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Speedy deletion nomination of Rowan Ford rape and murder
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Speedy deletion nomination of Murder of Kandee Martin
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Speedy deletion nomination of 1992 Dayton Christmas murders
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Hi, Sculture65 here. I noted that you had also contributed the major crimes in Singapore but I also helped out in improvement for consistencies reasons. I also suggested a proposal for this table form because it is much more neat and less wording, just a brief summary will do. I have amended some of the context already for improvement, next time just stick to it.
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Hi Nelson. Please remember to add the following: {{DEFAULTSORT:(Article subjects surname), (Article subjects first name)}} at the bottom of each page you create for any American related Wikipedia article. For example, for your recent Jason Thornburg article it would be: {{DEFAULTSORT:Thornburg, Jason}} For any article titled "Murder of" it should also follow this format for the individual, such as for the Murder of Traci Crozier article it would be: {{DEFAULTSORT:Crozier, Traci}}. Thanks. Inexpiable (talk) 21:43, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Murder of Farah Fratta
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Speedy deletion nomination of Lewis Eugene Gilbert
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Assistance needed with death penalty-related articles
Hello! Let me just say that I'm a fan of the numerous quality articles you've made on the topic of the death penalty, a topic I'm very passionate about myself. This subsequently leads me to why I'm writing you to ask for help.
Recently, I got a subscription for Newspapers.com and made numerous clippings for a big group of serial killers that fall into one of two categories - 1. either have articles that are of lesser quality in comparison to others (i.e. Danny Barber, Michael Lee Lockhart, Daniel Lee Corwin, etc.) or 2. don't have articles at all even though they are notable in their own right (ex. Gerald Pizzuto, Henry Eugene Hodges and Jack Trawick).
As you can tell, most of these cases I've mentioned here are death penalty cases, so my request is the following - since it seems like you're making articles about important death penalty cases, would you mind helping me either properly update or create the articles for some of these cases? I'm willing to provide you with all the necessary sources if need be, and can even get clippings from newspaper articles that are not SK-related for some of your other articles if you'd like. (I've noticed this in some of the articles such as the Murder of John Edwards.)
If you're too busy or not interested, that is fine, I still appreciate that you took the time to read this. Cheers, and I hope you're having a wonderful time for the holidays! Haunted Spy (talk) 17:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
@Haunted Spy. Hello, it's me, Nelson. I am glad to know that you enjoy reading some of my works. I have read through your message, and I am open to helping you to create some of those cases, provided that I could find plentiful sources to back up my writing. I can help you improve some of the things you have done so far. Let me take the time to look through the cases you mention and also to find sources before I proceed with the article creation.
I will try my utmost best to fork out some time to do the task, because I am now in compulsory military service, which will take two years to complete, and my writing is kinda slower than expected, which made me draftiy some of my upcoming works out of necessity instead of completing the whole thing prior to publication like I usually would do.
I also greatly appreciate the help you can offer for the sources I cannot get access to, including the Newspapers.com thing, which I cannot subscribe to, because I have some difficulties looking for archived news sources in some of the works I did before (like Murder of Kandee Martin and Murders of Floyd and Vera Hill, plus the older capital cases from Mississippi, Tennessee and Texas etc.), and Google Books itself did not turn up the results I sought for those articles in source citation research.
Glad to hear it and thank you for the well-wishes. If there's any case that you need help with in regards to resources, feel free to mention it on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as possible. Haunted Spy (talk) 05:37, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
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Speedy deletion nomination of Murder of Lori Smith
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Speedy deletion nomination of Murder of Raymond Fife
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I don't believe that adding a page for every single person executed or scheduled to be executed is appropriate. It clogs up Wikipedia and not every person executed are prominent enough for a Wikipedia page. Articles are generally reserved for high-profile cases or extremely egregious offenders like serial killers that make them more notable than other murderers.
Also, when writing articles, select the title to be centred on what is most well known. For example, the Soda Farm murderers aren't prominent in themselves but the murderer in that case is more prominent.
I second this too. No need to document each and every single murderer ever put to death or scheduled to be put to death - just the ones that are notable in some way or are, as Dashing put it, extremely egregious offenders. Haunted Spy (talk) 17:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
Sure. I understand your POVs. Thank you for the advice. And pardon me if it perplexed you over my recent creations, and I seek your understanding.
