User talk:Miniapolis/Archives/2013/December

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Why was this page deleted? It was written with a neutral POV, had numerous appropriate sources, etc... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99Legend (talk • contribs) 17:26, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Please see WP:NOTPROMOTION. Your contributions under this username—I suspect there may be others—(except for a couple of userpage edits) have been exclusively arguments to keep this article in a number of deletion discussions. You seem to have a conflict of interest with the article's subject, and WP frowns on autobiographies. When the article's subject meets WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO (see WP:VRS), you can request creation unprotection. Miniapolis 18:18, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipin_Brar#cite_note-2

Vipin Brar has not done anything substantial to be given space on wikipedia, he has no contribution for veterinary profession . The citation are not showing his involvement in any matter. Kindly review and delete his webpage. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.149.162.192 (talk) 00:16, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm watching WP:BLPN. Miniapolis 02:03, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Miniapolis:

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for your help in creating/expediting the appearance of the "biomimetic Synthesis" article. The redirects of searches to Bionics were off-point, and so made this timely addition an important Chemistry task. Cheers. LeProf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.179.92.36 (talk) 02:01, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Glad to help. All the best, Miniapolis 02:16, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

		The Most Excellent Order of the Caretaker's Star
		This barnstar is awarded to Miniapolis for copy edits totaling over 100,000 words as part of the GOCE November 2013 copy edit drive. Thanks for the voluminous work! – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:00, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

		Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Articles, 3rd Place
		This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Miniapolis for copyediting 28 articles during the GOCE November Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:10, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

		Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Words, 4th Place
		This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Miniapolis for copyediting 63,005 words during the GOCE November Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:10, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

		Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: 5K Articles, 4th Place
		This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Miniapolis for copyediting 2 long articles during the GOCE November Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:10, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

		Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Oldest Articles, 3rd Place
		This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Miniapolis for copyediting 24 old articles during the GOCE November Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:10, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hello Miniapolis: First, thanks for contributing to the current AfC drive. Just a heads up that on your log page here, the diffs for when you reviewed articles need to be denoted. Per the main Backlog Elimination Drive page, it states "Because submissions can be reviewed more than once, when you have completed a review, please provide a link to the "oldid" of the accept or decline edit you made." I figured I'd let you know about this now, before your list gets longer! Cheers, Northamerica1000^(talk) 07:32, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! All the best, Miniapolis 14:40, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Sure thing. Happy editing, Northamerica1000^(talk) 15:01, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	Well the articles in much better shape now than ever before, all thanks to you. Thanks. Soham 11:01, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Not all thanks to me :-), but thanks! Glad to help. Good luck and all the best, Miniapolis 14:37, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

BTW whats the meaning of your name? Does the article meets the GA Criteria? Soham 11:51, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

It's a play on the city in Minnesota. I didn't check the refs but assuming they're good, it probably meets the criteria. Miniapolis 15:22, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

There is a request for unblock at User talk:LedgerDocs. In fact, you put a block notice on the talk page, but did not actually block the account. I have placed the unblock request on hold, and perhaps you would like to go back and decide whether or not you want to actually block the account. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:26, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out my need for a refresher course at new admin school. Since they're amenable to the name change there's no current need for a block, but how would that affect the needed name change? Without a block, would a 'crat need to change the username? If so, I'll place the block so the name change can be done "automatically". Sorry for the snafu. All the best, Miniapolis 15:18, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

I've (tardily) imposed the block and they've chosen a new username, so you (or any admin passing by) can unblock for the name change; I left a comment at User talk:LedgerDocs to that effect. All the best, Miniapolis 18:43, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to pile on here, but you informed User:EILIreland that they were soft blocked when in fact you set the block as a hard block and even revoked their email access. As they agreed to a name change as specified in the block notice I have unblocked them. It's an easy mistake to make and I have done it myself once or twice. Not sure if this was the case here, but if you are working reports from UAA you can select options directly from the report and the block settings will be adjusted for you automatically. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:42, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

No, when I screw up I want to know about it :-). I never meant to make it a hard block (to permit the name change), and didn't realize the advisability of retaining email access (frankly, I was a little concerned about off-wiki harrassment). I wasn't working at UAA; this SPA created an AfC (I know, that's redundant) whose subject is identical to their former username (a school). Needless to say, I'll review the blocking policy PDQ. Thanks for the advice and all the best, Miniapolis 20:05, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hello Miniapolis, Thanks for copyediting Christopher Nolan's page back in August. Great work! I've added, re-written and taken away some stuff since, and I wondered if you wanted to take look and give it a super quick pass? Unfortunately my English is not as solid as it should be (I'm Norwegian). I can not for the life of me find out what's wrong with this one "He co-founded the production company Syncopy Inc. with his wife, co-producer Emma Thomas." but it sounds clunky to me. Is it?

Feel free to ignore this message if you don't want to take a look at the article (again).

