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Administrators' newsletter – September 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2024).

Administrator changes

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removed Wugapodes

CheckUser changes

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Guideline and policy news

  • Following an RfC, there is a new criterion for speedy deletion: C4, which applies to unused maintenance categories, such as empty dated maintenance categories for dates in the past.
  • A request for comment is open to discuss whether Notability (species) should be adopted as a subject-specific notability guideline.

Arbitration

Miscellaneous


The Signpost: 4 September 2024

JCW compilation now tracks free DOIs, Wiki Loves Monuments getting started, WMF's status as UN observer stymied by China for fourth time.
Updates from the Portland pol's case, the war in Gaza, and other Wiki-related reports.
And other new research findings
Who are they, why are they running and what are they bringing to the Board?
What all happened in Katowice?
Hannah Clover shares her fondest memories of her first Wikimania.
The Olympics (yay!) and the American election (oh no).
"I can't remember whether he is an incompetent moron, or an incorrigible POV warrior, or some other thing, but either way, to hell with him."

The Signpost: 26 September 2024

ANI (but probably not the one you're thinking of), bias and bans, crisis and Clover, Engelhorn's euros, and will the zoomers inherit the project?
In response to a takedown request, Wikipedia editors reached a consensus on how to handle it appropriately.
User Hawkeye7 opens up on his experience as a media representative following the Australian team at the latest Summer Paralympics in Paris.
User asilvering reflects on their recent successful request for adminship.
More changes to RfA on the way in October, final results for the U4C elections revealed, and other news from the Wikimedia world.
Picture this: medicine, drugs, JFK, Cleopatra, anachronism, and global catastrophe.
And other recent research publications.
Band reunions and Beetlejuice!

Random block

I am being blocked from editing the articles of Nick Land and Lyotard's libidinal economy... The book by Lyotard contains explicit pedophilia and interestingly there hasn't been much negative public judgement on the book. I am being blocked no reason, something about an IP address, but I know that the block is random. Anthonycrc (talk) 17:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – October 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2024).

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Guideline and policy news

Arbitration

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The Signpost: 19 October 2024

Find more about the new Trustees, the first election cycle for admins, and other news from the Wikimedia world.
And other searchings and findings.
Perplexing persistence, pay to play, potential president's possible plagiarism, crossword crossover to culture, and a wish come true!
Can it be fun to address systemic bias? Eighty participants say yes, it can!
Help me make it through the night!
A novel about us, from the point of view of three of us.
Where do I even start?
Pasta, acronyms, and one computer-crashing talk page.

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Administrators' newsletter – November 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2024).

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removed Maxim

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Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • Mass deletions done with the Nuke tool now have the 'Nuke' tag. This change will make reviewing and analyzing deletions performed with the tool easier. T366068

Arbitration

Miscellaneous


The Signpost: 6 November 2024

But not everybody is able to legally read Wikipedia, and not everybody is able to legally edit Wikipedia.
Defamation, privacy, censorship, and elections.
Plus human knowledge and Ozzie places!
Asian News International, the Delhi High Court, and the encyclopedia.
Your photos are more valuable than you may realize.
What is going on?
And Tata too!
IP address privacy tools, and mysterious archive sites.
Many such cases.

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The Signpost: 18 November 2024

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Administrators' newsletter – December 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2024).

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Unblock request

Hi ST47, could you please unblock the IP adresses 81.209.128.120/29? They are blocked without reason, which hinders us from creating an account in order to update several pages. Thank you very much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:599:727:F5D6:7917:A989:A904:CE6 (talkcontribs)

That IP address is not blocked "without reason". It's possible the reason is not valid (or no longer valid) but you haven't made that case. Additionally, you could create an account from your current IP address. --Yamla (talk) 15:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

Precious
Six years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DediPath

Heya! I notice from [1] that this range is marked Colocation webhost, dedipath. But it looks like DediPath shut down operations a year ago. Have the ranges in question been rechecked recently? --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 23:51, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 12 December 2024

New arbs to be seated in January.
Will the fifth try at achieving peace be a mudfight, or something better?
Should old acquaintance be forgot?
An editor's reflection on social capital and their changing relationship with Wikipedia culture.
by Tamzin
Wikipedia aims to represent the sum of all knowledge. Is there an imbalance between Western countries and the rest of the world.
Ballooning British bias bombast!
Fighting and killing – on screen, in politics, and in the ring – competes for attention with Disney.
The importance of feedback.

