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I want to start with spacetime J = spacetime derivative F and expand to ${\displaystyle e_{o}\rho +\mathbf {J} =(-e_{o}\partial _{0}+{\boldsymbol {\nabla }})(\mathbf {E} e_{0}-I\mathbf {B} )}$

${\displaystyle =-\partial _{o}\mathbf {E} +I_{4}\partial _{0}\mathbf {B} +e_{o}{\boldsymbol {\nabla }}\mathbf {E} -I{\boldsymbol {\nabla }}\mathbf {B} }$

Then decompose into dot and cross and equate parts to give the usual Maxwell equations. Selfstudier (talk) 11:51, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Decomposition

${\displaystyle e_{o}\rho +\mathbf {J} =-\partial _{0}\mathbf {E} +I_{4}\partial _{0}\mathbf {B} +e_{0}\nabla \cdot \mathbf {E} +I_{4}\nabla \times \mathbf {E} -I\nabla \cdot \mathbf {B} +\nabla \times \mathbf {B} }$ whence equating parts (timelike vectors e0, spacelike vectors ek, timelike trivectors I4e0 and spacelike trivectors I4ek) results in

${\displaystyle \nabla \cdot \mathbf {E} =\rho }$

${\displaystyle \nabla \times \mathbf {B} -\partial _{t}\mathbf {E} =\mathbf {J} }$

${\displaystyle \nabla \cdot \mathbf {B} =0}$

${\displaystyle \nabla \times \mathbf {E} +\partial _{t}\mathbf {B} =0}$Selfstudier (talk) 14:15, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

The 3D decomposition can be done similarly but much more simply using just e1e2e3Selfstudier (talk) 14:56, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

If we start from ${\displaystyle \left({\frac {1}{c}}\partial _{t}+{\boldsymbol {\nabla }}\right)F=c\mu _{o}J,}$ we can expand to

${\displaystyle ({\dfrac {1}{c}}\partial _{t}+e_{1}\partial _{x}+e_{2}\partial _{y}+e_{3}\partial _{z})[E_{x}e_{1}+E_{y}e_{2}+E_{z}e_{3}+c(B_{x}e_{2}e_{3}+B_{y}e_{3}e_{1}+B_{z}e_{1}e_{2})]={\dfrac {\rho }{\epsilon _{o}}}-c\mu _{o}(J_{x}e_{1}+J_{y}e_{2}+J_{z}e_{3})}$

Then equate scalar,vector,bivector and i trivector terms for the usual equations.

• Aside*

Coordinate frame ${\displaystyle e_{\mu }=\partial _{x^{\mu }}x}$ reciprocal frame ${\displaystyle e^{\mu }}$ and define vector derivative ${\displaystyle \nabla =e^{\mu }\partial _{x^{\mu }}=e^{\mu }\partial _{\mu }}$

Maxwell tensor ${\displaystyle \partial _{\mu }F^{uv}=J^{v},\ \partial _{[}\alpha F_{\mu v}]=0}$

Spacetime equivalents are ${\displaystyle \nabla \cdot F=J,\ \nabla \wedge F=0}$ but we can combine with geometric product ${\displaystyle \nabla F=J}$Selfstudier (talk) 13:45, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Interesting correspondence with [Definition_Fonction]. Note some differences with English terminology. Boute (talk) 20:28, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for adding this image. It was requested that an SVG file be created, so if it's ok I did so. Is it ok to use in place of the JPG? Thanks again. Maschen (talk) 23:06, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Similarly for this image? (Although no explicit requests, SVG is generally preferable...) Thanks again, Maschen (talk) 21:31, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I made some rather major updates to geometric calculus based mostly on the reference you mentioned in its talk page. You may wish to have a look and correct/improve further. Teply (talk) 23:36, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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Did you have/had any other accounts on Wikipedia?--Shrike (talk) 13:23, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

First of all thank you for your answer .I didn't see that you already answered this anyhow in the I/P are many users were topic banned and used WP:SOCKs to edit circumventing their ban.Shrike (talk) 13:59, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Copy responses from Shrike talk page so as to have a complete record here:

