Band Music: Composers and Their Music, Volume II. Integrity Press. ISBN 9780918048080. I had a physical copy of the book but you can access the book online in its updated version (other authors have since expanded the encyclopedia in its online form) through subscription at https://www.acbands.org/hebm There is also a blog which talks about his father making a living as a pharmacist while leading a local orchestra https://blog.wabash.edu/dearoldwabash/2019/09/30/tin-pan-alley-alum/ (I left this out as it is a blog) Rehrig and Bierley describe the orchestra as a theatre orchestra. If I remember rightly there is also an interview in Metronome magazine from September 1922 in which Smith relates details about training as a musician under his father and playing in theatre orchestras. I also left this out because it was not an independent source. Best.4meter4 (talk) 06:45, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. Komitsuki (talk) 04:08, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Your submission of William Carter (composer) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 20:19, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Merry Christmas, 4meter4! Wishing you Season's Greetings and a Happy Winter Solstice! As the year comes to a close, I want to express my appreciation for your dedicated efforts on Wikipedia and extend heartfelt thanks for your assistance throughout the years. May the holiday season bring you and your loved ones abundant joy, good health, and prosperity.

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	Happy New Year!
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Abishe (talk) 14:24, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Same location pictured as 2019. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have a DYK on the Main page, but my story would be different, about Figaro, - this Figaro. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Plays about gambling has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 15:47, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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—Kusma (talk) 00:02, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would be happy to have help with this draft if you're interested. FloridaArmy (talk) 13:14, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FloridaArmy I have some ongoing projects at the moment, but I'll take a look when I can.4meter4 (talk) 15:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is another draft on an interesting show that needs work. FloridaArmy (talk) 16:31, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FloridaArmy I have some ongoing projects at the moment, but I'll take a look when I can.4meter4 (talk) 20:00, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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story · music · places

Thank you for expanding Cecelia Hall! I think you could try GA even. On Smetana's 200th birthday -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rossini's Petite messe solennelle was premiered on 14 March 1864, - when I listen to the desolate Agnus Dei I think of Vami_IV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:01, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vacation pics uploaded, at least the first day, - and Aribert Reimann remembered. I think of the theatre, but more people died, one mentioned on project opera. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:31, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Next day, around Porto da Cruz, on Bach's birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:47, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I enjoy seeing Jean Schwartz pictured on the Main page today! - Johann Strauss Theater begun, - I trust that you can add some of the English sources you mentioned, because it's scarcely referenced in German. I wonder why Lord Piccolo isn't among the premieres. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:38, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your professional help for the conductor who is now on the Main page. I listen to Bach's St John Passion today, - 300 years after it was first performed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:31, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would you be aboe to help with this draft? FloridaArmy (talk) 08:17, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello! Your submission of Joseph Redding at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

story · music · places

Sorry, I'm a bit overwhelmed by deaths, articles here and also in real life. Please excuse my limited interest in discussing things that will result in a few 100 views more or less, if at all, in that perspective. Notker Wolf, for example. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm a bit overwhelmed by deaths, and am slowly working on the articles for two of those for which new sources need to be incorporated before they can be nominated (two others are on the Main page right now), and the funeral in real life is on 12 April. I read your review with interest and thought I'd work on that article afterwards. But the load of tags in the article puts me under pressure. Do you understand? I suggest I ask questions here, and then remove the tags one by one when you agree.

1. Summary of the conductor's position. She has an article - I thought. It's not "opinion" but as quick a summary as I could think. She had a different position when she founded the orchestra than she has now, which is the first woman as music director of an Italian opera house, in Bologna. How detailed would you want it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   I tried to split two run-ons, insert three positions for the conductor (with two references from her bio), tried "this orchester" once (didn't want to say Bundesjugendorchester twice in a row), and made the connection between Lviv and the conductor. Too tired for more. To be continued but only after the first of the two RD is nominated. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda Arendt Take your time. Don't feel pressured to get this done today or even this week. Take as much time as you need.4meter4 (talk) 22:35, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I woke up to this invitation, thank you. To take my time was my intention, but seeing the article tags made me feel under pressure, and I can't help that feeling. My brain tells me that they were written in order to help and that it shouldn't matter to have my incompetence publicly displayed, but my stomach doesn't listen. - I feel better now, having succeeded to integrate more obituaries for Michael Boder, even one in English, and thrown out two company refs as less reliable, according to your words. - I worked on the first paragraph for the orchestra around midnight, please check. The time to continue will be after some hours of real life. Tomorrow's funeral with travel will keep me away most of that day, choir rehearsal same on Saturday, and I try not to work on Sundays. Therefore I'd like to get the article somewhat improved later today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The day went not as planned, but in the end I got to some copy-editing: shorter sentences, more links and explanations. Please check. I asked a few users to help copy-editing and finding sources, perhaps in Ukrainian. Bedtime. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My story today is about a piece composed for the Second Sunday after Easter 300 years ago, and I just returned from a (long) Handel opera about the same age. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The last of 6 RD articles is on the Main page now - relief. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(followed by two birthdays) - I added a new hook to the Holender nom, in case of interest. Nice to see another opera singer on the Main page, even pictured, - funny that his name is Holland ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:50, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

today a sad task - memory of Andrew Davis - turned into entertainment (yt at the bottom of his article, actually both) -- the latest pictures capture extreme weather --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the singer DYK today! The Ukrainian youth orchestra is in the same set, - thank you again for your sourcing contributions, as a constructive reviewer! - My brother is pictured with the Marta concert. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gatoclass 12:02, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Fascinating article; great job! Josh Milburn (talk) 13:43, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Josh Milburn Thank you for the kind words. I enjoyed writing it.4meter4 (talk) 15:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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—Ganesha811 (talk) 00:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for a much needed article, and not even in German yet. It's featured on Portal:Germany, pictured and with music. What landed on the Main page would not have attracted me, - I only looked because of the German name as possibly interesting for the Portal (and yes, he was!). I am not liked on WP:ERRORS, but think the change should be discussed on WT:DYK, and also better not by me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda Arendt Thanks for the kind words. The original hook was brought up at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Prep7#Robert Winterberg where there were many editors complaining the hook was boring. I went with the Queen of Romania thing because they were threatening to not feature the article at all. I too found the other hook more interesting, but then, like you, I am somewhat knowledgable about German operetta in comparison to the average person. The original hook would have been more interesting to someone who likes opera and musical theatre history. The queen of Romania hook was probably more interesting to a general audience. Thanks for taking the time to feature the original hook in the portal.4meter4 (talk) 16:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. As you may have seen, I didn't know anything about the history when I saw the two hooks, and had no time to find out, and made my choice for Portal:Germany, where the other hook would have not supplied any connection, while a piece in German and successful in German was a simple connection. I found out about the discussion only later, and commented there. I think this "interesting to a broad readership" is trying to achieve something impossible, and believe it would be better if it was "interesting to those who find the topic interesting". Liviu Holender, btw, will give a recital tomorrow singing Mahler, Schönberg, Zemlinsky, and others from the period. That's what he is good at. I don't know if I can make it, but am very happy that I won't have to be guilty to report on Wikipedia's Main page trivia such as that he held hands with his wife ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have a ticket for the recital. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wunderbar.4meter4 (talk) 22:42, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, and yes, it was. Very intense, anti-war songs, songs of departure ... - free choice of seats, so I sat quite close to the piano. The baritone sang everything from memory, and introduced the music speaking. Schönberg Op. 1 deserves an article. Korngold and Schreker were the other two composers whose music was banned by the Nazis. - Congrats to the baritone below. On the opera talk and for Portal:Germany, he is pictured. I have no idea why the DYK would miss such a chance to show not only how he looks, but how he acts, and the period (which in the hook could be anywhere anytime). I added "baritone" and the "Berlin State Opera" in both cases, - "an opera star" is as vague as can be. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:09, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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RoySmith (talk) 00:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would you be able to help with this subject? FloridaArmy (talk) 13:55, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this article! Unique SCOTUS cases are always fascinating to me, and to find someone involved in both music and SCOTUS cases? How very specific but very impressive! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 00:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

story · music · places

Thank you for the article about a man with many talents! - On the bicentenary of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, I remember our recent uplifting choral concert in pictures, on my user page and in my concerts (leading to the two at the church's article). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Today is the Feast of the Ascension for which Bach composed his oratorio, - perhaps watch a bit how the closing movement was performed in Bach's church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Magdalena Hinterdobler is on the Main page today, together with the opera that you thought was not interesting and too obscure for our general readers. The soprano thought differently, - listen and see. The conductor said that in that interview that it was the first unabridged version ever. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:03, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doom (2016 video game) - today's TFA is again by Vami --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:44, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old OTD. Both - DYK and OTD - were hard work, I confess. In the end I like the hook with five composers the Nazis banned even better than the one you found boring. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Today's story is about Samuel Kummer, one of five items on the Main page - more musing on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For taking on tough tasks at DYK. I noticed your reasoned comments in discussions; I also applaud your contributions relating to governance. Bruxton (talk) 15:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings! Is this subject notable? FloridaArmy (talk) 18:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FloridaArmy She probably is. There's quite a lot of newspaper coverage in newspapers.com; mainly from 1920-1940 but with some coverage in the late 1910s and into the 1950s. Not much appears to have been written about her in books though. She does get a brief and not that positive mention in Blacks in Blackface She does get more positive coverage in this journal article: Black Delilahs: Black Female Sexuality and Resistance in Progressive Era New York City Ultimnately building an article will require going through newspaper archives with this particular person.4meter4 (talk) 20:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It is okay if I repost your findings to the entry's talkpage? 20:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