The Signpost: 24 December 2024

What the VLOP – findings of an outside auditor for "responsibilization" of Wikipedia. Plus, new EU Commissioners for tech policy, WLE 2024 winners, and a few other bits of news from the Wikipedia world.
A personal essay.
Explanations for what led to it and what it was like to undergo it.
Plus, the dangers of editing, Morrissey's page gets marred, COVID coverage critique, Kimchi consultation, kids' connectivity curtailed, centenarian Claudia, Christmas cramming, and more.
Who's news?
And other new research findings.
Good faith edits REVERTED and accounts BLOCKED.
Peace on earth, goodwill to all!
Wicked war, martial law, killing, death and an Indian movie with a new chess champ!

Administrators' newsletter – January 2025

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2024).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • The Nuke feature also now provides links to the userpage of the user whose pages were deleted, and to the pages which were not selected for deletion, after page deletions are queued. This enables easier follow-up admin-actions.

Arbitration

Miscellaneous


The Signpost: 15 January 2025

The 20th anniversary of The Signpost.
A lot of psephology!
HUMINT or humbug?
Hallelujah!
Johnny Au has edited for 17 years straight without missing a day.
Some thoughts from the original editor-in-chief.
Public Domain Day 2025, Women in Red hits 20% biography milestone, Spanish Wikipedia reaches two million articles, and other news from the Wikimedia world.
The Signpost staff on achievements of '24 and hopes for '25.
The latest crusade?
Our alumni speak!
Applying the scientific method to a model of conflict that leads to arbitration.
This post fact-checked by real Wikipedian patriots.

Wikipedia block

you have blocked my IP from editing on English Wikipedia because of an open proxy, however I have acquired global IP block exempt status, but your block overwrites it, but only sometimes so I would like a local exception as well so I can edit at all times PharaohCrab (talk) 18:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – February 2025

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2025).

Administrator changes

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removed Euryalus

CheckUser changes

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Oversighter changes

removed

Technical news

  • Administrators can now nuke pages created by a user or IP address from the last 90 days, up from the initial 30 days. T380846
  • A 'Recreated' tag will now be added to pages that were created with the same title as a page which was previously deleted and it can be used as a filter in Special:RecentChanges and Special:NewPages. T56145

Arbitration


The Signpost: 7 February 2025

But an open language model is ready to help.
The WMF executive team delivers a new update; plus, the latest EU policy report, good-bye to the German Wikipedia's Café, and other news from the Wikimedia world.
Editor Fathoms Below reminisces over their successful RfA from February 2024.
Plus, reports on the ARBPIA5 case, new concerns over projects targeting Wikipedia editors, John Green gets his sponsor flowers, and other news.
Wikimedians and newbies celebrate 24 years of Wikipedia in the Brooklyn Central Library. Special guests Stephen Harrison and Clay Shirky joined in conversation.
Ending with some bans, and a new set of editing sanctions.
The start of the year was filled with a few unfortunate losses, tragic disasters, emerging tech forces and A LOT of politics.

Proxies and blocks

Hi! I'm trying to do some research involving enwiki block logs. Proxy blocks were, of course, a large percentage of overall blocks, and then they suddenly dropped off last spring. I hear from Izno that this was because your bot, which had been doing a lot of these blocks, turned off. Total blocks went from about a half million per month to about 11,000.

I'm just trying to get a handle on the story behind the bot -- why you created it, how it worked (in basic terms), where the lists of proxies came from, where I might find some relevant discussions about it (like about preemptively blocking proxy IPs), and why you shut it down.

Also a courtesy ping to Slakr who looks to have run a similar bot until 2020.