You left a message on my talk page asking if I have any other accounts at Wikipedia? You have been following the talk on Balfour Declaration page, you can see that Nice has already asked me this exact same question to which I have replied in the negative. Why are you even asking this question? I asked nice the same and he did not answer me.Selfstudier (talk) 13:56, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

I understand now why you asked, however I do not believe that I given anyone sufficient grounds to doubt my good faith; just so you know, I originally came to Wikipedia in the days when I was a bit of a math head and involved with 3D modelling, nothing to do with Israel and Palestine. Then I got involved with other things so was not very active for a long time. I have some background in International Law (nothing too serious) and so my interest in I/P is mostly in that direction.Selfstudier (talk) 14:08, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

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Hi Selfstudier: Some unsolicited advice. As the length of a talk page discussion increases, the probability of bad-faith accusations and incivility reaches one. If you find yourself at an impasse, stop trying to convince the other person of your position, and seek WP:DR. It's better for all involved.

Unfortunately, while I planned to participate in the talk page discussion, but I haven't been able to in the past couple of weeks. I still hope to do so soon. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 02:54, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Selfstudier,

according to the guc tool I have 1501 edits in English Wikipedia. I don't want mess up with you, but I would like to know whether this low quality map should be included?

IMHO it is not adding any value to the article and may disappoint the reader due to poor distinguishability. The content is well understandable without this illustration.

Best regards, --Kopiersperre (talk) 12:48, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I went by your history page, guess that gave me wrong info :) I have voted keep this image at Wikimedia Commons, will try to get a better one. As I stated at Wikimedia, it is in some respects more important to know that the image exists and that the FO prepared it than to be able to see all the details (in fact all you really need to know is that Palestine was included within the outline area). There was a link to a source with a high res image that you also deleted when you made your edit, tho that's only good if you happen to possess the source Selfstudier (talk) 13:08, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Please let's continue the discussion where it started. I would be very glad, if we will get a high quality version in the end. But before we've achied this goal I'm against an inclusion of the map in the article.--Kopiersperre (talk) 13:23, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

That's a different problem (that has been addressed at least twice bfore that I know of, perhaps more, lol). Your edit has been reverted so since it is an IsPal page, you are required to obtain consensus for that on the relevant talk page (there are three different articles that have it, I think, all related to each other). At this point, just saying that the image is low res and therefore useless is not going to win the day, I'm afraid.Selfstudier (talk) 13:39, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi. I see in a recent addition to Sykes–Picot Agreement you included material from a webpage that is available under an Open Government Licence. That's okay, but you have to give attribution so that our readers are made aware that you copied the prose rather than wrote it yourself. I've added the attribution for this particular instance. Please make sure that you follow this legal requirement when copying from compatibly-licensed material in the future. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 17:17, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Selfstudier

I would like to comment that any encyclopedic depiction of the Balfour Declaration, which does not refer even in a word to the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement, would be partial and lacking, if not misleading.

A considerable portion of the Entry is devoted to “Reaction” to the Declaration, including a paragraph on “Broader Arab response”, with specific reference to the Sharif of Mecca (the father of king Faisal). Overlooking the true reaction of the Sharif, which was at least partially demonstrated in the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement, might well be considered as a bias.

The Faisal-Weizmann Agreement Main article: Faisal-Weizmann Agreement The Sykes–Picot Agreement divided vast territories under then-Ottoman rule, into future British- and French-administered areas, and allowed for the internationalisation of Palestine. In the aftermath of the agreement, Emir Faisal I, the son of Hussein ibn Ali al-Hashimi, Sharif of Mecca and King of Hejaz, attempted to secure international support for his rule over Damascus and Greater Syria, and for that end sought collaboration with the Zionist Movement. The Faisal-Weizmann Agreement, signed on the fringe of the Paris Peace Conference, on 3 January 1919, by Emir Faisal and Chaim Weizmann, was directed to establishing Arab–Jewish cooperation on the development of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, and an Arab nation in a large part of the Middle East. Following the Balfour Declaration, Article IV of the agreement stated that