FloridaArmy I did it for you. Best.4meter4 (talk) 21:31, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Z1720 (talk) 00:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your work on Masi Asare. I so appreciate you getting her into the mainspace and helping make her article better! Wikipedian339 (talk) 16:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikipedian339 Happy to help. Thank you for working on this article.4meter4 (talk) 16:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I'm not sure if this interests you at all, but there is one more BMI alum I made a draft for who's not on wikipedia yet, but I do think seems pretty notable to me. Draft:Dan Mertzlufft

If you're interested, you can take a look, but if not, no worries, I'm sure someone eventually will. Wikipedian339 (talk) 18:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RoySmith (talk) 00:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC) [reply]

story · music · places

Thank you for the article, and I'm sorry we didn't get it pictured (in a different set, - today's image is strong and I would not have wanted to miss that either). - Please return to the Kerck nom, about primary source vs. promotional source. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article Cecelia Hall (mezzo-soprano) that you expanded and referenced is now a good article; see Talk:Cecelia Hall (mezzo-soprano) for comments about the article, and Talk:Cecelia Hall (mezzo-soprano)/GA1 for the nomination. Thank you for your share, you deserve credit more than I do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your share in Daniela Kerck! The image in my story is what I happened to see from my seat (in a performance before the festival - with Anna Netrebko in the title role but sold out of course - and the other was possibly the icier Principessa anyway). I recommend the trailer video. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yesterday I was trying to tease out some dates & referencing in these 2 articles and see that you extensively edited them both, like this edit from May 1, 2024. I am puzzled as to the sources you cited when I cannot find them listed in the references section, for instance, your edit added the following but:

Quesnay's Academy opened on October 10, 1876 in a performance given by the Old American Company of Comedians under the management of Hallam and Henry.^[1] Sources vary as to which work was performed on this date, with some sources claiming it was the opera Poor Soldier^[2][3] and one source the play School for Scandal.^[4]

Keller does not state the info about Hallam and Henry ("under the management...") or give the October date on page 229, both the authors Sonneck and Hornblow are not listed in the References, Stoutamire is the one who gives the date on page 70 (as seen at the main Richmond Theatre article.
There were some oddities in the dates in the Theatre fire article, looks like a year was transposed from October 10, 1786 to October 10 1886 and in the interim Bosco9691 has fixed those typos.
However, as I said above, Keller does not give the date, Sonneck & Hornblow are not listed out as citations in the Fire article's references section & Stoutamire is the source with the October date. In the fire article, regarding the October 10th date, I am going to substitute the complete Stoutamire cite for the Keller cite since Keller does not have the date and Stoutamire does. I've adjusted a few other things in the Fire article.
I am having trouble finding online access to your Poet ref:
<ref name="Poet">{{cite journal|title=Poet, Patriot and Pedagogue|first= John G.|last= Roberts|journal=Arts in Virginia|date= Winter 1966}}</ref>
so I can verify its information. The "Arts in Virginia" journal has completely eluded me, I have been unable to find that named journal or magazine anywhere online, so I was wondering if it by any chance it could go by other name/s? I've hidden that ref for the time being within the Fire article, so if you do have more information you can add it and then get the ref "out of hiding". Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 18:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shearonink Thank you for looking over my contributions. Honestly I read so many sources it is difficult for me to recall which sources contained what information from memory at this point. I've read much else since. I'd have to go back and relook at the sources if you have specific questions. I will go back and find the Sonneck and Hornblow source information and add the refs. I'll double check for accuracy on that section. Arts in Virginia is the journal of the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts published from 1960-1993. You can access The Poet, Patriot, and Pedagogue journal article in the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts archives (not sure if its available on their website or just at their on-site library. They have five physical copies, but I don't believe it has been digitized). The journal is also physically available in some university and public libraries in the state of Virginia. I looked at the journal offline. 4meter4 (talk) 19:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Here is Sonneck

• [https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_the_American_Theatre_During_t/plZAAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Henry+and+Hallam+Poor+Soldier+Alexander+Richmond+Theatre&pg=PA205&printsec=frontcover

I went into the Theatre article & fixed/adjusted some of the referencing. Thanks for your help. The Poet ref/refs could maybe have the publisher (VA Museum) and a Note on where copies can possibly be found, to save anyone trying to find online/archival versions. I was unable to find even library listings of where the journal is held... Shearonink (talk) 15:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I stumbled on this subject and it seems pretty interesting. It is described as a minstrel dance and also noted as a song? It looks like some videos on YouTube capture it being performed as a song. FloridaArmy (talk) 14:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How's everything going? Could you please take a look at this draft? FloridaArmy (talk) 02:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I started a draft on this traditional spiritual. FloridaArmy (talk) 17:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is another draft that needs help. FloridaArmy (talk) 10:45, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is this subject notable? FloridaArmy (talk) 00:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please have a look at this rejected draft and see what you think? FloridaArmy (talk) 02:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is another draft I wouod be happy to have help with. FloridaArmy (talk) 02:40, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings! Would you or someone you know be able to rescue this rejected draft on a historic piano and organ manufacturer with extant historic buildings remaining? FloridaArmy (talk) 13:37, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Z1720 (talk) 00:03, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry 4meter4, this got sent to you early. In order to make room for a special occasion hook, this hook got bumped to Prep 3, but the coding to give you credit was still in queue 4. This hook is scheduled to run on Aug. 16. Sorry again for the confusion. Z1720 (talk) 14:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC) [reply]

story · music · places

Thank you for another good one! - I took the pic a year ago (OTD), and a Bach cantata was first performed 300 years ago OTD, on the same Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ultraphon: I began translation, the last paragraph is missing, next steps would be to provide ill links and improve referencing. Please check the English. I need a break now, RL, but though I better publish now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could you help with this one? FloridaArmy (talk) 14:52, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FloridaArmy I took a look, and couldn't find anything more than what you already gathered. Appears to have been a short lived duo from 1926-1928 that didn't have much of an impact. Not surprising for a blackface duo at the very end of the vaudeville era, and somewhat past the days of minstrelsy. This one is probably not notable.4meter4 (talk) 17:07, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I changed my assessment. An article would be possible based on this archive search: https://archive.org/search?query=%22Nixon+and+Sans%22&sin=TXT&sort=-date However, it's not really a topic I am interested in because it has limited intersection possibilities. They are a rather obscure comedy duo. I'm going to pass on this one as I have many other projects I am currently working on. Best.4meter4 (talk) 17:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BorgQueen (talk) 00:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Terrific little article on a subject fascinating to a theater major like me. Thanks, 4meter4. BusterD (talk) 01:20, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

—Kusma (talk) 00:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you would like to expand your recent stub article Henri Hamal, please feel free to make use of my incomplete research in User:Narky Blert/sandbox 3, which includes a rough translation of the Dutch article. In my state of health, I'll not be returning to it. Just mention me in the WP:ES per WP:COPYWITHIN. Best, Narky Blert (talk) 17:17, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there 4meter4, hope you're keeping well. I've seen your recent efforts with filling in the Wikipedia:Music encyclopedia topics—nice job! I've decided to take a crack at it myself, starting at the last pages (the Zs!). All I've done so far is expand Zygmunt Szweykowski (musicologist), but I expect to get to others shortly. Best – Aza24 (talk) 21:08, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aza24 Awesome. I'm mostly just going through and double checking the blue links. Sometimes its blue because a non-music person/topic with the same name has had an article created. In such cases I will knock off a quick article for disambiguation purposes. Other times, it is the person or topic we want. In such cases, I remove the topic from the music encyclopedia list if it is a start rated article or better. If it is a stub, I make a note and leave it. Any help you are willing to give is appreciated. I find, that the encyclopedia list gets tedious after a point, so I tend to do a check in on a couple pages maybe once or twice a year before moving on to something else.4meter4 (talk) 21:17, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha, I figured you were aiming for something like that. Ironically I found myself having to do that Szweykowski, and his father of the same name (plus the list had a redlink for him, but was just missing a redirect since we already had an article). I expect the tediousness will arrive!—but may as well chip away while I have the motivation. Aza24 (talk) 21:28, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aza24 That often happens. I've had a few cases where it required writing three or more articles because of multiple people with overlapping names. Then of course there is finding articles in horribly bad shape or with factual errors, and taking time to do cleanup, sourcing, etc.4meter4 (talk) 21:33, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings! Is this subject notable? FloridaArmy (talk) 18:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FloridaArmy I was unable to locate a single source on McLane where he was the primary subject. There are many references where he is listed among the names of a bunch of other people (mostly cast lists). I could not locate an obituary. I don't think there is enough content to justify an article. That said, I think you could add content on McClane to the page at Henrietta Loveless. It would be fine to mention his work as a film actor with those two films, and his musical theatre work along with his songwriting with his wife at that page. You could then create a redirect at Lorenzo McLane to Henrietta Loveless. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will do. Thanks! FloridaArmy (talk) 19:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have I asked you about this one? FloridaArmy (talk) 21:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

—Kusma (talk) 00:02, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

—Kusma (talk) 00:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow - a hand-coded AfD! I'm impressed and also extremely apologetic that no one has ever referred you to WP:TWINKLE before. This gadget is useful for all kinds of things, among them, one-step AfD notifications. -- asilvering (talk) 03:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Asilvering Thanks. I've been editing wikipedia long before Twinkle came around. Old habits die hard.4meter4 (talk) 03:09, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I hope everything is going well for you. I would love to have help with this draft. FloridaArmy (talk) 12:19, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Summer camps in film has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:46, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Video games set in summer camps has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:00, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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story · music · places

Thank you for another detailed bio! - I have Rohan de Saram on the same page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My story today is about a composer and choir conductor, listen to his Lamento. - My story on 13 October was about a Bach cantata. As this place works, it's on the Main page now because of the date (but Bach wrote it for the 20th Sunday, not the Tuesday after the 21st Sunday after Trinity). I sort of like it because today is the birth date of my grandfather who loved and grew dahlias like those pictured. I'll turn to the Japanese soprano after a round of loving memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you listen to that Lamento? ... to the soprano? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I saw you at talk:blackface and would like your help.