Personally, for me, I have my own assessment on what cases can be written, it depends on the coverage and yeah, the notability of that crime per the guidelines it fall into. There was no definite formula for this but I would look through the case before seeing if it can be published. Depends on the circumstances of the case too, like the type of victims, or whether it contain some elements like rape, arson or robbery or kidnapping.
Plus, I am also interested in death penalty cases as a supporter of capital punishment. I tend to prefer to write cases of single, double or less commonly, triple victims compared to those with four or more victims or the kind of multistate murders because these are less complicated, but I am open to creating those with multiple victims. Still, I appreciate your advices even though I have my opinions on this matter, will try to refrain myself a little. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 23:50, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi Nelson. I too agree with the above, they are both right. I have thought about messaging you about this previously. I am usually an inclusionist when it comes to Wikipedia, but I don't think every single executed person needs an article, in fact I think it's a bad thing if they do. I would say what you have already created should remain as I don't believe in deleting hard work but try and really judge each case individually before deciding if it warrants an article. If there was nothing all that notable about the murder or the aftermath of it then it probably shouldn't exist on Wikipedia. Inexpiable (talk) 20:25, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
For example, Joseph Edward Corcoran is a clearly notable article because he was Indiana's first execution in over 15 years and committed multiple murders over several years. Same with Freddie Eugene Owens in South Carolina, that's also notable. However, the other South Carolina related cases you've created probably aren't, unless they select an alternative execution method to lethal injection. But what's done is done, you've created them so I think they should remain, I don't believe in deleting peoples hard work, just be aware of this going forward when creating more pages. Inexpiable (talk) 20:30, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
@Inexpiable, your message comes at a quite low point of time on my side and comforted my mood a little, considering I myself and some guys just recently got threatened by a newcomer who engaged some edit war and revert some edits of our works, and even brought up threats of legal retribution in our talk pages (which I reverted but still in the history) for posting photos of victims (you will know what happen once you check it up). NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 00:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Murders of Harold and Joey Pugh
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Hi, I saw many of your articles about murder cases in Malaysia and I have read all of them. You have done a good job on these articles. I have a suggestion that if you create a page on the 1999 murder of Audrey Melissa Bathinathan which is also one of the unsolved murders in Malaysia. I also have found some news articles of her murder on Google Search. Thank you in advance. Fandi89 (talk) 03:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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Hello, how are you? Send me the basics and tutorials for creating and editing Wikipedia articles on my talk page. I am honored to be your friend. Shall we be friends? (VVWiki8 (talk) 10:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC))
@VVWiki8. Ok, here's a guide to how you can do the job. For creating, look through this: Help:Your first article, they got the steps you can take to create what you wanna write about. Alternatively, you can search with the title of an article you wish to start, and click on the red link and create the content in the text space. Editing wise, you can press on the button "edit source" (computer version) or the pencil icon (mobile version).
Take note, you need to cite the content with reliable sources with verifiable content. For example: newspapers, official documents (i mean the accessible ones), court documents, television shows, scholar essays, and many more.
It takes time but you will get the hang of it with experience and improvement.
@NelsonLee20042020. Nice to meet you. And I want to be friends with you. Will you be my friend? I like forward thinking. But I am currently contributing to the Uzbek Wikipedia. Thank you. Happy editing! (VVWiki8 (talk) 10:37, 19 January 2025 (UTC))
Good! So you agree to be my friend? Tell me English Wikipedia admins never get tired, "how many times vandalism happens here every day" is there any statistics or tracking on this? Thank you. Happy editing! (VVWiki8 (talk) 10:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC))
Thank you. I wish you good luck in your work. Excuse me, I want to address you with another question, apart from the English Wikipedia, which other language Wikipedias do you participate in? Thank you. Happy editing! (VVWiki8 (talk) 14:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC))
Good. Nice to meet you. When or how old did you become interested in Wikipedia? My interest in Wikipedia began when I was 15 years old, on July 30, 2023. You know, if you know the rules and regulations of Wikipedia, you can do whatever you want (article, editing)! Wikipedia is a wonderful, endless bastion of happiness. To me, Wikipedia has given me my outlook, my spirit, my inspiration, and I am always here. what about you Thank you. Happy editing! (VVWiki8 (talk) 15:12, 19 January 2025 (UTC))
I am a bit privacy for this, so pardon me for talking too less about myself. Anyways, the interest began a long way back for me as a reader since young, and I started to become a editor a few years back. It is my first time talking about this to another fellow editor by the way, but I was reminded of the first times I had as an editor. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 01:31, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
and a piece of advice. You can have times where you have conflict with others in opinion and sometimes there can be very bad encounters, like personal attacks. Hope you can be careful. I myself had gone through it a few times, and one of them recently just occurred to me and some other guys but for now, the dust is settled. It can be quite distressing in those moments, and I understand that feeling.
