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Hello Tabercil! I noticed that you have uploaded a number of pictures from Luke Ford's website for fair use. How has he provided consent (on his website, through email, etc.)? Also, has he made all of the images on his site available, or have you only been requesting specific pictures? Olessi 02:18, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

From the email exchange I had with Luke:

Tabercil wrote:

Hi... I have a question for you. I'm a volunteer who does a good deal of work on Wikipedia updating the various articles about the ladies in the adult film industry. One of the problems we have is finding fair use pictures of the various girls. I was wondering... Could persuade you to contribute the photos you've taken over the years to Wikipedia?? Strictly for identification purposes

Luke Ford wrote:

Sure, as long as you attribute them to the website where you took them from...

Clear enough? Tabercil 05:06, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Yep, clear enough. I'll keep an eye on his site and see what other images would be acceptable for Wiki use. If I do upload any images, I'll use the attribution style that you have been using. Thanks for the information! Olessi 05:11, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

• Hello Tabercil, you might have noticed that I transferred some of those pictures to Commons to use them on other wikipedias (mainly German). I've looked at the pictures on Luke's site and see there are quite a lot that could be useful, especially for those Wikipedias that don't allow "fair use" pictures. I thought about uploading some myself.

  But before I do this, I want to propose to use another license tag. Luke asked for attribution to his website. That's not reflected in the tag you are using. But this one meets the requirement. Have a look at it and let me know what you think. Alternatively, one of the Creative Commons licenses could be used, namely cc-by-2.5 (see here). Regards --Rosenzweig 21:59, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Tabercil. Note that Luke Ford did not say that the photos could be used for any purpose, including commercial uses, or that they could be modified. Hence, your use of {{copyrighted free use}} is unjustified. Please ask him to license the photos according to the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 license. Otherwise, I suspect they will have to be deleted. dbenbenn | talk 00:32, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, traded some more email with Luke. My email to him:

Hey Luke... there's been a snag with your photos on Wikipedia, so I just want to verify your intent when you said I could use them.

They're asking that the photos be released under a Creative Commons license. Essentially the license says:

Attribution. You let others copy, distribute, display, and perform your copyrighted work — and derivative works based upon it — but only if they give credit the way you request.

And you wish me to credit lukeisback.com as the source of the photos? Nothing more beyond that needed?

And his full reply to me:

You have my permission to do what you stated (to use my photos). Please just credit lukeisback.com rather than my full name Luke Ford.

So there you have it from the horse's mouth. Now if someone can point out precisely how I should construct the license tag, I'll double-back and fix everything. Tabercil 06:05, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Sounds ok enough for me to put them under the cc-by-2.5 license. I've invited a comment from Dbenbenn too, let's wait what he has to say. Regards --Rosenzweig 09:55, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, not good enough. You need to get him to say the words "Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 license". All he's said so far is "You have my permission ... to use my photos". dbenbenn | talk 17:43, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh come on. That's just being anal. Luke's intent is clear from the exchange above.Tabercil 17:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, it may well be anal, but I've traded still more email with Luke:

Hate to keep at you like this, but they're being anal on the topic. I posted your reply, and here's their response:

Sorry, not good enough. You need to get him to say the words "Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 license". All he's said so far is "You have my permission ... to use my photos"

So could you please reply explicitly saying something closer to what they want to hear?

And his reply, in its entirety:

I give you Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 license to the photos on lukeisback.com.

If that is not good enough, then write what you want me to write to you and I will reply with those exact words.

And I even went one step beyond that. As you may or may not remember, Luke Ford had an earlier website, lukeford dot com. Well I wrote to him about the material that was on that site (accessible through the Wayback Machine), and his answer on that score:

Sure. That's fine with me that you use everything i put on lukeford.com (through aug 8, 2001)... If you want me to write back something to give you permission, just compose it and email it to me. I will email it back in my name.

So I guess it's now open season on Luke Ford's photos. All I need now is for someone to point out precisely how I should craft the license post (preferably by doing one over first) and I'll double back through all my earlier uploads to Wikipedia and change them. I'll leave the Wikipedia Commons material to Rosenzweig to update.Tabercil 03:11, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for making it totally clear! I suggest you copy your email exchange with Ford to User:Tabercil/Luke Ford permission, then link to it from all the images. See Image:Selena Silver DSC 0078.JPG for example.