All necessary measures shall be taken to encourage and stimulate immigration of Jews into Palestine on a large scale, and as quickly as possible to settle Jewish immigrants upon the land through closer settlement and intensive cultivation of the soil… — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.126.23.51 (talk) 08:02, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I am not sure why you are messaging me directly rather than putting a commentary on the Balfour talk page where other editors might also comment on your thought. I have not as yet had time to fully look into the matter of this agreement, still there are a couple of things that are worth mentioning:

1)The codicil to this agreement refers to the Arab claim at the Peace Conference which I understand included the area called Palestine (the Arabs were understood to have little difficulty with a Jewish presence under an Arab suzerain instead of a Turkish one). 2)The agreement was a fiction from the outset, the British (Balfour) had suggested the obtaining of it when they already well knew that Arab demands were not going to be met. 3)It is certainly worthy of some investigation that the Agreement is in English only and the codicil the only thing in English and Arabic (and on a separate sheet of paper) with Lawrence acting as translator. 4)I would say that whatever this Agreement meant was not so much a reaction to the Balfour Declaration (the Arab reaction in Palestine to it was already by 1919 very clear and they were not even consulted) as a reaction to the pressures of the Peace Conference and international diplomacy, a desire to be seen as a help and not a hindrance to the process.

I will pay some attention to this a bit later on, that's my 2 cents meanwhile :)Selfstudier (talk) 09:13, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Tx. Not sure how to technically comment properly. Anyhow some further detailing follows. The Sharif of Mecca, Hussein ibn Ali al-Hashimi, was a key figure in the British diplomacy in the Middle East and the addressee of the McMahon–Hussein correspondence. His importance and relevance to the Balfour Declaration is reflected from the reference to him in the preface to the Entry, as well as from numerous references further below. The paragraph under “Broader Arab response” practically focuses only on the negotiations between him and the British following the publication of the Declaration.

The overall impression to the reader from these citations is that the Sharif totally objected to the Declaration. However, the Agreement between his son and Weizmann in 1919 shows that this was not the case, as the Agreement endorsed massive Jewish immigration to Palestine. The codicil to the Agreement only shows that such endorsement was subject to the Sharif’s assumption and hope that – in return to his welcoming the Jews – the British will guarantee his own family ruling over Palestine.

The bottom line is that the Faisal–Weizmann Agreement is no less relevant to the Entry than the McMahon–Hussein correspondence, and its exclusion of it is unjustified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.126.23.51 (talk) 15:25, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I finally got around to fixing up the FWA page and have put something in the BD article about it; if you read the WZA article now, I am sure will see why it is often called the "forgotten agreement", an inconsequential episode, nothing more than that.Selfstudier (talk) 13:25, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for all the great work you have been doing here and at associated articles.

As I mentioned in the past, I am hoping to get the article past a Wikipedia:Featured article review, and then subsequently a Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests. These are quite weighty processes, and I have not been through it before. Fortunately, FunkMonk has been mentoring me through each of the steps.

I am posting here to ask if you would like to support me in the nominations - I can nominate in both our names.

Onceinawhile (talk) 09:23, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't want to be nominated myself, you go right ahead, if I can help, I will.Selfstudier (talk) 09:54, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

OK, that works well. Onceinawhile (talk) 19:31, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Here is the page: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Balfour Declaration/archive1. Uninvolved reviewers will add comments and suggestions in due course. Onceinawhile (talk) 16:45, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

You repetedly deleted comments about Your state of Israel is actively perpetrating a genocide. Palestinians are being shot in their homes by your "defense" forces. It appears that you are using antisemitism as a shield to shut down debate. It is a real issue, stop using it to shut down arguments, by doing so you delegitimize your cause and the issue. if this message is deleted again by some pro israel mod- You show that you are a coward and cannot handle disscusion like a grown adult. i will refer to a higher auth if not ceased 142.54.9.83 (talk) 18:03, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

and Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, discussion pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Even making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments is generally frowned upon, as it tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Debresser (talk) 15:40, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

You now did it again. Changing comments is a big violation and I suggest you stop. Having threaded discussions in an RFC is allowed. I'm not sure where you got that you can't have a sub-section in an RFC from but you most certainly can. But what you can't do is change people's comments and !votes. Sir Joseph (talk) 15:42, 14 April 2020 (UTC) 142.54.9.83 (talk) 18:13, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I have made an account, please send all further inquires here FreedomForThePeopleofPalestine (talk) 18:17, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Blocked. Selfstudier (talk) 15:44, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Firstly, I made an account because this is a join IP, Its not sockpuppetry, it is allowed- and recommended 142.54.9.83 (talk) 15:37, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Not sure what is happening at Self-determination but for info I've raised this at WP:ANI.