I am not the best advice provider here but in these cases, normally, you can try your best to have discussions with those who have different opinions and willing to have peaceful discussion with you, for some particularly bad ones like harassment, try to ignore or maybe speak up, depending on the circumstances.
You don't need to apologize. I'm also here to make Wikipedia the world's largest source of information (all contributors except me, this is the goal, there may be other goals). Are you referring to vandalism or other behavior? Thank you. Happy editing! (VVWiki8 (talk) 02:14, 20 January 2025 (UTC))
@Robertsky. the article I found, turns out they have a different Chinese spelling: 江毓薇 (Jiang Yuwei) rather than the 江雨惠 (Jiang Yuhui) inside the article; the Chinese name 江雨惠 is more commonly used in the Chinese newspapers from Singapore and other countries. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 02:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
how are you I know you like Wikipedia, do you know what to pay attention to when creating an article on Wikipedia? Thank you. Happy editing! (VVWiki8 (talk) 14:10, 26 January 2025 (UTC))
about this. You need to know what kind of sources you should cite and must also make sure if they were reliable or not. For me, my habit is to search for sources and get how many of them before you start on the topic you wish to cover in Wikipedia, because sometimes the number of sources could define the level of notability in terms of coverage.
You have to post info that is based on the source and also verifiable. Do not put in original research, and make sure you maintain a objective stance or encyclopedic writing. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 23:05, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
Pizzuto
He was sentenced to 28 years and six months for the murder of Jones and 41 years and one month for the murder of Drury.
Speedy deletion nomination of Christopher Sepulvado
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I agree that Ford's case merits an article (as does Sepulvado). However I believe that since all of the case's notability is from the murderer it should bee titled James Dennis Ford. Additionally, it should mention he's a suspected serial killer and his other 2 suspected victims (who's bodies were never found). Dashing24 (talk) 20:21, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
@Dashing24. Good morning. I understand your pov. How about we start a move discussion and see if we can get what others think before we consider moving? (just woke up from bed by the way) NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 21:44, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
@Dashing24. For me, I am fine with the moving but I do not remember seeing anywhere that mentioned he killed two more people apart from Greg and Kimberly Malnory. So for now, I would still keep it as it is. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 21:58, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
I think the article name is fine as it is. I usually prefer the victim's name to be used over the murderer's unless it's a serial or spree killer who killed multiple people. Inexpiable (talk) 10:40, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Here is a source that Ford is the prime suspect in the murder of his cousin and her daughter. The source adds that he's further suspected of a 1984 murder.