Can we revise the article to describe the two mainstream views on the topic?

1. that it's always offensive
2. that there are occasions where it's okay

In America it's split 60-40 against, and as long as we don't exaggerate size of the "sometimes okay" group, would you agree that we can describe their reasoning? --Uncle Ed (talk) 19:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that there are two mainstream views. Scholarly works from subject matter experts agree that blackface is racist across the board. Public opinion is notoriously unreliable, and public opinion polls don’t equate to truth. See for example https://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/scibytes/unbelievable/ where one in four Americans stated that the sun revolved around the earth. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:53, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The stubby draft on this conductor of film music was not approved as an AfC submission. FloridaArmy (talk) 11:51, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^Complex/_Rational 00:03, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to cause an edit conflict. Are you finished editing for a half hour or so? -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:21, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ssilvers I was just about to take a break. I can hold off from editing during the next hour. You are welcome to jump in now. Thanks for the message.4meter4 (talk) 19:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, will do. Shouldn't take me long. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:26, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the text, a book is mentioned by Clarkson, Philip B, with the full cite there. Would you please format it like the others, with the full cite down in Bibliography and the sfn short cite above? I am not comfortable working with sfn citation style. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:38, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ssilvers Sure. I'll take care of it.4meter4 (talk) 20:40, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Taylor, Dennis L. (November 5, 2020). "PacRep to launch $3 million remodel of Carmel's Golden Bough". Monterey Herald. This is on the Talk page, but it is behind a paywall, so I can't read it. Can you? If not, any idea who can? -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:11, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ssilvers I am also not able to access it. I can only get a glimpse of the beginning where it says the second phase of the 3,000,000.00 project was beginning. I added a sentence to the article tying it in to the re-opening in 2024. There's probably a lot more content there. Hopefully someone from Monterey who has a subscription will pitch in at some point, and improve our coverage.4meter4 (talk) 21:29, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ssilvers So I was able to get access (sort of) by taking rapid screen shots of the article in the seconds before the pay wall pop-up blocked my view. I now have about the first two thirds of the article viewable but was blocked before i could scroll and screen shot the end.4meter4 (talk) 21:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ssilvers Here is the text I was able to capture:

"The Pacific Repertory Theatre's Golden Bough Playhouse is about to launch the second phase of a multi-million-dollar renovation project, and has just received help from the city of Carmel, which provided a discount on the cost of the permitting process.

The remodeling will completely remake the interior of the Golden Bough. On Tuesday, Pacific Repertory's founder and executive director Stephen Moorer said PacRep is bringing the Golden Bough up to complete compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act among other major remodeling efforts. Capital for the project is entirely through fundraising, and the theater has to date raised roughly $2.7 million of the $3 million goal. Moorer said a major gift of $2.29 million was provided by local philanthropist and Carmel resident Bertie Bialek Elliott.

PacRep has operated the historic building since 1994, which includes three separate theater spaces — the 300-seat Golden Bough, the smaller Circle Theatre with a separate entrance on the backside of the Golden Bough, and the outdoor Forest Theater across town.

Interior work will replace the theater's ventilation system, including new filtration and air conditioning. New restrooms and lobbies will be constructed. The number of seats will be reduced and the interior of the auditorium will be recalibrated with more space between rows. The floor will also be pitched at a different angle. The new audience form, known as "stadium seating," will wrap around the front of the theater's revolving stage, with new side and gallery seating angled directly towards the center of the stage.

The city of Carmel voted to cut the cost of building permits and other fees to help the nonprofit during a time when it is unable to raise revenue through ticket sales. And while the $13,000 waiver might seem like a drop in the bucket with a $3 million capital outlay, every penny helps, Moorer told the City Council Tuesday.

At least one PacRep board member requested the city waive the entire amount. The total fees PacRep was responsible for totaled roughly $46,000. Some of that amount included state fees that are out of the control of the City Council to waive. Some costs, such as plan checks, are fixed and may need to be farmed out to an outside firm since the remodel is specialized, owning to it being public theater, said City Administrator Chip:

"PacRep is a community partner and at the staff level we are huge advocates," Rerig said.

"Philosophically we wish we could do more financially, but the reality is we cut 21% of our staff and $5 million off our budget - 20% of the budget."

The remainder of the building permit fees total about $26,000, which the council voted to reduce to $13,000. But it wasn't a unanimous decision. Councilman Bobby Richards wanted the city to reduce the fees by 75%."

Thanks. BTW, can you tell if Kelleher is still artistic director? -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ssilvers Looks like it as he is still listed on their website; although his official title is "resident director" as given at https://www.pacrep.org/staff It pretty much amounts to the same thing. Best.4meter4 (talk) 22:54, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you add any of your research to these two articles, also? They are still considering nominating them for AfD and/or merging them into PacRep, which seems like a bad idea to me. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note this. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:20, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ssilvers Oh my. Clearly not an editor familiar with the content area. That would be an easily dismantled argument by pointing to the "specialized encyclopedia" criteria of WP:5P1 (which trumps WP:NOT as part of the WP:Five pillars). Specialized performing arts encyclopedias like Grove Music Online, the Deutsches Theater-Lexikon, The Oxford Encyclopedia of Theatre and Performance, etc. routinely list productions. Wikipedia should model its encyclopedia entries off of published subject matter specific encyclopedias by major academic publishers per our foundational pillars. Those all include production lists.4meter4 (talk) 05:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we should put back in the comprehensive list, but I think we should mention notable productions, especially if we can find a review. And we should point out the focus on local playwrights. I have given the Forest Theater article a proofread and have tried to find a middle ground between the deletionists and the inclusionists, but some good refs will help a lot in adding back discussion of the most important productions. -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Encyclopedias generally don't list every production either unless it's a very specific reference work (and there are a number of those; particularly for Broadway and the West End).4meter4 (talk) 06:08, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you have been considering and were about to do a good thing. I understand that a discussion has caused you stress. Might I suggest you step away from the discussion, but do not step away from the task? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:57, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. You did a lot of good work at the article, and I think that, with patience, we will persuade people of the importance of this content. User:Timtrent, it would be extremely helpful if you would go to the articles and express your opinion so that we can continue to work on the articles (Pacific Repertory Theatre, Forest Theater and Golden Bough Playhouse), so that they can see that it is not just me and 4meter4 opposing the deletions. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:31, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Timtrent and Ssilvers Thanks for the kind encouragement but I will have to decline. I’ve already had two editors ask me (and others) to not edit the articles or add new sources, one editor accuse me of. being a coi editor, and one editor make a threat of my being blocked if edits are made.

It’s difficult to work on a page(s) where there is clearly a vendetta to prevent article improvements, and a targeted campaign to delete/shame a series of articles by labeling them a non-notable wall garden created or heavily edited by a coi editor. Anybody not sharing that vision immediately becomes a target of harassment, and anyone adding quality independent sources becomes a target for bullying who gets accused of promoting the articles or having some sort of nefarious agenda or being grossly incompetent.

My experience on Wikipedia has taught me that drama tends to create an atmosphere of suspicion where any new editing gets unfairly viewed in a negative light even when it is clearly good intentioned. I’m just not up to working in that atmosphere. It’s unfortunate that coi editing has created a situation where certain articles are being viewed through a particular lens which may lead to an over-reaction in content and editorial decision making that ultimately does not benefit the articles in question.

Ideally cooler heads would prevail, and we could simply add better sourcing and remove problematic content without over trimming material that in any other circumstance would be routinely non-controversial. I just don’t have a thick enough skin to deal with the pushback and maintain my own well being. Not to mention fighting the temptation to fight back and be unkind in return is not something I want to put myself through. I am not a saint. I have so many article topics on my to do list, I will be happier working elsewhere.4meter4 (talk) 19:43, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I respect your decision. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:11, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ssilvers Feel free to refer to this conversation. It is somewhat of a double edged sword. Greg Henderson' community ban was after a protracted period, years, when he worked to create a plausible set of articles on non notable topics, and many need to go. However, some of his work was good, and that needs to be kept. Probably the good work needs editing for tone.

The challenge faced by editors wishing to find the plausible articles on non notable topics is that he did it very well. So some 'feel' notable when they are not.

The best judge is the community as a whole, not you, not 4meter4, certainly not me, and not others referred to but not named. Each of us will have opinions which we believe very strongly to be valid on this. We need to remain open to other opinions, potentially modifying our own.

To summarise, not all of Henderson's output was below standard; a great deal was way below standard; some was acceptable, but in need of editing.