With many thanks, Robin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.34.240.72 (talk) 17:43, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Robin, and I'll take a look at it later today. I'd rephrase the sentence "He co-founded production company Syncopy with his wife, co-producer Emma Thomas", but it's not clunky at all (your English is much better than my Norwegian :-)). All the best, Miniapolis 18:12, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Took a quick look at it (unfortunately, all I have time for), and it still looks pretty good; however, I suggest you read WP:COISIMPLE if you haven't done so already. All the best, Miniapolis 21:23, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello Miniapolis. Thank you very much for looking at the Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Lotus Group page. I wonder if you could explain why you think the company does not appear to be 'notable' according to Wikipedia standards and also how one might make the case that it is such. I've examined the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies and live by the Wikipedia golden rule, but these do not help - I would have thought the page has an adequate number of independent references (I've even added a couple more this morning), and believe it is clear that the company does sufficient business to qualify as notable - they arrange the travel of half a million people a year (a significant sum in the UK, if not in the much larger USA) and have assets worth £131,981,949 ($215,566,117). Of course, I am always learning, but I am aware of the basic principles of how Wikipedia works and do my best to adhere to these. Most of my contributions stay on the site. This one is a real puzzler. Thanks. --Evenmadderjon (talk) 13:25, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Given your editing history, I'm surprised that you create articles via AfC (which is intended to help unregistered users). The size of a company does not affect its notability, which is determined by significant coverage in reliable sources which are independent of the subject. Quickly going through the references:

• Fastrack.co are directory listings.
• KentOnline: The subject is mentioned in passing.
• Charitycommission and MakeMyDayBetter: Not about the subject; do not demonstrate notability.

I don't have time to list the remainder of the refs, but what I see in this article fails WP:NOTADVERTISING (as does Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/DialAFlight). An online encyclopedia does not exist for search engine optimization; is it possible that you have a conflict of interest with the subject? Anyway, I hope this helps. Miniapolis 14:57, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your prompt reply. Let me reply to your points:

A) Using the criteria of 'significant coverage in reliable sources which are independent of the subject' I would say that this page qualifies. Certainly Fasttrack and the London Stock Exchange are both reliable and independent websites, but I suppose the biggest issue here is is their coverage of the site 'significant'. This is a moot point, but I would say yes - the coverage may not be significant in the sense of being a large amount, but it is certainly significant in the sense of being important.

B) I would also say that Fast Track is not a directory listing in any of the six definitions given on Wikipedia is not a directory. Fast Track is a "network of Britain's top private companies" and the Lotus Group is mentioned on their site because this network has assessed their performance and found they are performing well in terms of sales and profits. The company is in the LSE list as it is 'exciting and inspirational' after assessment by the London Stock Exchange (a significant body). One might say these two organisations have found that Lotus Group are a company of note, or indeed they are 'notable'.

C) The company and subject are indeed 'mentioned in passing' in a number of the references, but having established the notability of the company, these other references seek to build up a better picture of the company as a whole. I have included them because it is not possible to write anything on Wikipedia - in this case, about their company operations - without finding a source. Many of my contributions to wikipedia mention the subject in passing, but go towards building up a full picture of the subject. Having said that, the fact that Management Today (an important industry publication in the UK) and the Sunday Times mention Peter Stephens as a top entrepreneur and one of the richest people in travel respectively, is noteworthy.

D) I am well aware of the Wikipedia guidelines on advertising and I don't think this page would fall foul of these. The facts of the company's notability and operations are plainly stated in an objective style, without any attempt to attract customers or alert people to deals or offers.

E) You are correct that I have some experience writing for wikipedia, and as you also noticed my attempt to create a DialaFlight page, I thought I would go through AfC where it would be easier to discuss the page with someone like yourself. I listened to and accepted the main point made by the previous editor regarding the creation of the earlier page - that more of the sources referred to Lotus Group rather than DialaFlight, hence I changed the page to Lotus Group. I understand that Wikipedia does not exist for search engine optimisation, but this company would seem to me as a notable one and worthy of a wikipedia page according to my understanding of how wikipedia works and the notability of the Lotus Group.

Thanks.--Evenmadderjon (talk) 17:45, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Renaming the article is not enough; the sources have to demonstrate the notability of the article's subject, not just mention the subsidiary companies. You've disclosed your conflict of interest (if only to me), and anything you write on behalf of your employer must adhere to WP:NPOV; you're not in the best position to assess whether or not this article meets WP:NPOV (two impartial editors—Hasteur and I—believe that it does not in its current state). Again, please see WP:RS (for identifying reliable sources—for companies, business-related sources may not be independent enough to establish notability) and WP:NOTADVERTISING. Miniapolis 21:53, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

I renamed, and slightly re-wrote, the article as Hasteur had commented that the more of the references referred to The Lotus Group, rather than DialaFlight. Hence Lotus Group would be the more appropriate wikipedia page. This seemed a valid point.

The sources did demonstrate "the notability of the article's subject" - The Lotus Group (the article's subject) was mentioned on various FastTrack pages because that organisation believed the company to be of note. They say it is notable for its fast growing profits and also its large quantity of sales.