Much appreciated! — Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:52, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rhododendrites: So while I can't speak for ST47's bot, mine went offline when the server it was on was abruptly yoinked by the dedicated-hosting provider as part of decommissioning a datacenter. Unfortunately I was given little warning and sorta just postponed setting it all back up due to other stresses (and depression) happening in life. When nobody burned down my talk page with urgency, and then when I heard someone else took up the task, I deprioritized it and shelved it, as real-life priorities were of greater importance to me.
As for its genesis in the first place, it arose from a side-wide, constant, difficult-and-time-consuming-to-cleanup, proxy-hopping series of massive vandalism attacks that started a month or so prior to its official BRFA (when it was just me stopping the hemorrhage ASAP by blocking via my account in true WP:IAR fashion). I surmised the troublemakers weren't, themselves, mass-scanning the internet for proxies just to vandalize Wikipedia—that would take a modicum of talent, skill, and/or effort, which usually leads someone away from that path in the first place—and instead they must have been finding proxy lists that were publicly posted and scraping them. So I automated finding those lists preemptively (and dangerously better, bypassing all of those sites' countermeasures to prevent that), while also confirming anything blocked was actually usable at the same time, thereby ensuring the right entry IP and port information was stored in the block messages for admins to later check and verify unblock requests, should the proxy later close and someone be affected by a stale block (which was rare, given initial block durations).
This stopped the attack dead in its tracks, and the rest is history.
With any luck, it's not currently needed at the moment or there's another solution in place, but I do stand at the ready to spin it all back up if ever it recurs and/or if the existing solutions are insufficient for other reasons (e.g., stopping that method of attack had the spillover benefit of also stopping a lot of low-investment sockpuppetry). It's, at worst, a day of work, and I actually do have some spare time now.
So lemme know if that's ever the case via email, talk page, maybe even people like Reedy (who might still know how to contact me via alternate means :P); flood all of them, if you want. I'm not as active as I used to be, but I will 100% drop everything to respond to any emergency like that again, happily.
Cheers =) --slakrtalk / 02:27, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Slakr. I'm trying to wrap my head around the implications for stopping preemptive blocking. Are the lists of proxies still somehow integrated so that, for example, an edit filter might flag if the IP a known proxy? Would we expect to see a surge in vandalism (and vandalism blocks) that would've been preempted? Is it possible we'd see a larger number of people editing while circumventing censorship? Are these efforts helped or hampered by the various project the foundation has cooking regarding anonymity? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:34, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Rhododendrites: I created it because we have seen a persistent pattern of our most sophisticated LTAs (including those who are the most damaging in terms of harassing and stalking contributors) using open proxies to essentially ignore blocks. It worked using a combination of web scraping, port scanning, attempting to access the Wikipedia API via proxies (which returns the IP that Wikipedia sees), and using the block functions in pywikibot. The ways it found lists of proxies are private due to WP:BEANS. Discussions would be in the WP:BRFAs for this bot and ProcseeBot. Finally, I shut it down because it was consuming a large percentage of my NAS' computing resources and generating a large number of talk page complaints and unblock requests, largely because blocking is flawed as a solution to this problem: dynamic IPs mean that block expiration will rarely coincide with an IP stopping to be a proxy, and dialing in that time requires resources to run multiple scanners and a database to facilitate re-checking and unblocking. Unfortunately, WMF has resisted expanding the excellent TorBlock to also use commercially-available threat intelligence feeds from people who are actually qualified to run this kind of scanning, leaving projects vulnerable to block evasion from vandals who can find the right VPN apps. ST47 (talk) 03:45, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In case it is news, User:MolecularBot (BRFA) is being developed by MolecularPilot. When running, it would maintain a list of exit IP addresses used by VPNgate. An admin bot could use that list to block the known proxies. Johnuniq (talk) 05:07, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The coding is all done, all that's needed now is community approval as to the policy for blocking (i.e. how long, which setting etc.), I've been preparing an draft guideline to be sent to WP:VPP for review but it's not done yet and also I need to ask for permission from the WMF to run on Cloud VPS (not tool forge as I can't open vpn connections from there). :) MolecularPilot 🧪️✈️ 05:09, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 27 February 2025

French Wikipedia defends a user against public threats, steward elections, and other news from the Wikimedia world.
"The only time I ever took photos in my entire life".
From patrolling new edits to uploading photos or joining a campaign, you can count on the Wikimedia platform to be up and running — in your language, anywhere in the world. That is, except for a couple of minutes during the equinoctes.
Or just the end of Wikipedia as we know it?
Of "hunters", "busybodies" and "dancers".
User Sennecaster shares her thoughts on her recent RfA and the aspects that might have played a role in making it successful.
What are they? Why are they important? How can we make them better? And what can you do to help?
Liberté, liberté chérie.
Grammys, politics and the Super Bowl.
Straight from the source's mouth. A source is a source, of course, of course!
Turkish linguist wrote about languages and plants; Brazilian informaticist studied Wikimedia projects and education.