Everyone should go to work with a will, including people we may disagree with. Because the area of Henderson's work has been found to be charged wth controversy everyone must work to the highest standards, criticising their own and others' work against the yardstick of policy. The work should include deletion processes and edits to verify notability

Know that I oppose unfairness in all forms, bullying especially. Provable instances of bullying should go to WP:ANI. BUT making such a report requires clean hands in the matter. WP:BOOMERANG is a real and wise thing. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, in the Radio City Music Hall article, you added that the world premier of Zador's opera Christopher Columbus was moved from the Music Hall to Center Theater due to strong ticket sales. This doesn't seem to make sense as written, as the seating capacity of the Music Hall (5,960) is much greater than was that of Center Theater (3,500). I don't have access to the source you cited. Could you recheck your source? Thank you. Joelkfla (talk) 23:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Joelkfla It states this in the liner notes of the opera recording by the National Symphony Orchestra. You can read it for free here: https://archive.org/details/cd_christopher-columbus-studies-for-orchestr_eugene-zador-westfalisches-sinfonieorchest/page/n3/mode/1up?q=%22Josefa+Chekova%22 If its a mistake, then the mistake was made the writer of the liner notes. Best.4meter4 (talk) 04:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I see it says that it was moved "to the larger Center Theatre," which is simply incorrect. The NY Times archive confirms that it was performed at the Center Theatre, but does not mention it being moved. I assume the liner notes author, or someone to whom he spoke, simply made a bad assumption, as the Center Theatre definitely was not larger than the Music Hall. Joelkfla (talk) 06:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, you can open the query to delete this article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Juglares_del_Dexas. since the article fails on WP:GNG --190.219.102.114 (talk) 15:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article has nothing relevant or notable, the references do not speak significantly about the topic, nor does it have understandable coverage of what it is trying to explain, one of those references is about the sale of a book. 190.219.102.114 (talk) 15:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree with that assessment.4meter4 (talk) 15:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @4meter4 would you review the deleted article Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kefas Brand (2nd nomination) for I think it is possible it was deleted based off emotion and little research about the topic. Thank you Idrisskunle (talk) 16:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand the ongoing AfD discussions are still open, so I'd figure I'd ask this to someone with some more music topic-area familiarity than me. I've been delving through some of the Starkid musicals recently to determine their notability, since many lack a lot of coverage at a glance. I've been looking at The Guy Who Didn't Like Musicals, though I'm still looking into if I can dig up any reviews for it. There's an awards section, but it's entirely from one website. What's the general consensus on something like this? Is this website, or websites similar to it, usually considered reliable for music related topics? How much notability do they confer with their awards? I want to double check this before I make any final assessment about the page notability-wise. Admittedly this has a bit of overlap with Wikipedia:WikiProject Theatre, but I figured I'd check with you first given I'm not sure whether something like this falls under music guidelines, Theatre guidelines, or some mix of both. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 05:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pokelego999 I'd suggest leaving a message at WP:WikiProject Musical Theatre and ask for input. Best.4meter4 (talk) 05:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4 ah, thank you. I had entirely forgotten about Wikipedia:WikiProject Musical Theatre's existence. I've left a comment with them and I'll see if I can get some help with that. I'd prefer to try improving that article first than nominating it for deletion straight away, so the help is greatly appreciated all the same.

As an aside, thank you for being patient with me thus far at the AfD. I'm still a bit new to the NMUSIC guidelines, so forgive me if I end up saying something by accident that comes across as completely ludicrous. I'm mostly working with my prior experience with notability plus what is literally being said in these guidelines, so I'm not in the loop if there's some usual standards in the music WikiProjects not outright stated in the guidelines, or if there's other guidelines beyond the ones listed at NMUSIC, that I am unaware of. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 06:07, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pokelego999 No problem. :-) Hope to see you around more. Best.4meter4 (talk) 06:10, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

	Thank you for your consistently helpful work at AfD, 4meter4; it is appreciated. Feel free to exchange for the beverage of your choice! Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 21:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think of this image? It is PD now. If you like it, would you kindly add it to the article? More 1927 images are on this page. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:35, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ssilvers I love these images, but I am pondering whether they are in fact PD. If they were published somewhere before 1929 then they are, but if they were not published the photographer would still have the rights plus 70 years after their death. If the photographer is not known and the work was unpublished they would be still copyrighted until they are 100 years old.

So... basically it comes down to these questions: 1. do we know whether these were published? If so where and when? If published before 1929 we can upload them. 2. If not, who was the photographer and when did they die? If 70 or more years ago we can upload them 3. If none of this is known we have to wait until we can use the pd-old template on commons which won't be until 2027 (or later because some of these are clearly later such as the 1929 film related images). Best.4meter4 (talk)

I appears to have been published in the Playbill, as it is also published on the Playbill website, here. So, I think it's clear enough that it was published in 1927. To be 100% sure, I guess one would have to go to a library that keeps old playbills, unless we can find it on ebay or somewhere. I don't think we should put film images next to the core info about the musical. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see what I can dig up on the images. I am fine with where you moved the film image. Best.4meter4 (talk) 20:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Of course, even if you are not comfortable uploading them as PD yet, they will become PD on January 1, 2028, after they turn 100. But I bet you will find that they were published in 1927. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:34, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This from NYPL says the photo was taken by White Studio (New York, NY.) See also this and this. Compare with the Playbill site. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ssilvers Thanks for that. Funnily enough, look what just popped up at AFD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gaylord Ravenal.4meter4 (talk) 04:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So sorry you were bullied off the pages having to do with Carmel's historic theatres. You were doing good work. Sorry to see the bullies win. ~smatprt Smatprt (talk) 15:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, many thanks for helping to clean up the Shakir Pichler page (sincerely appreciate your time) - however, I feel the removal of all the Bands, and releases plus the removal of all the feature films completely detracts the point of providing the most important information about him. Originally each film had a link to each films (official) IMDB link which credits him.. I was then told imdb is deemed unreliable (but there are exceptions) - The bands and album releases were linked to multiple external music catalogue sites or record label sites. Unfortunately I'm not a web designer like Shakir is and he won't touch the wiki page so I really need some help getting those 2 category lists back with links that wiki editors will accept. Just calling out in case you could possibly help in this respect. Im sure you are busy but wiping out all of that makes the page pretty much 'nothing'. Happy to remove all the extraneous text info on him though hand just list the achievements as I feel they really need to be there. Some schools have literally used his page for information on the arts but now there is nothing there. Thanks in advance for any help on this. :) Christine <3 Sexbeatrecords (talk) 22:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TY for the Lyncoya upload. Appreciate it. jengod (talk) 18:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jengod You are welcome. You might consider adding the cropped version of the photo to the article. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Your submission of Ettore Verna at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:07, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article survived the AfD. Would you kindly add the sources you found to the Gaylord Ravenal article? Also, in the article, would you please note the most important plot differences from the musical's script that affect Gaylord's character in the 3 film versions? They are not mentioned at all. For example, in the 1951 film, a much shorter period of time has gone by at the end when Ravenal returns to Magnolia and his young daughter. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @4meter4. Hope you are well. I don't think stubifying Shakir's wiki page has helped the case. I feel it's been more detrimental.  Would there be a way you could restore/reverse the data you removed but put it in drop/down sections similar to the 'further reading' section away from the 'bio' section where I think if I understand correctly, it is frowned upon, and links are under more scrutiny there? So "Discography" or "Music Releases". And "Filmography" which would include each films separate official imdb entry and wiki entry if available as inline links and you could then remove Shakir's personal IMDB page which is the one that seems as a rule 'easily faked' but the official ones are great regardless of wiki reference score regarding imdb in general, I feel they would easily adhere to the 'imdb sometimes has exceptions to the rule' which is stated in wiki references page due to the professional nature of the production companies and productions themselves.

Same with the music and video releases. The music videos are easily searchable on multiple sites as are the releases but obviously I don't want them to be linked anywhere to 'where to buy' (that is if any titles actually even available these days.. I've seen a few on European boutique stores and ebay but need to be careful as I do not want to be advertising any type of business or sale. I could do this but I'd really rather not deal with some of the aggression every time I try to fix something myself. I think the page will make more sense and people will see that it's not just a name stub but a huge career (2 careers) with massive contributions to Western Australia which is important to not lose. Thanks in advance. 157.211.98.194 (talk) 10:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect X. has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 4 § X. until a consensus is reached. GilaMonster536 (talk) 01:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GilaMonster536 Not sure why you notified me. I never edited at this page.4meter4 (talk) 01:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was just trying to ask people I thought might give their opinion. GilaMonster536 (talk) 02:56, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GilaMonster536 Just a friendly warning. You need to be careful when leaving messages on people's talk pages about a deletion discussion. We have rules about who can be notified at WP:APPNOTE. I don't meet any of the criteria listed there as I am not an involved editor, nor do I have any expertise. WP:INAPPNOTE states that notifying "users with no significant connection to the topic at hand" is spamming which is a forbidden behavior on wikipedia. It can get you blocked if you do it repeatedly. If you want people to participate, I suggest leaving a neutral message at a talk page or noticeboard of one or more WikiProjects that might be connected to the topic. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would be happy to have help with this draft. Happy Holidays! FloridaArmy (talk) 21:45, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not a huge deal, but {{AFD top}} should be placed above the header. Otherwise it can cause weird errors on the daily AFD log. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:25, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, in this edit to Clay M. Greene you used {{sfn|Sherwood|Chapman|1955|page=85}} as a reference. Unfortunately no work "Sherwood & Chapman 1955" is listed, so the reference cannot be looked up by anybody, and the article is placed in Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors. If you could supply the missing source it would be appreciated. DuncanHill (talk) 19:40, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could you lend a hand to get this declined draft to mainspace? Happy Holidays and all the nest for 2025! FloridaArmy (talk) 02:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FloridaArmy When I am done with Sloane I will take a look. Best.4meter4 (talk) 02:51, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

	Happy holidays!
	Wishing you a Merry Christmas filled with love and joy, a Happy Holiday season surrounded by warmth and laughter, and a New Year brimming with hope, happiness, and success! 🎄🎉✨ Baqi:) (talk) 11:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas from London ...

and may the New Year be a safe one, filled with peace and plenty.

Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 10:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

story · music · places

Thank you for your note! My second Christmas story is about a cantata, 300 years old, and the song on which it is based, 500 years old, and the hymn on wich that is based, 1,500 years old. One of the movements was inspired by a baby leaping in his mother's womb. Enjoy the season! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Z1720 (talk) 12:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

– 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 12:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

– 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 12:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. You added a ref to Ganzl's 2001 encyclopedia in The Gondoliers, but you didn't then specify which of the Ganzl refs in the article were to his 1986 book, and which are to the 2001 book. If they are all to the 1986 book, then the 2001 book should go under a "Further reading" heading rather than "References". Would you please fix this? -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:28, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ssilvers. Done. I found an unattributed quote in our article to Ganzl 2001. Additionally, several of the citations had footnotes mixed in which lack referencing. I sorted them and placed citation needed tags. Additionally, there is a quote cited to "Stedman" but no source gives an author with that last name. I left a note on the article talk page. Best.4meter4 (talk) 20:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just in case you did not see, I have requested that, per WP:CITEVAR you do not change the formatting of the G&S project-bannered articles to sfn. The project uses a manual citation style (except for the long book cites). -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

— Masem (t) 13:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Anonymous 23:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Works set on the Moon has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also nom'ed the Mars category I just created few days ago. See Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_discussion#Works/Fiction_by_setting_(space) for broader consideration. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC) [reply]

story · music · places

Thank you for this, in collaboration, for moving the Welsh composer to article space, for the foundation of the operetta ...! - Liebster Immanuel, Herzog der Frommen, BWV 123, my story today 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. Dada Masilo will be my story tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My story today is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. - Did you see Masilo talking and dancing? - The operetta is planned for next week. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:26, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

... and today, pictured on the Main page, Tosca, in memory of her first appearance on stage OTD in 1900, and of principal author Brian Boulton. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:16, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Today, between many who just died, Tobias Kratzer on his 45th birthday who was good for an unusual DYK mentioning a Verdi opera in 2018, - you can see his work in the trailer of another one that I saw, and my talk page has a third (but by a different director). 2025 pics, finally. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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RoySmith (talk) 12:02, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you were Gen Z, I could almost understand your nomination of Abner Louima, but that's impossible. The fact that we're even debating this issue is potentially embarrassing to the Foundation. I'm officially slapping you with a trout. Happiest new year. Bearian (talk) 06:12, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Bearian Ha ha. I probably should have taken it to move requests instead which would have been the better process with this particular subject/issue. Happy new year to you as well.4meter4 (talk) 06:18, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FYI I was in middle school when this event happened so… not the kind of thing on my radar. Never heard of him until this week.4meter4 (talk) 06:21, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This version of the List of people from Brooklyn had about 600 notables and 140 sources or just under 25% of the entries. The current version, since you started adding entries, has 665 more notables, but only about a dozen sources have been added or less than 2% of the additions. If you know the people are from Brooklyn, why not add the source with each and every entry to make the information verifiable? Alansohn (talk) 14:03, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alansohn On my to do list. I’m currently going through Category:People from Brooklyn and adding them to the page if they are missing. Once I gather all the people I am going to work on fact checking and sourcing the list one by one. That includes sourcing the people I did not add. Just give me time to work through my process in the way that organizationally works for me.4meter4 (talk) 14:17, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. When entries are added one-by-one I'm often happy to add the sources myself, but that's hard to do with hundreds of additions. As long as you're on it, I'll be more patient. Alansohn (talk) 14:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_9#Category:Works, given our recent discussion on related topics. Feel free to disagree with me, of course. Seems like I am a lonely voice there again. (But at the very least, why nobody wants to standardize the naming of creative works and works...? It's confusing...). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:04, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Historians from Brooklyn has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Bearcat (talk) 16:12, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The city-level category must exist first, with borough-level categories coming second. Even if you've got a "months-long" project under way, you still have to organize that project in the correct order. (Also, you can't leave a redlinked city-level category sitting there as an uncreated parent of the borough-level category either, because if a redlinked category hits Special:WantedCategories I have to make it go away.) Bearcat (talk) 16:24, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bearcat That's WP:POINTY Bearcat and you know it. You could have easily lent a hand and built up the category structure yourself rather than interrupt a productive encyclopedia project with an end outcome that is leading to that. You could have created that parent cat yourself and helped populate it rather than taking it to CFD. We have hundreds of articles on historians from NYC and already have a cat structure by occupation per bureau.4meter4 (talk) 16:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The current run of Special:WantedCategories had 216 redlinks on it — meaning I don't have the time to wander around Wikipedia figuring out whether each individual redlink is creatable or not and where it would belong in the category tree and what else would belong in it and all of that. If I spend five minutes on each category, thus getting through the list at a rate of just 12 categories per hour, then it would take me 18 hours to clean up the entire list, and if I spend ten minutes on each category, thus getting through the list at a rate of just six categories per hour, then it would take me 36 hours to clean up the entire list. But that's an excessive time burden that other people are not entitled to put on my plate.
Because I have hundreds of redlinked categories to clean up each time the redlinked category report runs, I'd have to make it my permanent full-time job to just clean up redlinked categories, leaving me with no time left to do anything else, if I had to spend five or ten minutes on each redlink instead of five or ten seconds. So if you want a category to exist, then it's your job to create that category yourself, not my job to volunteer to create it for you — because if you get to demand that of me, then so does everybody else, and then I'm spending 36 hours on that job when it's not my responsibility to spend 36 hours on that job. Bearcat (talk) 16:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bearcat Wikipedia is WP:NOTCOMPULSORY. Nobody is demanding you do anything. But you should ask other editors what their plan is before going to CFD if they are in the middle of creating and populating categories. Undoing other people's work in the middle of construction is not kind. Supporting them and giving them time to complete their work is. That's WP:AGF. Being a good team player is really all that is required. If you had talked to me about it first you probably wouldn't have charged into a CFD. When problems are solvable through editing going the deletion route is often frowned upon, and when its a cat populating issue (and people are actively working on populating) we generally don't like to see those come up at CFD. Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:59, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Taking the time to ask the creator of a redlinked category if they have "plans" or not is also a thing that if I do for you, then I have to do it for everybody else too, thus requiring me to invest five to ten minutes into each individual redlink and turning it into an 18 to 36 hour job. So, again, that's not a thing that I have a responsibility to do, and not a thing that makes me "uncollaborative" for not taking extra time to do.
You say that nobody is demanding I do anything, and yet you're literally demanding right now that I take extra steps that would turn redlinked category cleanup into a 36 hour job? Bearcat (talk) 17:08, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bearcat No. I'm asking you to do the bare minimum of what's required when working in a community to get along well with others. I would think supporting people in their work would be part of that.4meter4 (talk) 17:14, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, you're asking me to do things that would turn cleaning up redlinked categories it into an 18 to 36 hour job.
Sure, from your perspective where you only saw the one redlinked category that crossed your plate, it doesn't seem like that big of a burden to demand that I either create the category for you or take time to ask if you have "plans" or not — but as a person who has to deal with a cleanup report loaded with 216 redlinked categories, if I take those steps for you then I also have to take those same steps for every other one of those 216 redlinks. Which means I have to invest 18 to 36 hours into the job, because I can only get through between six and twelve redlinks per hour if I spend five to ten minutes putting extended research or solitication into each individual redlink.
So no, it isn't my responsibility to go around creating all the redlinks, it isn't my responsibility to go around asking the creator of each individual redlink whether it was an accident or a "plan", and it isn't my responsibility to take any accusations that not volunteering to spend 18 to 36 hours on redlinked category cleanup makes me "uncollaborative" in any way. Bearcat (talk) 17:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. It's not how I would choose to interact with other people when they are in the middle of a project that is improving the encyclopedia.4meter4 (talk) 17:32, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for your honesty. Bearian (talk) 16:40, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a way to include the subject? FloridaArmy (talk) 20:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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And the answer is... Adrian Ross! Check him out. He was instrumental in the development of Edwardian musical comedy (and the revival of operetta before WWI), whereas Grey was a contributor to the genre at the end of its life-cycle. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:39, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ssilvers Thanks for the reading suggestion. I'm not familiar with Ross.4meter4 (talk) 14:08, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ganzl is clear that the London production opened *before* the original production came to Broadway, and that is when the song (and several others) were interpolated or added. Hayden Coffin played Robin in London and sang the song in Act III. After the B'way production opened, the song was, of course, assigned to Alan-a-Dale in Act II. But I am guessing that the later scores and productions restore it to the wedding scene in Act III. -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:18, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ssilvers I agree with that assessment. Best.4meter4 (talk) 06:22, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide sources for your position that the artform is spelled 'theatre' in both American and British English? I can't find anything to that effect. For example, not sure how authoritative it is but this site says "Both spellings mean the same thing: a building, area, or structure used to stage a play or film, or the production itself presented within." If anything, I would think it would be the opposite of what you said, given how many venues use the "Theatre" spelling in their names. –CWenger (^ • @) 04:58, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@CWenger When I studied theatre in college (I'm American and studied in the United States) this was the distinction used in our text book, and the one that was taught by faculty. The Art Times Journal acknowledges this, although one can not claim that its "standard" as the spelling of theater/theatre has always been inconsistent/interchangeable. All I can say is that today most professional theatre people in America use the spelling theatre to refer to the artform and the spelling theater to refer to a physical structure. All the major theatre arts organizations use the spelling theatre, for example, the American Theatre Wing uses "theatre" as its spelling, and so does American Theatre magazine. Theatre is the standard spelling used in journals in the United States to refer to the art form (such as Theatre Journal). Generally one only sees the "theater" spelling in the context of buildings in academic writing in the performing arts. However, there will always be exceptions/outliers because the spelling has never been consistent in the United States. Best.4meter4 (talk) 05:15, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I find today's birthday child particularly inspiring, by enthusiasm and determination. That was - believe it or not - a pictured DYK in 2021, without the last line though. - Can you perhaps help with sourcing and expanding Paul Plishka? One of the former editors reverted my sourcing of recordings to Salazar, without providing anything better. It smells a bit like copyvio, and has not a single review so far ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Plishka was done, on the Main page until this morning, yesterday we had Hans-Peter Lehmann, a great opera manager and director (I took the pic of the opera house in the article), and today we have Edith Mathis. Can you perhaps write a bit about her voice? I'm lacking the words. Reference Kesting (FAZ) goes into detail. The only English obit, from Deutsche Oper Berlin, is less to the point of her personal quality. Any other help with the article is also welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the memory of Brian Boulton! I have his name on my talk page whenever I remember someone who died. I have him listed, with the same image you used, in the list of people to be remembered. I have his essay linked on my user page, where it will stay until the conflict about a little tool of accessibility is settled. Please visit his talk page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:06, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I came across this term and started a draft on it. I am not sure how to handle it on Wikipedia. Should it be a link to Wiltionary? The draft I started is at Draft:Endmen. The term is used in various entries see [3]. FloridaArmy (talk) 12:27, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@FloridaArmy "Endmen" is a term specific to the minstrel show and refers to the comic duo that would be positioned at the ends of the semi-circle construction on the minstrel show stage. They typically personified the minstrel tropes/stock characters of Jim Crow and Jim Dandy (currently lack an article on this minstrel character). See the minstrel show entries in these books: [4], [5] This might be better covered in the minstrel show page rather than as a stand alone article. Best.4meter4 (talk) 13:58, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seems reasonable. Thanks! That minstrel show entry states that Jim Dandy is the same as Zip Coon (in the Characters section)? Zip Coon redirects to a section of the song article for Turkey in the Straw. FloridaArmy (talk) 14:56, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This German playwright seems pretty important. Augustin Daly and others appear to have adapted his work including into Daly's successful Draft:The Big Bonanza (show). FloridaArmy (talk) 16:57, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FloridaArmy I'll take a look at it at a later date. I'm currently working on completing the table at List of plays adapted into feature films which right now is missing a lot of the play information. It's a very big project that will probably take me a long time to complete. Once I am done with that I can move back to article writing. Best.4meter4 (talk) 17:00, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello @4meter4 I’d request you review this page Kefas Brand it has been norminated for deletion. Kindly leave a review. According to me I think it should be kept rather but could be because I created the page. Kindly review and vote

