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Hello Nthep,
I see a warning to talk to you before I attempt to create another draft biographical article named Isaak Dore. The page was deleted previously for copyright of a slu.edu biographical site about Isaak Dore. I actually wrote both pages (the draft Isaak Dore article and the slu.edu source) as Isaak Dore, a now retired former professor of mine, asked me to write him an updated biography since he did not feel comfortable doing so himself. I did not think about copyright at the time when I submitted, since I wrote both pages. The article I want to create will be a biographical article, as I think it would be nice for him to have a biographical article on Wikipedia now that he is retired. Obviously, it will be redrafted as different as I can make it from the slu.edu source, but since they are both biographical in nature, I am afraid it will still be somewhat similar (although, not identical or copy and paste in accordance with the copyright rules). Am I allowed to attempt to draft this article again?
Thanks in advance. Charlzs (talk) 23:28, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
@Charlzs Thanks for declaring your conflict of interest. I've looked at the latest draft and although there's a considerable overlap with the slu.edu page it's on the acceptable side as most of it is job titles and publication titles which can't be avoided. What's totally lacking at the moment are any sources other than slu.edu. Without those, there's no way the draft is going to be accepted. Nthep (talk) 10:06, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the feedback! I will try and find as many sources/citations as I can before I submit the draft for review. Charlzs (talk) 11:57, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
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Hi Nthep, is it permissible to undo the revdel on the draft as the pages that were copied from are now licenced under CC BY-SA 4.0 and the GFDL? (For reference, 123 and 4 is the source material) — Tenshi! (Talk page) 19:19, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
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Hi. What should one do if a revdel template is added to an article, but it turns out that there is no copyright violation (for example, the overlap with the source is because the source copied the Wikipedia content at some point)? Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:23, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
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Norman Frederick Astbury (NFA) link to William Thomas Astbury (WTA)
Dear Nthep - Thank you for putting hyperlinks into the Info Boxes on the entries for these two individuals, connecting them as brothers. The page for NFA currently carries a template saying that the content is over-reliant on primary sources of for validation. Please can you let me know if the comment in WTA’s entry ‘Astbury also had a younger brother, Norman, with whom he shared a love of music’ could be used as a tertiary source of validation for the references in NFA’s Personal Life to NFA’s involvement with music as a pastime? Kestrel2Zero (talk) 06:14, 1 August 2025 (UTC)Kestrel2Zero
@Kestrel2Zero No, as it's uncited in the article on WTA. The article on NFA has me wondering about something else. Like both of them I went to Longton High and one of the school houses was called Astbury. I've always assumed it was named after William but now I'm wondering if it might have been after Norman. Nthep (talk) 09:43, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
Dear Nthep
Thank you so much for your feedback.
My understanding is that Astbury House at Longton High School was named after John Astbury (1688-1743) a successful potter and local benefactor. So there is quite possibly a family connection but not directly with either of the brothers WTA or NFA.
On a separate Potteries-related note, I have asked Lucideon if they can provide any further clarification of the copyright status of the photo of the old BCRA headquarters at Penkhull.
@Kestrel2Zero the house is definitely named for William, his name and picture were in the stained glass window at the school showing all the house and who they were named for. Nthep (talk) 14:34, 9 August 2025 (UTC)
Wow! Thank you so much for this first hand account. I am delighted to have my earlier (mis)understanding corrected. WTA was certainly an individual worthy of that honour.
On a separate issue, I seem to have run into a bit of a brick wall on the photo of the BCRA Headquarters in Penkhull. As you may have seen from the Teahouse or the Talk Page, Lucideon gave their permission on 07.08.25 to use the photo as follows:
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Our Dear Nigel,
Please accept my apologies for the delayed reply.
I had looked in to the issue to the Penkhull photo copyright previously but wanted to double check to ensure that there are no misunderstandings and that you have the definitive answer to your query.
I can confirm that the Penkhull photo was taken by a member of the company which means that Lucideon owns the copyright. As you know , Lucideon has given you permission to use the photograph with attribution. Perhaps you just need to add to the photo: ‘Copyright Lucideon. Used with permission from Lucideon’.
I see that the photo has been removed from the page and I assume that this is connected with the enquiry.
As to the point about relying too much on primary sources, in the world of research , primary sources are excellent and the source of original data. I think that because of the way that Wikipedia works, they like to have corroboration from other sources .
I hope this helps.
It’s great to see your project come to fruition and to see your father’s achievements collated.
We still come across , and refer to, his work and it’s so nice to now know more about him.
Kind regards,
Karen
Karen Sutcliffe
Library and Digital Support Officer
(Redacted)
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www.lucideon.com
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Unfortunatelly, if we were to use the photo I understand that Wikipedia would require Lucideon themselves to complete the relevant declaration. I don’t understand the form form I’ve looked at on the Wikipedia website and I am hesitant anyway about bothering Lucideon with it because firstly I am not confident I could explain it and secondly they have spent so much time helping with this project, I would be embarrassed to ask them for further assistance. It will be a shame not to use the photo, not least as we have Lucideon’s valid permission and it is highly relevant to the text concerned. Any suggestions you may have would be most welcome.
@Kestrel2Zero: They're not understanding and the permission they've given isn't sufficient to use the image as previously explained. It's a lost cause and the "simpler" solution is for someone to take their own photo of the building and upload that. Nthep (talk) 21:04, 9 August 2025 (UTC)
Hi Nthep
Thanks for taking the trouble to reply; I understand that we have reached the point where it is indeed a lost cause. Sadly I no longer have friends or family in the area having left some 60 years ago. But I can see taking a new photo is the only practical solution. Thanks again.