That separate double murder is still a cold case as bodies haven't been found however I still believe it is fair to add that Ford is the main suspect in those murders. Dashing24 (talk) 17:00, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Please add at least one source verifying this person's identity and crime or this could be seen as violating BLP guidelines. Given what your article states, it shouldn't be difficult to find a reference to this capital crime. Thank you. LizRead!Talk!03:47, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
@Davidgoodheart, I will chip in to help you with it as much as I can, but currently I had lots of stuff going on and I also did not have much time editing Wikipedia, even though I got a draft article Murder of Escolastica Harrison and another unpublished crime article on the way. Don't worry about it, but I will still help when I can come in. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 20:12, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
@Davidgoodheart, I added the confederate prisoners of war in the List of people who disappeared mysteriously: pre-1910, because based on the source and info, they are still missing and unaccounted for. And yeah, you can reply to me under this message because in mobile and Web version, it's getting harder to read your messages since they are becoming letter by letter and vertically thinner as you scroll down with the phone and computer. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 00:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
@NelsonLee20042020: Don't feel you have to help this guy Nelson and do his work for him, he could have just added these entries himself rather than asking you to do it and it probably would have taken him less time to do it anyway. A long never ending list (that is far too long as it is) is not worth spending time working on. Users like this you're better off avoiding, they're just annoying and don't contribute to the site in a meaningful way, they just clog it up with unnecessary pointless edits and information and I don't like seeing nice people like yourself be taken advantage of by people like him. Just my two cents. Inexpiable (talk) 22:33, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
@Inexpiable: For your information I do LOTS to contribute to Wikipedia in VERY meaningful ways and I have stated before that I have so much editing to do as well as other things that there is no way that I could get this done all by myself and am very thankful for the help that I get. I have now added the entry myself also. A list like that is very meaningful and viewed so much by so many people. While you have only made over 32,000 edits, I have made over 100,000 edits and am #456 of the most active 4000 Wikipedians as well, while you are only #3726 on that list. Setting the record straightDavidgoodheart (talk) 18:14, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
@Davidgoodheart: Yes and you've been mocked repeatedly over the years by multiple users. I remember this particular instance well: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fugitives from justice who are no longer sought, still read it back and have a chuckle now and then. I remember it was used as an example of a terrible Wikipedia article and mocked repeatedly on an external criticism site. I prefer quality over quantity my friend. You think over 100,000 edits means a thing? All the edits you make are pointless and you've been mocked repeatedly for that also, remember this: [[2]]. You even made 11 edits just to respond to me here lmao.....
When was the last time you actually created an article? All you do is make the most mundane/pointless edits in what seems to be an attempt to just boost your edit count number. Your 100,000+ edits means nothing buddy when it takes you 11 edits to respond to 1 comment... Quality over Quantity always. 100,000 useless edits means nothing. Why don't you create some actual articles and contribute in a more productive way rather than getting others to do your obsessive editing for you just to satisfy your ego. Good day pal. Inexpiable (talk) 21:07, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
@Inexpiable: I have been called a great editor by people, have been thanked by many people for the edits that I have made, I am the main reason why the missing peoples, unsolved murders and unsolved deaths lists are so massive right now and you say all my edits are useless?! I find that VERY insulting and totally untrue as well. Davidgoodheart (talk) 04:19, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
@NelsonLee20042020: I didn't think that asking you for help with adding entries when I spend most of the hours of my day editing Wikipedia and I find it very hard to to all this by myself was taking advantage of you. I am now reluctant to ask for your for help again, and have added about 11 entries to the missing people's list all by myself in the last few days. Please let me know if you are still willing to help me or not. Davidgoodheart (talk) 23:25, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
@Davidgoodheart. I do not mind helping you once in a while but for now, I got a lot of stuff going on now and I have to prioritize them first, including the articles I have on the way. My apologies if I cannot help you out at times when you need it. Plus, I get your situation too. You can help me in return too if it's within your ability. Thank you for the message by the way, and I hope you can understand my side. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 04:46, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
plus I know Inexpiable meant well in spite of the argument, which I believe you guys should resolve too. Can't afford to let you become enemies over my matter. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 04:50, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
@NelsonLee20042020 It's not because of you I have fallen out with this guy Nelson, I have had a long issue with him for many years and dislike how he behaves on Wikipedia because I personally don't think he is contributing to the site in a meaningful or good way and it aggravates me how I've seen him harass multiple users (myself included) to help him add a bunch of entries to really long pointless lists. He could spend his time on here being so much more productive and creating new articles about unsolved disappearances or murders, but instead he prioritizes editing such trivial things, probably because he can't actually be bothered to do any hard work like researching information to create a new well written article. I find it funny how he immediately went silent and backtracked after I pointed out to him all the articles I've created recently. He has harassed myself, Haunted Spy, and many other users to assist in editing lists and he's still doing this years later it seems, which is why I said something. His conduct on Wikipedia aggravates me, and he is not a helpful editor in my opinion. But I'm not going to waste any more time arguing with him. Inexpiable (talk) 08:51, 20 February 2025 (UTC)
^Henze, Layers of Time, pp. 254f. Bahru Zewde identifies Genetta Leul palace as the present Administration building of Addis Ababa University, in Sddst Kilo (A History, p. 214).
