User talk:Netherzone

The Netherzone is sometimes elsewhere, please be patient if I don't answer immediately.

hi, you've flagged the article Paul Albert Leitner as "like a resumé". this was almost a year ago, nothing happened since. are you willing to discuss this? everything's properly sourced and quoted and from people from the field. i'd be willing to work on this, but i'm not sure what the problem is. maybe things sound different in english than they do in german? thanks! Mars Mli (talk) 19:21, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, @Mars Mli I will have a look at it again, and get back to you here. I'm guessing it was probably flagged it while reviewing articles on New Page Patrol during a backlog, and it fell off my "radar screen". English WP and other language Wikipedias all have different standards for best practices and guidelines, so that may also be a factor. Netherzone (talk) 19:34, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Mars Mli, I had a look at the article, and see that the main problem was the long list of both solo and group exhibitions. I've moved these to the article talk page (and left a message there). The English Wikipedia's Manual of Style for visual arts states this about lists of exhibitions: Long lists of exhibitions should be avoided. It will rarely be useful to mention more than five exhibitions. For contemporary and modern artists the venue of exhibitions can be important evidence of notability, but only the most important should be given. My advice to you is to chose the five most prestigious solo shows (at either museums, major Kunsthalles or National Galleries (rather than commercial galleries or smaller venues); and make sure to add independent reliable sources to back up that these shows occurred (like a review, or a passage from an art history book or academic journal article). Then add these five exhibitions back to the article.

I also think the Awards section and Publications section and Further reading section can be trimmed per WP:NOTAWEBHOST and WP:NOTRESUME. Encyclopedia articles should be a synopsis of the most important accomplishments that contribute to a person's notability. The rest should be on the artist's personal website, or gallerists website.

Thanks you for creating the article and for your contributions! Netherzone (talk) 19:53, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

thanks so much for your detailed response. i appreciate this a lot. the exhib-list was not on my radar at all. i will work on this an get back to you. Mars Mli (talk) 13:38, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Mars Mli, you are welcome! Don't hesitate to ping me or reach out here again if you have any other questions, or would like me to review the article again before removing the maintenance tag at the top of the article. Happy editing! Netherzone (talk) 13:44, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

i definitely will ping our before removing the tag. all the best, m Mars Mli (talk) 13:46, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, User:Netherzone thank you for reviewing my draft Edgar Fabián Frías , i have improved the article as you mentioned by removing blogs and other unreliable source as well as tried to write this again in a more neutral point of view, i have few doubts where i need your help with, i wanted to know are we allowed to use They/Them pronouns to describe a person who have openly came out as Queer in public, i have read the guidelines based on that in Wikipedia where it tell that we can, but still wanted someone else opinion on this. other than that do let me know what other improvements should i make for this Wikipedia page to make it sounds more neutral, and reliably source, any kind of suggestion will be highly aspirated looking forward to hear from you soon, thanks! Frank Ludwig347 (talk) 03:00, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Frank Ludwig347, I will have deeper look at it when I get a chance in the next few days and let you know if any additional improvements are necessary. Thank you for your work improving the draft. Some of the tone still needs cleaning up, a couple things sound a bit promotional; and you should use their last name throughout rather than "Edgar". I'll get back to you at some point or make a few edits myself when I find the time. Of course it is perfectly OK to use they/them pronouns if that is what the person uses and/or it's in reliable sources. Thank you again for your contributions. Netherzone (talk) 14:07, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for the help! I will also do the changes as you suggested! Frank Ludwig347 (talk) 04:44, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Don't hesitate to ask if you have any further questions. When I come up for air I will have another look at the draft article (I'm quite busy at the moment). Happy editing. Netherzone (talk) 12:13, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Happy to help out! Netherzone (talk) 13:23, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP-article about a French artist that needs improvement, if you're interested. Stumbled on it at [1]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:37, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there @Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Wow, thank you for thinking of me, but that would be a huge project to take on and I'm just not in the position of devoting a lot of time because of real-life commitments. The article is almost entirely unsourced, and mostly written in an anecdotal manner. It would require back-researching and retrofitting sources to match the current claims in the article. It seems that the best approach would be either TNT, or to prune it down to a short, but well sourced stub consisting of a paragraph or two (and moving the unsourced content to the talk page, or leave in article history.) That way editors could take their time rebuilding the content as sources are found.