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. WCM_email 06:57, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

All sorted. WCM_email 16:26, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

@Selfstudier, we have very different views on the issue. Please post your side of the story on WP:DRN so a mediator can judge who is right in our dispute. Thanks, RomanHannibal (talk) 15:31, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

get rekt. Theheezy (talk) 03:46, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

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Just saw that Benny Morris signed that open letter. That says quite a lot. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:30, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

So it took just 34 years for the parties involved to reply to Edward Said's unpublished 1989 plea.Nishidani (talk) 12:39, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Selfstudier, I am the declared COI editor for Nefesh B'Nefesh, the Israel-based Aliyah organization. I noticed your active editing on Israel-related subjects and would appreciate your help with some updates I have requested on the NBN Talk page. The current article is outdated and disjointed, it doesn't reflect the robust work of NBN. Thanks in advance. LA for NBN (talk) 10:08, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unselfstudier

Dear selfstudier, as Nableezy has already noticed, a new user, focused on Israel/Palestine talk pages, has an account name that on first glance appears to be an attack on you. They seem to have plead ignorance, so I guess we assume good faith for now, but worth watching and potentially taking to admins. You have all my sympathy if indeed this turns out to be harassment. BobFromBrockley (talk) 12:42, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

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I'm very sorry if I upset you. I had no such intention. Apart from your own brief remarks, I find the quality of argumentation there, throughout these two months, extremely strange, and felt impelled to meticulously answer these other assertions on the only level wikipedia permits. I.e., I must respect opinions that do not otherwise appear to me to have any logical grounding or basis in the sources, and yet were going unchallenged. No need to reply Nishidani (talk) 12:38, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Selfstudier, as an experienced editor, you should know better than to WP:PROD April 2023 Israel rocket attacks. PROD is for uncontroversial deletions, and there have been no less than 2 objections to your arguments on the Talk page, so this is certainly not an uncontroversial deletion. Next time, please take it to AfD or get new consensus rather than try to circumvent consensus, especially in the all-too-contentious I-P world. Thanks. Longhornsg (talk) 05:17, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Longhornsg: Kindly save the lectures for anyone that is interested, there were no serious objections on the talk page, there was a brief discussion between myself and the article creator. You suggested a merge of some material to another article which could have just been done without discussion. The article is an unorganized synthesized mess covering a small number of rockets launched from 3 separate places that caused little or no injuries or deaths and no-one will remember any of it after a time, if they can even remember it now. Not news of any significance and with no lasting impact, I will AfD it when I have nothing better to do. Bfn. Selfstudier (talk) 12:36, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

I believe self-reverted per your request. Please confirm I did. Closetside (talk) 16:28, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

This matter is being dealt with at AE, best that we keep comments there. Selfstudier (talk) 16:40, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Would you say that the current version is sufficient? Do I have any more obligations in your opinion to correct my 1RR violation? If I do, please inform me of them. Closetside (talk) 16:42, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

You may ask me anything you wish on this matter...at AE. Selfstudier (talk) 16:44, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

I appreciate the work you do

ZephyrCubic (talk) 17:34, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Please check the story of “copyright” in these images that they keep removing from the article saying “it seems that it violates copyrights”

I don’t know much about copyrights and licensing but the images are taken by average palestinian civilians and are widely available on social media and used among many news sites and webpage Stephan rostie (talk) 17:25, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@Iskandar323 do you know about this “copyright” thing ? Stephan rostie (talk) 17:29, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard

Upload the file(s) and answer the questions. If the source is a webpage, that usually means it is copyright to them. Selfstudier (talk) 17:32, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