^Dvorchak, Robert J.; Holewa, Lisa (1992). Milwaukee Massacre: Jeffrey Dahmer and the Milwaukee Murders. New York City: Dell Publishing. ISBN 978-0-7090-5003-2. Archived from the original on April 12, 2023. Retrieved March 21, 2023.
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Until Sepulvado's execution actually goes ahead I would say the case is NOT notable enough yet for Wikipedia. Perhaps it can remain in draft for the time being, but it is extremely unclear yet whether his execution will go ahead. Inexpiable (talk) 20:36, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
@Inexpiable. I get where you are coming from. I was thinking about asking for your help with finding old newspaper articles from the 1990s about the trial and murder of Sepulvado's stepson, from newspapers.com because I cannot access or subscribe it for some reasons. Perhaps it can be a great help to me if you can chip in for a bit. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 21:53, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
Though, I not sure if you have a subscription. Haunted Spy got say I can ask him but now his subscription is expired so I could not seek his assistance. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 21:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
Unfortunately mine expired last month and I have decided not to renew it as I am less active on here than I once was and at creating articles but in the future if I decide to get it I will help out if I can. Inexpiable (talk) 22:05, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
Probably can be published actually as he was nearly executed in 2013. I would go ahead and publish the article, there's enough coverage for notability here. Inexpiable (talk) 17:58, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
@Inexpiable. I am now adding in the details. About the other Louisiana guy, Jessie Hoffman Jr., I am thinking about writing his case (provided if I can find more sources) but might prioritise either the ones in draftspace or branch out on the female death row inmates first (I am thinking about advancing a couple of them that interest me). NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 01:51, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
Go for it then. Label the article as his name rather than "Murder of (victim's name)" because predominantly his notability comes from him being Louisiana's first execution in over 15 years. Although I am still doubtful the execution will go ahead as I'm sure some judge will step in, however, it seems he is likely to be first in line if and when executions do eventually return in Louisiana. Inexpiable (talk) 17:40, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
According to my talk page (at the time of this writing), you asked me if I could help you find from the locked archived news sources about Hoffman's case updates in the 1990s, like from newspapers.com. At the time of this writing, I do not have a subscription to said website, so I cannot (at the time of this writing) help you with that. Sorry. Heart of Destruction (talk) 20:30, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for that edit. Insightful what Ivey said: "There is also other circumstantial evidence, but it is riddled with conflicting evidence from seemingly everyone involved. In short, I am not convinced that Mr. Myers is innocent, but I am not so convinced of his guilt as to approve of his execution." I guess that's something... Drmies (talk) 22:36, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
I have met with people who've spent decades in jail, unjustly, and there's plenty of people who were on death row unjustly, of course. COI: I have a friend who's a lawyer working for an organization that advocates for some of them, and got a few of them off. I can never support it. Thanks for updating that list, thought--that's actually real work, and you probably don't get a lot of credit for it. ;) Drmies (talk) 22:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
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Hi Nelson. Not sure what articles you have planned going forward but I would personally say that currently (as of March 10, 2025), the remaining people currently scheduled for execution for 2025 do not need articles as their cases aren't notable enough. Maybe Nichols is the only one I would consider, however, until Tennessee actually resumes executions, I would hold off on creating a page for him. It's best that not every person executed in 2025 gets an article, only the more notable ones, otherwise it gets clogged up as previous users have commented. We want the more notable cases to stand out. Regards. Inexpiable (talk) 22:19, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
@Inexpiable. Sure, I will see what to do, you have a point. Frankly speaking, I did notice Nichols and certain interesting death penalty cases (these people are not facing execution as of now) and was tempted to write them. Thank you for the advice by the ways. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 22:28, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
A good article to write about would be on Marcus Donte Reed, convicted and sentenced to death in Caddo Parish, Louisiana, who murdered three brothers, by lying-in-wait outsider their home and shooting them, after he thought they had stolen his X-Box. Dashing24 (talk) 16:28, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
The title is not fitting for the article since there have been many double murders in Tulsa County, and I suspect more than one in 1999. The title is not easily identifiable. Also, the case is primarily notable for defendant John Fitzgerald Hanson, after the Biden administration refused to transfer him, a first in the history of the modern Post-Furman American death penalty (it's also unusual that a state death row inmate would have ever been in federal custody for lesser charges. Multiple other inmates like Eugene Clemmons and Walter Moody had federal convictions but were still on state death row). Accordingly, I simply suggest the article should be renamed John Fitzgerald Hanson for that reason as the title should reflect what's prominent about the case - here that's Hanson himself. Dashing24 (talk) 09:29, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
@Dashing24. I heard you out. I am fine with moving the page after seeing your explanations. Still, it cannot be overlooked that Victor Miller also shared a considerable degree of culpability behind the killings and his role is not small too, even though Hanson's role overshadowed his at a greater extent. So I would alternatively move the page to Murders of Mary Bowles and Jerald Thurman, if you are okay with it. To me, we can give greater emphasis to Hanson but need to balance out the content with the presence of Miller as well.