thanks 伊丽莎白大声 (talk) 14:53, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Please stop "fixing" redirects, e.g. Cort Theatre to James Earl Jones Theatre. See WP:NOTBROKEN: "It is almost never helpful to replace [[Redirect]] with [[Target|Redirect]]." — Chrisahn (talk) 23:14, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Chrisahn I wasn't fixing redirects. Cort Theatre was a disambiguation page until a few minutes ago. Someone else just moved Cort Theatre to Cort Theatre (disambiguation) a few minutes ago without telling me.4meter4 (talk) 23:15, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see. I'll stop reverting your edits. I think you should revert them though, unless Cort Theatre is converted back to a disambiguation page. Maybe a rollbacker can help with this annoying work. — Chrisahn (talk) 23:30, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ya, I wish that editor had left me a message so I hadn't made so many fruitless changes in those interim minutes. I don't really see those changes as a problem though. The text still reads Cort Theatre in the articles, and it is still going to the correct page. To me there doesn't seem to be a great need to revert back to an older version given there isn't really any harm done, and there isn't a future article creation issue at play. I'm also not sure about a primary topic as there are other Cort Theatres besides the ones in Chicago and New York. It may be the dab page gets moved back at some point. Best.4meter4 (talk) 23:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense. Happy editing! — Chrisahn (talk) 23:49, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for another interesting opera person! - Today, 300 years of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1! - We sang works for (mostly) double choir by Pachelbel, Johann Christoph Bach, Kuhnau/Bach, Gounod and Rheinberger! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I made one of your subjects my story today, on her birthday. 2010 ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Please populate your categories. You're making a lot of Redundant category layers right now. ^SMason_Garrison 02:59, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Smasongarrison Consider assisting in building out the category structures and populating them rather than going to WP:CFD. I only created the category structure as a mirror of other occupations. It's better to build than tear down.4meter4 (talk) 03:01, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you take a look at my edit history before saying that I'm not helping. For the record, mirroring other occupations is not a reason to create categories. We only keep categories that are presently helpful for navigation. ^SMason_Garrison 03:06, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Smasongarrison I didn't say you weren't helping, only that I don't see this particular CFD nomination as helpful. You could have picked another country and started populating historian cats by location for that nation which is ultimately where we will most likely go in time.4meter4 (talk) 03:14, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be happy for you to make it irrelanvant by creating more categories that you populate. But it isn't helpful to have redundant categories. ^SMason_Garrison 03:16, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Smasongarrison I would given time, but I have projects I am committed to at present. At some point I probably will, at which point the category structure will have to be built out again which is frustrating. Hence why I don't see this particular CFD nomination as helpful. 4meter4 (talk) 03:20, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that you'll get to it and that the policy is frustrating. But the consensus is that the redundant categories are easy to rebuild. The norm for categorization is that categories shouldn't exist until they are actively needed. Like if you made two categories that's usually sufficient to keep it open. ^SMason_Garrison 03:26, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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My story today is about an opera singer born OTD in 1870. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:52, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Check out my talk: for a great woman's Johannes-Passion (listen!), our music in detail, and three people who recently died and are on the main page (where she isn't). My call for collaboration has the first "no". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:02, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My story is about music that Bach and Picander gave the world 300 years (and 19 days) ago, - listen (on the conductor's birthday) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I finally managed to upload the pics I meant for Easter, see places. - Also finally, I managed a FAC, Easter Oratorio. I wanted that on the main page for Easter Sunday, but no, twice. You are invited to join a discussion about what "On this day" means, day or date. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:07, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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 You are invited to join the discussion at Template:Did you know nominations/Easter Oratorio. Requesting for a new opinion regarding Christoph Wolff's claims, and whether or not these claims are still relevant or correct, or if they've since been debunked. This is only a request regarding that specific issue, this is not a request for a review or for a new hook proposal. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:16, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello 4meter4. If you do not mind, is it okay if you propose a hook or a few for this nomination? This is only a request for new hooks rather than for a review. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:31, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Could you tell me, User:Narutolovehinata5, what you find "wrong" with a cantata hook about a hymn so famous in English that its article - one of few - comes under an English title? ... the song of the Reformation? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:14, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really an expert when it comes to hymns, but is it really that famous in English? I'm a Catholic rather than Protestant so I'm personally unfamiliar with that specific hymn and how well known it is, so perhaps 4meter4 can explain to me. Personally at least, the hook has the usual issues: it's complicated and includes too many details, and the hook doesn't seem that interesting unless you're an expert on classical music or religious hymns. Another issue is that the hook calls his hymn "famous", a term that is not used anywhere in BWV 80's article. I should make it clear: I'm not necessarily against this specific hook fact, it's more of an issue of wording/clarity/interest, and it could probably work better as a more concise and less confusing hook. I see that the article is a Good Article so maybe another angle is possible, although my own reading of the article didn't give me any ideas, hence why I was asking 4meter4 (a fellow classical music expert) for suggestions instead. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:35, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The famousness is not mentioned in the article about the cantata because it is so famous. There is a pipe because we can't use the English hymn name, of course, because it's not based on a hymn in English, of course. Better ideas always welcome. I tried to have the hymn in German, like 95% of other German hymns. The answer was - in a nutshell - that it's too familiar in English to have it in German. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(From the article on the hymn, Reception:) "Heinrich Heine wrote in his 1834 essay Zur Geschichte der Religion und Philosophie in Deutschland, a history of emancipation in Germany beginning with the Reformation, that Ein feste Burg was the Marseillaise of the Reformation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:49, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5 In future please ping me at the DYK discussion itself when making future requests for hook proposals. I don't mind helping out but I think its better to keep conversations related to a particular DYK at that DYK.

@Gerda Arendt I personally have never heard of this particular cantata. It may well be well known in Germany, and I am certain that those steeped in Bach performance would know it but I personally have never performed it, heard it performed, or even heard a recording. I looked it up on YouTube and the music is completely new to me. I've also worked as a paid vocalist at a Lutheran church in America where we performed Bach cantatas periodically so I have some experience in the literature, and I frequently attend Bach concerts in my area (right now I am in Pennsylvania and regularly attend the monthly cantata performances by the Bach Choir of Bethlehem). Other than in the Lutheran Church, Reformation Day is ignored/unobserved in American churches. I personally wouldn't consider this a well known work familiar to most people. It's definitely obscure to people in the United States.

Bach wrote many cantatas, of which I would say only BMV 1, BMV 61, BMV 82, BMV 103, BMV 140, and BMV 159 may be recognizable to a wider group of people. Even then it's only a limited group, and many wouldn't know the name of the cantata but only recognize the melody as familiar. The average person outside Germany who isn't from a Lutheran background probably would not be able to name a single cantata by Bach. Only 2% of Americans are Lutheran so that is a pretty tiny percentage of the population. For DYK purposes I wouldn't consider any of Bach's cantatas as generally recognizable by name to the wider global public. If this were the German language wikipedia it would be a different matter, but to an English speaking audience the majority of readers will be entirely new to the Bach cantata repertoire.