Regarding the reliability of sources: Fast Track is reliable body, there are series of wikipedia pages devoted to it: Sunday Times Fast Track 100, Sunday Times Top Track 250, Profit Track 100, Tech Track 100, and the company's lists also forms the basis of the basis of the wikipedia page List of largest private companies in the United Kingdom. There are many other Wikipedia pages that use Fast Track as a source, here are just a few: Opus Energy, Southall Travel, Omnifone and Mimecast (although some reference their own press releases which mention their listing by Fast Track). They are also mentioned on many other commercial Wikipedia pages without being referenced (that should be improved): Sofa.com and Samworth Brothers. All the information on the Fast Track site is also published on The Sunday Times, but as that publication is behind a paywall I have had to link to the Fast Track site. I should also mention that The Times and The Sunday Times is the newspaper of record in the UK.

I did not disclose a conflict of interest, but more importantly the NPOV of the article is a different matter to whether the a) company is a notable one b) sources are reliable. I think I have established above that the sources are reliable, and those same sources ascribe notability to The Lotus Group. If you think that the article lacks a neutral point of view or looks a little like advertising, please tell me how to change it so that the page reflects the company's notability without breaking those rules. Rules I do my best to follow. As I wrote earlier, "the facts of the company's notability and operations are plainly stated in an objective style, without any attempt to attract customers or alert people to deals or offers." which I stand by.

Finally, to say that "business-related sources may not be independent enough to establish notability" does not seem to be borne out in WP:RS. Most wikipedia pages use articles from specialist media as sources, and I am not sure if business is any less reliable than any other field.

I'm sure we can both agree that this is a rigorously written page and should go up on Wikipedia. Thank you for your help once more. --Evenmadderjon (talk) 14:38, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

As an American without a background in finance, I'm taking your word for it that fasttrack.co.uk meets WP:RS. A chief criterion is editorial oversight; if a source basically regurgitates press releases from an article's subject, it doesn't meet the guideline. Having a WP page (Facebook, YouTube, IMDb) is by no means an endorsement of a source as reliable, and existence does not equal notability for an encyclopedia article. We see a great deal of advertising (by individuals and organizations) masquerading as articles at AfC, and as a result my internal "spam filter" is high. In any case, I've moved the article to mainspace. Happy holidays and all the best, Miniapolis 18:47, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

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	The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
	Thanks for participating in the Guild of Copy Editors December 2013 blitz! Please accept this in recognition of your work copy editing more than 4000 words. And thank you for volunteering to help the Guild again in 2014! —Torchiest talkedits 00:24, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Glad to help, and sorry I couldn't do more in the blitz; only found out about it the day before yesterday :-). All the best, Miniapolis 02:22, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello, you have declined an article I am trying to submit to Wikipedia, this article is about "Goaloids" an Olympic inspired sculpture which is now to be made permanent on Shepherd's Bush green. Can you tell me how to edit this article to get it approved please. Thank you

BeeBrook (talk) 12:42, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

You may not understand the purpose of Wikipedia; it's not a publish-on-demand directory. The blue links in the decline message and my comment explain why I don't think it meets the encyclopedia's notability guidelines; to be suitable for inclusion, an article's subject requires significant coverage in reliable sources which are independent of the subject. If you are the sculptor or work for the town you have a conflict of interest, as I explained earlier. Miniapolis 14:42, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Miniapolis - I've just received additional recommendations from the online help editors. I'd like to improve the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/SocietyOne by: 1. Eliminating all secondary references to blogs or smaller publishers. 2. Eliminating all references to the website 3. Reducing the article length to information reported by major publishers, magazines and newspapers

Do you think this will help with the re-submission? Unfortunately, I don't know how to get around the conflict of interest. Is there a way for an expert wiki editor to contribute to the article to improve the content? Thanks Abey Asaied10 (talk) 22:55, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Your three suggestions would certainly improve the article, but don't affect my opinion that the subject does not now meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline (which is significant coverage in reliable sources which are independent of the subject). This is the problem with conflict-of-interest editing; your employer (or whoever is creating the COI) wants a WP article (probably for search engine optimization) but Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia, not a publish-on-demand directory. Unfortunately, many people don't understand the difference; they're accustomed to feeding press releases (or other self-published sources) to a web host, but WP doesn't work that way. I'm a volunteer editor, and call them as I see them according to the applicable policies and guidelines. You may want to look at the essay Existence≠Notability. Good luck and all the best, Miniapolis 23:58, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for copy-editing the Norgrove article. Merry christmas!--BabbaQ (talk) 21:14, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Sad story, very good article. Best of luck with FAC, and Merry Christmas to you too! All the best, Miniapolis 21:51, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hello Sir

I want Change My Name Currntly Name- User:Masroor Khan0

but Change Name only Masroor Khan

If possival that can change please

Masroor Khan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.124.22.142 (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi again. I can't do that, but you can go to this page and click #5 under "Instructions"; it looks like no one else is using the name you want. All the best, Miniapolis 15:21, 28 December 2013 (UTC)