By the way, I tried searching if there are other double murder cases in the region but my searches turned up little to nothing, so I thought it can be used at this stage, until you gave me an undeniable rebuttal worth considering. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 10:06, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
I get that Miller had culpability in the murders but this isn't what I'm talking about. Multiple death row inmates who had accomplices had the article named after them and the accomplice mentioned in a section. It's Hanson, not Miller, who's notable. I don't think Bowles-Thurman murder is suitable because their murders also weren't notable in themselves - Hanson himself is notable that's why the article needs to be changed. The lead can be adapted to be more centered around Hanson and Miller gets his section. A recent example is Kenneth Eugene Smith, the first nitrogen hypoxia execution. Although Smith had multiple accomplices - one who got LWOP and one who got death - the article was named after Smith since he was notable (and the accomplices were mentioned in their crime section). Regardless, just referencing Tulsa County double murder or Bowles-Thurman murders is simply too vague and lacking of prominence. Dashing24 (talk) 12:53, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
@Dashing24, I know your point and fully understood your point of view. It's just that I am concerned about not able to balance out the focus of the case on Miller, given that he was also an accomplice of Hanson, who was undeniably the prominent subject and indeed captured the center of notability, but it is a bit hard to reduce the content to ensure Miller's case fully fit into the article if we create an article about Hanson, which was why I prefer to write it out as a murder case rather than focusing on an article about Hanson himself. Regardless, I am open to discussing with you the options too, because you made valid points.
How about we start a move discussion with other editors and see their opinions first before we make a final decision? I am fine with it. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 14:20, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
I'm willing to do that. Also apparently on the guy's Indian Citizenship card says George John Fitzgerald Hanson. Dashing24 (talk) 07:52, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
@Dashing24. Besides, the guy also had the name "George John Hanson", and early sources addressed him by the name and relegated "John Fitzgerald Hanson" as his alias. I assumed it was his birth name. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 10:32, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
Michael Anthony Tanzi
Hay man was wondering could you finish draft on Michael Anthony Tanzi and move to mainspace i saw you had create skill making pages and i believe you can make this one too. Have a good day. DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 01:56, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
You made articles of some death row inmates were less notable then him and thats okay. I think him being murderer in two states and that he killed before committing murder in Florida is notable enough to make a page, knowing you had good skills to make a page you probably can find more info then i know. DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 14:42, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
When did Tanzi kill another person in another state? I think you're confusing him with another murderer. I personally don't think Tanzi should get an article we don't want to overclog the page, we should reserve it for more notable cases. Benjamin Ritchie is more deserving of an article as he featured in two documentaries with Trevor McDonald. Inexpiable (talk) 10:53, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
@Inexpiable:. The Ritchie case I am currently looking through. Might create it in a short time but need time because his claims of the disorder looks complicated and I might wanna look through. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 11:02, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
You can create articles for both of them you guys had great skills to create pages you could make good articles there is no need to limit how many articles are made DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 11:14, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
HI there sorry to bother you again was just wondering do you mind me editing few of your drafts and trying helping out or should i leave it to you all? Have a good one. DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 23:19, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
It's okay. Just a couple of cop killings, mass murder and child murder in the United States. Considering one or two China death penalty cases NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 02:45, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
Mendoza case is interesting one, you be making similar articles without issue have no doubt it will be good in the end especially if he gets executed in the end as expected. DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 03:04, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
Plus, Drafts that were unedited can usually last for six months before they are automatically deleted, so as long as you continue editing and did not leave it unedited for more than six months, and publish it once you are done, the article will remain. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 02:49, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