In general, Americans are pretty ignorant of Bach's cantatas. They typically only get performed by Bach choral groups, early performance ensembles, and occasionally by university choruses. Some Lutheran churches may perform them if they have a strong enough music program at the church, but many Lutheran churches in America don't have the resources to do so, or have moved towards contemporary worship music and no longer perform classical works. Other Christian denominations don't often perform Bach. It really just depends on the church. I've worked as a paid church musician for over 20 years now for a variety of denominations (Lutheran, Presbyterian, Episcopal, Baptist, Roman Catholic, etc.), and only touched the Bach cantata rep in the Lutheran church. The other denominations have their own canon of liturgical music, and don't typically perform it. Some church choirs with a classical bent do perform larger masterworks a couple times a years, and Bach's music does sometimes get picked for these, but in my experience the larger oratorios are more likely to be picked for this kind of event among American church choirs. The opportunity for exposure to Bach cantatas is relatively limited, and the typical American probably has never attended a Bach cantata performance if they are not Lutheran.

I myself experienced my first Bach cantata after getting hired as a church musician at a Lutheran Church at the age of 22. I never touched the Bach cantata repertoire in college in both undergraduate and graduate studies other than a couple of solo arias I learned in voice lessons. Our university choruses did perform Bach, but they were the larger liturgical compositions like Magnificat and the St Matthew Passion. I have multiple music degrees and never studied a single Bach cantata in any of my coursework beyond maybe some music theory analysis and some excerpts in music history coursework. It would be very easy for even an educated musician in the United States to have limited familiarity with Bach cantatas as it is considered a specialized rep and the opportunity to attend cantata performances may be limited to non-existent depending on where one lives. The interest in this rep is also culturally dependent and the average American isn't typically drawn to German language liturgical music. That isn't to say that Bach concerts in America aren't well attended. They are, but they tend to focus more on the oratorio and instrumental repertoire and they draw the same limited audience; many of whom are from German American backgrounds or are classical music enthusiasts. It's a niche area of interest. My guess is that maybe only 3 in 100 Americans could give you the name of a single Bach cantata if asked to do so. All of this to say, in my opinion there are no famous Bach cantatas when addressing an American audience. I can't speak to the UK audience, but my guess is it would be similar as Bach's music is not utilized much in the Anglican Church liturgical canon.4meter4 (talk) 18:35, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is all interesting, and matches an essay I just received, about the Bach cantatas being foreign country for people from other languages especially because of the specific (longing-for-death) theology that dominated Leipzig services at Bach's time, while the Passions, per their drama and emotions, are able to raise some interest. I had hoped to put the essay as a reference into related articles, but instead I struggle with DYK. For this particular cantata nom, I still believe that the hymn is famous. I may add some about this to the article (which wasn't written by me but mostly by Nikkimaria). - I happen to sing in a Catholic church choir which has a program of Bach cantatas from time to time (last year Bleib bei uns, denn es will Abend werden, BWV 6, Du Hirte Israel, höre, BWV 104, and the Ascension Oratorio) but would not do any Handel oratorio besides Messiah because of the "foreign" Baroque plots and the language barrier. But the Mass in B minor. I heard a performance of Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott, BWV 80, on Reformation Day in 2017, celebrating 500 years of the Reformation (and my sister's birthday, performed where she lives). The concert also featured a mass by Zelenka, for ecumenism ;) - The cantata is much more introverted than one might think knowing that the hymn is regarded as the battle song of the Reformation, and is a highly unusual chorale cantata, not in the format of the 1724 cycle, and possibly not even performed that year. But such aspects are not for simplistic DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the response 4meter4. I'll ping you on the nomination page and ask if you could propose something. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:46, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is regarding Gerda's comment about Picander's involvement in the 1725 work, so requesting a second opinion on that. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:16, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Would you be willing to help woth this declined draft submission? FloridaArmy (talk) 09:51, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, following a 2024 AfD discussion that closed as "redirect", Teresa Harding has been recreated and has been renominated for a redirect. The discussion is taking place here. I am notifying all participants in the earlier discussion. Thanks! Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:45, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

when you were removing the cold claim you accidently added the incorrect information about the CPU tires in the ingredients list on so I have fixed it for you. All the countries listed have a tendency to use those ingredients depending on the recipe Sharnadd (talk) 07:23, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for "him", and for having created Jadwiga Rappé! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:05, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the excellent work on creating the article Academy of Music (Atlantic City, New Jersey). It is an impressive piece of work, and fills a long-needed gap in American theatre history. Saratoga Sam (talk) 14:34, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Saratoga Sam Thanks for the kind words. I am considering creating a separate article that is much more detailed on the Apollo Theatre. There is much that could be written on the many plays, operettas, and musicals that premiered there. If you have time, I could use some help linking the many plays and musicals that premiered at the Apollo to the page. Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:07, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4 Sure, I've already started on it. Saratoga Sam (talk) 17:51, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GTG except needs second QPQ review due to backlog mode, I believe. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:58, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm trying to perform the merge in accordance with the the AfD result but I'm not seeing anything useful to merge. The sentence sourced to the interview is already included in the Mackenzie Calhoun article. Additionally, there are two ambiguous primary references. What specific content did you want to merge in the main article? Mika1h (talk) 11:20, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I probably should have posted this originally on the Talk:Star Trek: New Frontier but the other editor who advocated for a merge (Daranios) responded at User talk:Daranios#List of Star Trek: New Frontier characters, so if you have a comment could you post it there, thanks. --Mika1h (talk) 17:04, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Clio Award winners has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:36, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings! I hope all is well with you. Would you be willing to help with this declined draft? FloridaArmy (talk) 08:50, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. I'm wrong. I did some additional research and found articles references Wilberforce University as early as 1857.Billmckern (talk) 00:50, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Billmckern It's understandable. For some reason Wilberforce College occasionally crops up in newspaper articles and books which aren't directly about the school but are about graduates or other people connected to it. Any coverage of the institution itself usually gets the name right. Errors sadly also get repeated once they get printed. Thanks for double checking.4meter4 (talk) 00:55, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Adam Cuerden has nominated J. K. Rowling for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:30, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for taking care of Leontyne Price's article! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While you are of course invited to check out my recommendations any day, today offers unusually a great writer of novels, music with light and a place with exquisite food. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Z1720 (talk) 12:04, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 You are invited to join the discussion at Template:Did you know nominations/Klaus König. The nominator is requesting for your input in the nomination. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 21:42, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your input at Template:Did you know nominations/Vladyslav Gorai is also appreciated, as you were pinged there and there is currently a lack of clarity regarding the subject's death that may require help regarding sourcing and article expansion. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:24, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you see any other sources, reviews, credits, etc., please feel free to add them. Also, if you want to nominate it for DYK, the hook could be something about breaking the glass ceiling, citing Playbill.... -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:34, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ssilvers I'll dig around the NYT archive and the internet archive and see if I can find some more materials. Feeling a little down about DYK at the moment after Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Prep 4 (6 July)#Broadway Jones (performer) (nom). Apparently "Ol' Man River" is too obscure of a reference point... See also Talk:Broadway Jones (performer).4meter4 (talk) 19:16, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. As for Broadway Jones, I suggest that next time an objection like this comes up, you ask for back-up at the WP:MUSICALS talk page. I would have argued that the song was significant to mention and given them the choice of a similar hook like "DYK that Jerome Kern's "Old Man River", from Show Boat was written for Broadway Jones, but he refused the role." That gives more context for its importance. I'd have argued that "Old Man River" is an important piece of Americana and musical history that has been the subject of books and inspired songs by artists as far away as India, has been covered by Crosby and Sinatra, and recordings were inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame and ranked in AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs. In any case, please don't be discouranged -- you are certainly successful more often than not. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:53, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion. I was worried of being accused of WP:CANVASSING. It's always difficult knowing how to approach a wikiproject for backup when in a dispute for that reason. Best.4meter4 (talk) 19:57, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt a neutrally-worded message there would be considered canvassing, as long as you simply said that there was a discussion about "a DYK hook" for Broadway Jones, didn't express a point of view, and let people visit the discussion to make up their own minds. People are often accused of canvassing, but it is like being accused of WP:OWN: you can just say "no, I was merely inviting people from a subject area Wikiproject who are likely to be knowledgeable about the subject." -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:12, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[left]. Helm was the replacement as Music Director for Stanley Lebowsky, the original MD of Me and My Girl. -- he started out as associate. Not sure when Lebowsky left. Anderson is listed as assistant conductor from the beginning of the run, so she actually assisted Lebowsky at first. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:02, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ssilvers Thanks for the clarification. I'll let you adjust as needed to the Me and My Girl article. I knocked off a quick article on Tom Helm (conductor) based on what I found in PROQUEST. I'll dig around more tomorrow.4meter4 (talk) 03:11, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Z1720 (talk) 00:03, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings. I am having a great deal of trouble getting this songwriter accepted to mainspace. If you can help I will be immensely thankful. Happy summer. FloridaArmy (talk) 13:15, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in the weed on this father-son? musician / composer subject. FloridaArmy (talk) 23:39, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see you want me to hold off. OK. I'll step away for a couple of hours. You should not keep repeating premiere and original. Saying it once is more than adequate. Premere is an overused marketing/newspaper word to try to get readers to read the story/ad. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:23, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ssilvers I'll leave it to you to trim anything you perceive as extraneous or not needed. I trust your editorial eye. I am going to be taking a break for the next hour and then will be back to do more. Best.4meter4 (talk) 23:35, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