By the way, if you end up uploading more of Ford's photos, please put them at the Commons, so they can be used by Wikipedias in other languages. Thanks! dbenbenn | talk 03:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your efforts and your patience. I've updated the information on all of the pictures on commons, changed the attribution to "Original Photo from www.lukeisback.com, used with permission (see here)." and the license to cc-by-2.5. Btw, you haven't actually changed the license to cc-by-2.5 for the pictures here. For any specific reason? After all, Luke expressly consented to it :-)

Regards --Rosenzweig 18:53, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I've uploaded several of Luke's pics to Commons. See here for what is available there. Regards --Rosenzweig 22:16, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Why haven't I changed the licensing? For one, I wanted to see how to structure it on the page. Thanks to dbenbenn for doing a couple for starts. Another thing, there's a bloody lot of photos there! I've edited all the comments for the photos so they refer to the User:Tabercil/Luke Ford permission page... click on the "What links here" page to see just how many I had to change over. All I can say is thank god for cut'n'paste! Even so, it still took me an hour to go through them all...Tabercil 23:27, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Just wanted to know if there was a fundamental problem I wasn't aware of. Regards --Rosenzweig 17:23, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for uploading Image:MegaBoob Olympics 76460.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{GFDL-self}} to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion.

It seems like the {{Magazinecover}} tag, source information and a fair use rational on the image description page would be the most useful thing to do here. Regards, Dethomas 06:06, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Nope, it's a DVD box cover, and I had placed the source info in the file when I uploaded it. Looks like what happened is back on December 23/05, user K1mm13 deleted the tag info. I'll do a rv on the stuff so it's now present. Tabercil 12:33, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Just wanted to let you know that I've begun uploading the Luke Ford images I am using on the Wikimedia Commons. By uploading to the commons, the images can be used on the other projects as well. If you have any questions, drop me a line. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. ^{Think out loud} 05:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

The reason this is being IFDed is becasue the picture is actually of Jamie Lynn and not Crystal Klein. It was, apparently, misidentified somewhere along the way. Joe Beaudoin Jr. ^{Think out loud} 20:47, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for getting that, I was glad to be able to use it for Victoria Paris. AnonEMouse 21:07, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I noticed that you were unsure of Image:Tera mod.jpg and Image:Tpg .jpg as well. However, if you consider them a possible unfree image, you should list them at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images to complete the process. There's plenty of people there who can help and otherwise, the images will never be removed. I've already taken care of things here. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:49, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the picture to the Uschi Diggard article, but I don't think that's her. Are you sure that isn't Shari Eubank? Ghosts&empties 00:47, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

• Hmm... on checking you might be right. I've pulled the pic off the page. Tabercil 21:41, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

What was your point in this revert? You deleted info on Alsace there. Be more careful. --Matthead 12:08, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for uploading Image:Jenteal thumbnailed.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image can be used under a fair use license. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Joe Beaudoin Jr. ^{Think out loud — WP:PORN BIO?} 17:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for uploading Image:Alana Evans 94179.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image can be used under a fair use license. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Abu Badali 02:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for uploading Image:Briana banks sextacy.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image can be used under a fair use license. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Abu Badali 02:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for uploading Image:Ashley Long 71255.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image can be used under a fair use license. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Abu Badali 03:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for uploading Image:Ava devine 210589.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image can be used under a fair use license. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Abu Badali 03:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

• I see the decision that DVD covers don't count as fair use - so you don't need to notify me about their removals. Tabercil 04:04, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Please accept my appologizes. I was just following the bureaucracy. If I didn't add these warnings here, OrphanBot would have done it. Sorry for the incovinience. --Abu Badali 04:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
    • De nada. I know you were following the prescribed steps... just letting you know that's I'm full aware of you pulling a bunch of non-fair use pics. Believe me, I was busy on that score based on the earlier erroneous info that it did count as fair-use. Often times for the older stars the DVD cover is the only readily available pic which doesn't have nudity which we can use as arguing "fair use". So you and OrphanBot will be busy killing a fair number of pics. Tabercil 20:46, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

On what planet is that a real picture of Jenteal? There is no way that is her.

• If you check back to the source of the pic, you'll see that's who Luke Ford had the pic identified as. Tabercil 16:47, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for uploading Image:Adara michaels dvdcover.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image can be used under a fair use license. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Abu Badali 19:33, 2 July 2006 (UTC)