Courtesy ping @Willthehelpfuleditor Do you have any thoughts on stubbification rather than retrofitting? Netherzone (talk) 18:47, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the courtesy ping! Of course absolutely echo everything you are saying. Stubbification might be a good (if possibly the best) next step. However, I was maybe going to take a run at it, try to touch it up, and going through the French versions sources prior to that. Overall, the translated article is in such rough shape that it will still certainly need an overhaul. I think you are far more experienced on this and thus I'll trust your judgement in the end regarding the best steps to proceed with. Willthehelpfuleditor (talk 23:30, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Willthehelpfuleditor - Go for it, if you think you can take a run at it based on the French version. That would be great! I have the French fluency of a 5 year old. Ha! If working off the French article proves too labor intensive, I'm happy to help with trimming it back to a stub once a few decent sources are found. I can't spend too much time because travel, life, and two big real life projects are in the works. Nice meeting you here! Netherzone (talk) 23:46, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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story · music · places

Check out my talk, - if you have little time, listen to Gilda Cruz-Romo in the final scene of Aida, if you have more read her article, and if you have still more check out my music, some sung with me in choir, some played by friends, all heard with friends. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:17, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gerda! I quickly looked at the article which looks great - will read more deeply and listen when I have the time. Such a wonderful portrait of Gilda! Will check out your music as well. Netherzone (talk) 18:46, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! The image - as many others of articles I expand such as Helena Tattermuschová - was supplied by Storye book. - If you like Brahms, I recommend the streaming of yesterday's concert. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Today is Bastille Day, commemorated by a DYK as my "story" and a visit to the Bastille Opera in "music". I like the interview coming with the story, on the day before the big event, but for pomp and circumstance, the affair with 600 singing children and orchestra, and the singer dressed in the national flag, was also captured on videos, much slower. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I remember a 2016 TFA in today's story, in memory of 16 July 1916. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Three Ukrainian topics were on the main page today, at least at the beginning, RD and DYK, - see my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:10, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Three of "my" recent deaths bios are on the main page right now, one my story today, Gary Karr, and I loved to find his breakthrough concert in 1962 as a video. In my music today I match it with 9 other double bassists, 7 conducted by a person who's birthday is today - coincidence ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Four yesterday. - Béatrice Uria-Monzon and her story, Julia Hagen and her no story --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On Bach's day of death, I decorated my user pages in memory of his music, and my story ends on "peace". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:37, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Netherzone, there's a reliable sources noticeboard discussion at WP:RSN#Independence of Art Galleries that may benefit from your knowledge and expertise, if you're so interested. Cheers, Left guide (talk) 03:56, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Left guide, I will have a look at the discussion. Netherzone (talk) 15:29, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Netherzone (talk) 20:09, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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story · music · places

My story today is about a composer and his ballerina wife, pictured as I saw them in 2009. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:03, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for sharing, Gerda. Netherzone (talk) 17:00, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Today another giant's music: Canto General. Listen if you like it really big and emotional, with the composer as the conductor, in Chile, after years of suppression. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:22, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I enjoy a DYK that pictures a person together with achievements in art. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:49, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As you will know, Arvo Pärt is 90 today. Did you know that it took me some trouble to get him to the main page? Listen! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:01, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Netherzone I fixed my uncivility by doing my test at User:GoldRomean/Adopt/Rafaelthegreat/Civility and User_talk:Omerbn#A_kitten_for_you! if that's what you want. But commenting two times to tell me to stop is unnecessary. ~Rafael (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 23:03, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your message, Rafael. I'm glad you apologized to Omerbn, and that you are working on civility with your mentor. The reason why I asked you to stop twice was because you left about 6 or 8 comments at various AfD's that were rude or insulting (even though you were right about the problematics of AI editing or poor sourcing). My intention was for the two messages to be instructive since the behavior was being repeated.

Here's something I do if I'm feeling annoyed or angry about something at WP: I "vent" in a Word document first, getting all my angst and frustration out "on paper". Then I go for a walk, or make some tea, or do a little work in my garden or go to sleep. When I come back to the computer I'm much more chilled out. Then I re-read the Word document and edit it to get to the heart of what it is I'm trying to say; softening the wording so that it's easier for the other person to be receptive and understand the issue that is being communicated. I don't know if that would be helpful for you, but it works for me. Have a good evening. Netherzone (talk) 00:14, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Netherzone ok thanks. ~Rafael (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 00:17, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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