Administrators' newsletter – March 2025

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2025).

Administrator changes

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CheckUser changes

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Oversighter changes

removed AmandaNP

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • A new filter has been added to the Special:Nuke tool, which allows administrators to filter for pages in a range of page sizes (in bytes). This allows, for example, deleting pages only of a certain size or below. T378488
  • Non-administrators can now check which pages are able to be deleted using the Special:Nuke tool. T376378

Miscellaneous


!!!

Hi. I demand for Darkgrizs account blocks to be lifted and the user pages to be back.They do not deserve to be blocked and it is okay for them to continue sincr a Darkgriz98 is gone anyway. Spongebob796 (talk) 07:40, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 22 March 2025

It's an ecstasy, my spring.
Let them know what you think!
Read this, then forget all about it.
Life on the Wiki as usual!
And WMF invites multi-year research fund proposals
The Oscars, politics, and death elbow for the most attention.
The photographers are the celebrities!
And very unusual biographical images.
Send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.

Administrators' newsletter – April 2025

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2025).

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readded Moneytrees

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The Signpost: 9 April 2025

Fellow doctor Osama Khalid remains behind bars for "violating public morals" by editing.
Major changes to core content policy, or still-developing plan for new initiative?
Defeat, or just a setback?
Plus: 30-year anniversary of wiki software commemorated.
Our content is free, our infrastructure is not!
What is to be done?
Advice to aspirants: "Read RfA debriefs", including this one.
Rest in peace.
Snow White sinking, Adolescence soaring, spacefarers stranded, this list has it all!
The Wikimedia Foundation's announcement from Diff.
Gadzooks!

Reporting user "180.252.89.254" who keeps adding nonsense and unconfirmed news on "List of Running Man Episodess (2025)" wikipedia page

Hello there. I want to report this user "180.252.89.254", who keeps adding nonsense and unconfirmed news on "List of Running Man Episodess (2025)" wikipedia page.

I was wondering if that user can be blocked for nonsense and unconfirmed edits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/180.252.89.254

thank you. 139.0.217.151 (talk) 06:31, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ip ban

Bonjour, je ne comprends pas pourquoi je suis ban ip, je n'ai jamais rédigé quoi que ce soit sur wikipédia 2A01:E0A:56E:5360:B4AE:D9D1:493C:9C2D (talk) 18:35, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 1 May 2025

As always, Wikimedia community governance relies on user participation; plus, more updates from the Wikimedia world
Scrapers, an Indian lawsuit, and a crash-or-not-crash?
And other new research findings.
And don't bite those newbies!
And don't bite those newbies!
Television dramas, televised sports, film, the Pope, and ... bioengineering at the top of the list?
Community volunteers network among themselves and use technology to counter attacks on information sharing.
A look at some product and tech highlights from the Wikimedia Foundation's Annual Plan (July–December 2024).
Hey! At least it is something!
Zounds!
Would a billion articles be a good idea?
There's a lot more to this than you think.
I wonder about having crats, but decided to become one anyway.
Just beautiful photos!
Rest in Paradise.

Administrators' newsletter – May 2025

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2025).

Administrator changes

added Rusalkii
readded NaomiAmethyst (overlooked last month)
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Interface administrator changes

removed Galobtter

Guideline and policy news

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The Signpost: 14 May 2025

And comment is requested on a privacy whitepaper.
And other courtroom drama.
And how he knows it: all about lawyer letters and editing logs.
Why the language barrier is not the only impediment to navigating sources from another culture.
And QR codes for every page!
When an editor is ready to become staff at a public library (not a brother in a fraternity).
Rest in peace.
The technology behind it, and the other stuff.
Gadzooks!
And more.