—Ganesha811 (talk) 00:03, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 4meter4! I've created a discussion on the material you added regarding House of Dracula and its music on its talk page (Talk:House_of_Dracula#Music_credit_in_the_infobox). Let's figure it out together! :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:25, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there 4meter4. I was just wondering if you could see if there's more information about Hagen out there that could be added to her article. Maybe sources that talk about her early life or personal life. Does such information exist out there, or does the article mention all that there is? If material exists out there, would you be okay with expanding the article with it? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:52, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5 She’s too young to have made it into reference works or academic publications. The best references are likely in recent German or Austrian newspapers and magazines. Gerda would be in the best position to read and locate those. I’m not particularly interested in writing on emerging cellists; particularly ones requiring access to German language publications that are often behind paywalls. I prefer to work on 19th and 20th century performers. The few contemporary artists I do write on are ones where I know good materials exist in accessible places to me. 4meter4 (talk) 22:58, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see. I was asking because she was quite upset about how the nomination turned out, and I was telling her that I was open to the nomination being reopened if "hooky" information about her could be found and her article was expanded. As it stands though, given how she said she did not want to include "private" information and she respected individual privacy, that seems unfeasible at this stage. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:45, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5 I admire your diligence at DYK review. Here are a few interviews: [6], [7], [8]. Perhaps the most interesting thing that could be said in a hook is that she never studied cello with her father who is a famous cellist (see last source). She has won top prizes as a cellist at competition and has fairly significant concert career at present. It is somewhat surprising that the family gift was not passed down from father to daughter (other than genetically). Not sure how to fit that concept into a hook. Feel free to pursue this if you want, but I am going to remain uninvolved. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:38, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Unfortunately, her father does not have an article on the English Wikipedia as of right now. Given how she would probably decline any angle that has to do with her family, or maybe anything that has not to do with Arte, it might be for the best for it to remain closed.

I do have one last question though. Is her being featured on Arte as big of a deal as Gerda says it is? I imagine most of our readers have never even heard of Arte, let know if it's important or not, but as you are in the classical music business, I was wondering what you think of Arte, Hagen performing there, or really performing there in general. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:01, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5 Her recital was filmed for television broadcast on Arte. Arte is an EU equivalent to PBS in America or the BBC Four in the UK; it's free government funded TV. Not many classical instrumentalists get a recital filmed for TV broadcast, so yes I would say it is a significant achievement. Only artists at the very top of their profession get chosen for that kind of attention. That said, readers outside of certain parts of Europe are likely unfamiliar with Arte which is broadcast (in six different languages) only in Germany, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Monaco, Austria, Tunisia, and Switzerland. On the German wikipedia it would certainly read to its audience like it is a big deal because the countries with significant German speaking populations all broadcast Arte to the public. On the English wikipedia not so much, because our readers won't have the same background knowledge. I don't think that fact works for our purposes. Best.4meter4 (talk) 14:55, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I read some of it, and it is appallingly written -- the equivalent of People magazine, at best. I'm not objecting to citing it, but I wouldn't go out of my way to do so. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:30, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ssilvers I agree. However, I have actually caught several factual errors because it had the right information (confirmed to newspaper archives) over bad content in more professionally wirtten sources that contained errata. So... It's better than nothing, and often better than what our articles are currently saying about some of these people. (some making claims that they had their stage debuts much later than when they actually started performing for example because their obituaries had poorly written career summaries containing errors). Best.4meter4 (talk) 21:40, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Obituaries are often not the most accurate sources, as they are prepared in some haste and may not reflect thorough research and considered, objective conclusions. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:16, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, 4meter4,

I happen past your User talk page and noticed that you have almost 300 discussion threads here. Any chance I could persuade you to archive the older messages and notifications from years ago? It would make navigating this page easier, especially for editors who are using mobile devices which might crash when they try to load this page. Just a suggestion. Happy editing! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:31, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Z1720 (talk) 00:03, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 4meter4, would you be so kind and do the merger? You were one of the editors who recommended merging, and I don't believe I possess the necessary skills to perform it myself. I thank you in advance for your help. Regards, MattSucci (talk) 23:28, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@MattSucci: I took care of it.4meter4 (talk) 23:38, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. MattSucci (talk) 23:44, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there! I was just wondering if you could take a look at the article and the person and see if anything more can be found about him in reliable sources, particularly with regards to his personal life and career. It has been nominated for DYK, but this is not a request for you to participate in the nomination, but rather if there is anything possibly usable in the article, or if not, if anything else can be said about him or can be elaborated on. As such, please respond here instead of at the nomination page. Thanks! Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:04, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, maybe you would be so kind as to leave your thoughts at this AFD, if you have time. Regards, MattSucci (talk) 14:36, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so so much - it's been a such a great joy of my last few years to have discovered the incredible Ms Price. No Swan So Fine (talk) 14:43, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@No Swan So Fine You are so welcome. I myself have only dug in to her records this last year. I had watched YouTube clips of her Leonora and Aida performances previously, but hadn't delved into her recordings until a few months ago. She has brought me a lot of joy too. What a great person and what a voice! If you want to hear her talk about her life and carer this is a fantastic lengthy interview with the editor of Opera News.4meter4 (talk) 14:51, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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A soprano pictured on DYK, a soprano and a composer and a bassoonist on RD, and a composer with the pic of the day: a good day for classical music! - that is thanks to you because the pic of her face crowns it all. Thank you for the articles (bio and discography) and for the link to the interview. - If you follow to my story, there's a link made in memory of the other soprano. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:56, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda Arendt Thank you so much Gerda. And thank you for the copy editing and help at DYK. It is much appreciated.4meter4 (talk) 16:39, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, and good stats also ;) - I enjoy a DYK that also pictures a person together with achievements in art, - such a thing seems possible again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:50, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can I interest you in my 100th biography to the Main page in 2025, Siegmund Nimsgern? - I debate with myself to try GA for him. Would you have a hook idea? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:38, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:02, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Can you point me to the policy or guideline that forbids putting speedy deletion tags on articles while they are nominated for AfD? I have done this quite a few times previously and the articles have been speedily deleted; you're the first to object. And when I placed the speedy deletion tag, the AfD notice was still there, just below the speedy tag [9] Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 12:57, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @SunloungerFrog As long as the template doesn't make the AFD notice disappear I think its fine. Best.4meter4 (talk) 13:01, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Right, and it didn't. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lewis_Blake&direction=prev&oldid=1311693202 has the AfD notice underneath the speedy deletion notice, at least for me. It didn't disappear. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 13:04, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted my edit. Best.4meter4 (talk) 13:07, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have to be honest and disagree: Habst's behaviour does approach bludgeoning/IDHT. It is simply bludgeoning with the same failing arguments across a large number of AFDs rather than at length in a few. This is similar to the behaviour that they already accepted needed to change when it was brought up at ANI. I accept that I should keep my cool and AGF. FOARP (talk) 15:59, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@FOARP I can't comment on behavior outside of this one AFD. All I can say is that there were no problems in this discussion. Here are the comments Habst made at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dušan Vujačić prior to you going off on Habst:

• 1. What part of WP:RDEL justifies deleting a redirect for squatting a name-space of a namesake? For what it's worth, I don't see any evidence that the Serbian guerrilla fighter is more notable than the athlete.

• 2. Can you post a source analysis table? There's a language barrier here but I am seeing SIGCOV in the provided sources.

Thats it. Just two comments. And neither repetitive. One was questioning the rationale for not following an WP:ATD (which I can understand although I don't care either way whether its deleted or redirected), and the other was making a keep argument and asking delete voters to do a source analysis. Both were within the bounds of expressing different and pertinent opinions to a close. Neither was badgering and both statements were on topic and were expressing an original opinion for the first time. In no way could either comment be viewed as BLUDGEONING because Habst was not repeating an argument they made earlier.

If an admin were to look at this they probably would take your attack as an attempt to prevent another editor from participating and expressing an original opinion for the first time. That would not be good for you. I'll repeat what I said before, Try not to carry over past problems with an editor into new situations if you can. I think your past conflict has caused you to interpret comments unfairly in this context. That doesn't mean you don't have good reasons to be annoyed and/or concerned, but try and watch the BLUDGEONING accusations until you start seeing repeated arguments and combative comments made after multiple editors which is generally how BLUDGEONING is described/defined. Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:18, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there,

Thanks for your participation with the AfD regarding a legacy fantasy article
Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/New_Orleans_Squadron

The goings on at this time are worthy of being documented properly, rather than making stuff up. To this end, I've created the following article. New Orleans station (US Navy)
I had no idea that it was effectively superseded by a new facility at Pensacola.Keith H99 (talk) 18:36, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @Keith H99: Good work! That is so much better than what we had before. You should take it to WP:DYK.4meter4 (talk) 19:35, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for the tip, the article still needs improving.

  As for the other article

  Afterward, new ships were stationed at New Orleans which engaged in counter-piracy operations for over twenty years. The New Orleans Squadron was eventually merged with the Home Squadron.

  This is pure fantasy, and in my opinion, very disrespectful to those men based in Pensacola that succeeded in eradicating piracy.Keith H99 (talk) 01:29, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 You are invited to join the discussion at Template:Did you know nominations/Matthew Vickers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:52, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please help with this draft? FloridaArmy (talk) 11:19, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also Keysheet is a subject that seems to be missing. I do see an entry for Key set. Is it the same as a contact sheet? FloridaArmy (talk) 11:24, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 1 October 2025 (UTC) [reply]

story · music · places

Thank you for another unusual bionice one! - My story today is about a woman and her husband who played Bach's Sonatina for us (Rheingau Musik Festival, long ago) on an upright piano, and it made me cry, and I still remember. Can you believe that this was a real DYK, in 2019? - not saying what she did at age four, or how many times she played some piece, or what she did before turning to the piano ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]