How am i supposed to upload the image taken by random people who posted it online and at the same time provide a reliable source that posts the photo (as i did) which consequently considered “copyright” ?!, i can’t just put the source “random viral social media photo” Stephan rostie (talk) 17:43, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Images are considered copyright by default and the onus is on you to demonstrate that the image is not copyright. If you cannot, don't use the image. So for example images from OCHA are specifically allowed, OCHA grants a usage. That other people on the internet are ignoring copyright does not mean that we should. Selfstudier (talk) 17:51, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Dear @Selfstudier,

As an active user and contributor to articles on the Israel-Palestine conflict, I was wondering whether you might like to help to contribute to this page: Genocide against Palestinians.

It is newly-established and could use some more sources, viewpoints, statistics and descriptions of the life of the Palestinians under Israeli rule. What do you think?

Thank you, Scientelensia (talk) 21:16, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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@WeatherWriter: I can't see that any of my edits have been reverted? Selfstudier (talk) 18:22, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

That was part of the template (Template:Uw-disruptive1), and I didn’t actually type that. Generally, disruptive edits get reverted. I did not revert any of them as doing so would not be the proper procedure. However, I would suggest at least temporarily withdrawing the AfD you started until the RM has a chance to operate. The AfD was based on the “POV name”, which the RM is doing. Basically, you actually opened an entirely forked discussion, which just disrupts the process. The proper way to do this would be withdraw the AfD, let the RM conclude, then continue the AfD if necessary. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 18:26, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

@WeatherWriter: I don't think the AfD is any more or less disruptive than what has been done up to now. The RM itself is kinda proof of that. In addition, since the demerge was carried out with limited consensus rather than making use of the formal split procedure, it seems right to test the validity of that with a wider audience. Selfstudier (talk) 18:31, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

I concur that the AfD process is causing disruptions, and assigning blame to others doesn't effectively communicate your perspective. Infinity Knight (talk) 10:07, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

The AfD is closed. Selfstudier (talk) 11:49, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

In relation to your vote for inclusion in the terrorism list, you're absolutely entitled to your viewpoints. However, it's crucial to recognize that we do possess credible sources that substantiate the inclusion of this specific event. Otherwise, it could be perceived as an extension of a disruptive editing pattern on your part. Infinity Knight (talk) 13:50, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

In relation to your vote for inclusion in the terrorism list, you're absolutely entitled to your viewpoints. Glad we agree. Selfstudier (talk) 13:53, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

In line with the whole AfD thing, not taking reliable sources into account can come off as a classic case of editing that's just plain stubborn, like saying the sources don't count. Take it easy! Infinity Knight (talk)

TTFN. Selfstudier (talk) 14:15, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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How are you @Selfstudier: An unexpected undo, huh? Did you give the discussion linked to that undo a shot? Just in case you missed it, it's right here. Infinity Knight (talk) 12:33, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, it would be helpful if in future you linked in edit summary. Please continue the discussion there, which by no means provides a consensus for the arbitrary deletion of well sourced material, Onus is not a "reason" for removal. Selfstudier (talk) 12:54, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

No problem at all. The edit summary reads "rv, see talk" with a link to the discussion. Can you spot it now? Infinity Knight (talk) 13:05, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Missed that, commented there. Selfstudier (talk) 13:20, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

In case you missed it. Infinity Knight (talk) 14:09, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Haha, off you go now, there's a good chap. Selfstudier (talk) 14:12, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, you just (19:32) reverted my edit. The presumed quote of Mashaal is not on page 231 in that book of Beinart if you follow the internet link provided. So, I don't understand why you say that it is. What date is Mashaal supposed to have said that quote? (I'm possibly not able to quickly continue this discussion here with you, 'my batteries [energy] are getting low' for today.) --Corriebertus (talk) 19:49, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

@Corriebertus: I am sitting right here looking at it after following the link, idk why it doesn't work for you. Selfstudier (talk) 19:50, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