Boudhistes

Je tiens à préciser que le bouddhisme n’est pas une secte mais une croyance, je trouve cela offensant de mettre de tel injure dans vos documents que tous le monde peut voir et se faire une fausse idée sur les bouddhistes, merci de corriger cela le plus vite possible 2A04:CEC0:1057:41A9:B120:4A9A:19B5:CD52 (talk) 06:00, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – June 2025

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2025).

Administrator changes

removed

Interface administrator changes

added 0xDeadbeef

CheckUser changes

readded L235

Oversight changes

readded L235

Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC is open to determine whether the English Wikipedia community should adopt a position on AI development by the WMF and its affiliates.

Technical news

Arbitration

  • An arbitration case named Indian military history has been opened. Evidence submissions for this case close on 8 June.

Miscellaneous


Blockage of my IP address

Hello!

I can't for the heck of me not understand why you would block my IP address.

Which I just found out when trying to correct incorrect English to German translations (being a business English certified wiki user I oftentimes can't help but... do so).

If you could either remove this block, or at the very least exain it, I would be very grateful, as it is my opinion that Wikipedia has few enough helpful users as is, without destroying any interest to help keep the facts and or language "correct".

Thank you. 2001:871:263:AD96:CDC1:B860:F15:EB39 (talk) 14:35, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And yet you are able to edit here? Which other IP address do you use? Some IP addresses are blocked due to the presence of proxies or VPN on the IP addresses. We will not be able to evaluate whether the block can be removed without knowing the IP address. – robertsky (talk) 14:43, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK, that did sound quite passive aggressive.
. I might be wrong, if so, I am sorry, but I normally only use my home IP address, unless of course I try to edit something on the way to and from work..
So, if you'd be so kind and explain to me the reasoning behind making it impossible for me to Co tribute, I'd be grateful.
Thoigh my wish to add k ow ledge and grammar is downing rapidly, given the way I have been treated so far.... 2001:871:263:AD96:CDC1:B860:F15:EB39 (talk) 11:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again we need to know the IP address to know why it is blocked. What is the message stated in the block banner? – robertsky (talk) 12:02, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked from editing

Hi you blocked me from editing and I don’t know why. I’ve never edited in bad faith or vandalized. There really is no reason to ban me. It’s one of my great joys, working on Wikipedia and frankly it’s a bit hurtful for you to do this. Could you please tell me why? Thank you Wikitoddia (talk) 06:53, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikitoddia, ST47 has not been editing for a while. I don't see a block on your account. It might be one of the IP addresses that you were on that's blocked, typically for having a proxy or VPN active on it. You may read more about the guidelines here: WP: OPENPROXY. – robertsky (talk) 01:34, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 24 June 2025

Admins arrested in Belarus.
Pardon our alliteration!
A get-out-of-jail card!
And other new research publications.
Holy men and not-as-holy movies.
Get your self-nomination in by July 2nd!
After two years RuWiki fails to thrive.
With some sweet-and-sour sauce!
Every thing you need to know about the Wikimedia Foundation?
Egad!

Administrators' newsletter – July 2025

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2025).

Administrator changes

removed NuclearWarfare

Interface administrator changes

added L235

Guideline and policy news

Miscellaneous

  • The 2025 Developing Countries WikiContest will run from 1 July to 30 September. Sign up now!
  • Administrator elections will take place this month. Administrator elections are an alternative to RFA that is a gentler process for candidates due to secret voting and multiple people running together. The call for candidates is July 9–15, the discussion phase is July 18–22, and the voting phase is July 23–29. Get ready to submit your candidacy, or (with their consent) to nominate a talented candidate!

Thanks

Thanks for all the time you have invested in being a checkuser, and for all the tools and scripts you have developed to help us all be more effective. I will miss you on the team. Risker (talk) 22:12, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Change to the CheckUser team, July 2025

The Arbitration Committee acknowledges the resignation of ST47 (talk · contribs) from the CheckUser team and thanks them for their service.

On behalf of the Committee, Sdrqaz (talk) 00:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Change to the CheckUser team, July 2025
Thank you, ST47, for all of the knowledge, common sense and experience you brought to the job. You will be missed! Liz Read! Talk! 01:26, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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