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Ok sure. Let me find the available ones. I'm currently editing the case of Benjamin Ritchie but gonna chip in. Thanks for the edits by the way NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 14:26, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
Thank you man i know that you are focused on editing case of Benjamin Ritchie and rightfully so, sorry for interrupting and thanks again. DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 14:29, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
do not worry. i appreciate your help by the way. i forgotten about my draft on the case of Mendoza, but glad that you come in to help out. Will come to edit the rest of the draft as soon as I can. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 14:32, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
Hey Nelson just popping to say thank for making article for Benjamine Ritchie it looks great as always, would you mind after you finished to clean up and edit Mendoza one his execution is tonight and if executed it could be more noteworthy, thank you and sorry for pestering, DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 15:36, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for the acknowledgement. It's getting late so I can do it tomorrow at the earliest (the time on my side is roughly 12 hours ahead with Texas, perhaps more). Thank you for the help you chipped in by the way. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 15:41, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
Thank i appreciate you taking time to do it seems i was more nuisance to you then help my bad i will try not to hinder much stuff next time, thanks again and good night to you. DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 15:57, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
Hi Nelson thank you again for making articles regarding Benjamin Ritchie and Mendoza cases, could you now pls make one for Michael Anthony Tanzi i think we started talking about this before there is already draft of it, he have interesting case especially since he is double state murderer and considering your ability to make good articles i have no doubt this one will good as well, thank you sorry for bothering and all the best (i will edit :Draft:List of people executed by electrocution meanwhile). DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 21:53, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
@DarkHorseMayhem, I am pasting a link to the draft of the case. You can go edit it. For now I am prioritising my drafts and the cases I gonna create but of course I can chip in to help. Feel free to seek advice when have any doubts. Good night.
You may also take this opportunity to improve your writing and build your confidence in making good articles. I myself got obstacles here and there in my early years as a Wikipedian but eventually pulled through. I believe you can too. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 15:51, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
If i did first and you second it will be more difficult they you doing only or first cause you will need fix all stuff i write most likely like before. DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 15:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
@DarkHorseMayhem, it's okay to make mistakes. Wikipedia is also about collaborative effort and editors can update info or rectify any errors. It takes time and effort for you to improve your writing, and confronting your mistakes is a way to challenge and improve yourself.
Don't take it the wrong way. I am not criticising you, but wanting to encourage you as a fellow editor, and make you improve, and have confidence in yourself as well.
Don't worry, you will get better gradually with time and effort. Be confident that you will get through this, and many of us likely gone through the same process like you. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 23:10, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
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1) The article "Murder of Janet Acosta", if it's to exist, needs to focus on Tanzi since he's more prominent and a suspected serial killer with at least one other confirmed victim and another suspected one.
2) If you are making new articles, including in non-prominent cases like Shockley, perhaps consider articles on Blaine Milam and Michael Bell. Milam is prominent and although Bell isn't prominent, he was convicted of five murders so I think his case merits an article. Dashing24 (talk) 16:30, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
I'll see what to do. Milam is an interesting subject because of the controversy surrounding his alleged intellectual disabilities and the long legal fight against his execution. Bell is also someone I wish to write because of his serial killer status but unfortunately, little to no media coverage is made about his arrest, trial and conviction (Inexpiable informed me this when he tried help me find articles). I might need to wait till more sources come out once I decide to create his article. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 23:42, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
The Tanzi case, I will review it soon, see if I can make any changes. By the way, it was another user who made major contributions to the article before moving it to mainspace. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 23:57, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
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