If I look up that page 231, I see "NOTES", notably notes referring to pages 84 until 86 in the book, in total 16 notes. Is that also what you see? If 'yes': which of those 16 notes is the one you mean, concerning which page in the book? If 'no': what do you see on that page 231? Anyway: I asked you also (yesterday), on what date Mashaal has given that quote, that you say you can see (and I can't see). A reliable quote of a notable person (like in this case Mashaal) in matters like politics where conditions, opinions, positions et cetera constantly can change should always be dated; therefore, if this quote isn't dated, I don't think it can serve here as reliable quote; it would look more like a rumor, which I think we cannot accept as 'reliable source', here. --Corriebertus (talk) 14:06, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

@Corriebertus: I am transferring this discussion to the article talk page which is where it should be and will reply there. Selfstudier (talk) 14:23, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi! I’m a public radio reporter working on a story about the challenges of editing Wiki pages related to Palestine and Israel in the current moment. I’m hoping to interview some active editors about their experiences right now. Can you email mdalton at ct public dot org? Appreciate all your efforts so much! 69.126.242.38 (talk) 00:56, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi there. I pinged in you in this Talk section, but there apparently was a problem with pinging for at least one user who I also pinged, so I wanted to make sure you saw it. Please feel free to participate in the discussion. | Orgullomoore (talk) 18:59, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

I appreciate your enthusiasm for editing the 2023 Israel-Hamas War but your recent edit was a bit edgy since it was an 100% ad verbatim statement from the article, which it still was despite your efforts to attribute it. Such attempts could be seen as full-on copyright violations and could get you sanctioned. Believe me, I nearly got one when I was a newbie. I'm sending you an excerpt from the reprimand I had before:

Aside from limited quotation, you must put all information in your own words and structure, in proper paraphrase. Following the source's words too closely can create copyright problems, so it is not permitted here; see Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. Even when using your own words, you are still, however, asked to cite your sources to verify the information and to demonstrate that the content is not original research. It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing.

Finally, I do advise against making excessively long quotations since it could constitute WP:QUOTEFARM violations. Borgenland (talk) 14:24, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

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		For your efforts contributing to the page 2023 Israel–Hamas war. Awarded by Cdjp1 (talk) 16:04, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Why you have deleted my edit? You have provided the explanation: "In article body, controversial, inappropriate for the lead".

This is already mentioned in the article: In December 2019, the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination announced commencing a review of the Palestinian complaint that Israel's policies in the West Bank amount to apartheid. Soon afterwards, two Israeli human rights NGOs, Yesh Din (July 2020), and B'Tselem (January 2021) issued separate reports that concluded, in the latter's words, that "the bar for labeling the Israeli regime as apartheid has been met." In April 2021, Human Rights Watch became the first major international human rights body to say Israel had crossed the threshold. It accused Israel of apartheid, and called for prosecution of Israeli officials under international law, calling for an International Criminal Court investigation. Amnesty International issued a report with similar findings on 1 February 2022.

So, my edit: "In 2017, a report by the UN Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia concluded that Israel is "guilty of the crime of apartheid"." is not starting some new topic but provides additional information for what it is already said.

Keeping in mind this, I don't see how providing information from the UN Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia is "controversial" and why it is "inappropriate for the lead" when there are already information in the article about international and Israeli organizations claiming that Israel is an apartheid state (Zdravko mk (talk) 17:31, 11 November 2023 (UTC))

I am transferring this to the article talk page, where it belongs, and I will reply there. Selfstudier (talk) 17:49, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

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		For your efforts contributing to the page Palestinian genocide accusation. Awarded by Cdjp1 (talk) 12:18, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

I wanted to visit again the issue of navigation templates on your user page which I believe contravenes WP:UP#NOTSUITED specifically Categories and templates intended for other usage, in particular those for articles and guidelines. I am particularly concerned with the ones that say "Part of a series..." which your user page is not. That may even get into WP:FAKEARTICLE territory. You before indicated you would not remove these but I want to offer the opportunity again. One possible solution would be to use a banner such as {{User page}} which might be the easiest here. The other would be to remove at least the ones that say "Part of a series..." Thanks for your time and attention to this. —DIYeditor (talk) 21:08, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, much appreciated! Happy editing. —DIYeditor (talk) 22:45, 12 November 2023 (UTC)