User talk:Johan Elisson/Archive 7

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Råsunda har ungefär 52,000 platser. Omkring 35,000 - 40, 000 platser används som mest, när intresset är som störst, som tex landskamper. Azores 14:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

No. Please point me to a source that says that Råsunda has a capacity of 52,000. Read this (Hemmaarena: Råsunda Stadion (36.800).), this (Capacity: 37,000), this (Totalt 36.608), and this. (Idag är Råsunda därmed en modern fyrstjärnig arena med 37.285 sittplatser.) The reason that there is some discrepancy in the numbers is that some seats can't be used for certain matches due to safety regulations and such. Or read this for a source that says that Ullevi is the largest arena in Scandinavia. (BTW, I prefer English on the English Wikipedia, that way, any active editor can read what we've been talking about.) – Elisson • T • C • 15:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

FYI SndrAndrss, who you recently blocked, is evading his block by editing as SndrAndrss18 (talk · contribs). I've reported it on WP:AIV. Oldelpaso 20:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me. – Elisson • T • C • 21:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

And also SndrAndrss17 (talk · contribs), at least... Andrwsc 04:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:ANI#User:SndrAndrss_evading_block. Oldelpaso 09:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I strongly recommend continuing the block for the sake of him not learning his lesson on his edits. Chris 17:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Judging by this contribution history, he's now editing under an anonymous IP. I haven't reported it to AIV since it's been about five hours since the last edit. However, just to let people know... --DeLarge 15:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I've made a request for checkuser on that and another IP. – Elisson • T • C • 19:21, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

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Hi,

I'm wondering if you have any tip how to make the map locations for Image:Sweden-transparent.png. I'm specially wondering about Linköping, Mora and Örnsköldsvik for Elitserien#Elitserien_clubs. // SMARTSKAFT | ¿ 08:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I suggest you take a look at the code used for the map at for example 2007 in Swedish football#Allsvenskan 2007, for further locations, see the map I've compiled at User:Johan Elisson/sandbox. Unfortunately it does not include Ö-vik or Mora, but it won't be too hard for you to fix them by yourself. – Elisson • T • C •

Okay, I made a formula in Excel with Rikets nät coordinates (which can be found on Eniro Maps) and the map coordinates. I added Ö-vik and Mora to your list (I hope you don't mind). // SMARTSKAFT | ¿ 14:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

The map (or much less likely your formula) is probably a little skewed though, take a look at how I moved Örnsköldsvik (and Mora as well) a few pixels down to better match the location with the map image. – Elisson • T • C • 15:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Ref. the latest additions at SndrAndrss' discussion page. I'm not sure of his intentions, but he keeps creating lots and lots of extra work for others, e.g. by moving articles for no apparent (or rather: no valid) reasons. Please talk to him again, he doesn't seem to listen to me. Guaca 12:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi! He is still blocked and the edits and moves you speak about were made before his block (which expires this weekend) so I don't think anything needs to be done except waiting and checking wether or not he improves his behaviour when he returns. – Elisson • T • C • 18:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I think SndrAndrss might be at work again using an anon. IP address. Take a look at Special:Contributions/88.88.47.236. The areas of interest (biathlon, flags, FIFA referrees, etc.) looks exactly like the pages he/she was working on before the block, and the first edit under this address was on March 6. Andrwsc 00:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me. I've blocked the IP and reset SndrAndrss block. – Elisson • T • C • 00:26, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello Johan. I am just here to report that SndrAndrss is back again despite your block. See, [1]. Maybe you will want to block that account, too. - Darwinek 18:21, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

guess who's back. Oldelpaso 19:44, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Can you unprotect Template:Same-sex marriage? — coelacan — 00:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the nomination and its well-crafted nomination statement. I've accepted, and its now live. Oldelpaso 09:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again. The final tally was 37/0/1, and I am now a sysop. Oldelpaso 10:41, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, good to hear! – Elisson • T • C • 14:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		This is for your work in an effort to get User:SndrAndrss permanently blocked from Wikipedia for his disruptive edits, refusal to listen to others, and constant editing without explanation (i.e., not using the edit summary). As a token of gratitude, especially with your assitance on the Template:Nordic skiing World Championships issue, I award you this barnstar. Chris 23:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't say I am happy to have received this as I in a way feel kind of sorry for SndrAndrss, but it has been a hard time working with/against him so this barnstar cheered me up a little at least! Thanks! – Elisson • T • C • 21:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I was not happy about what happened to him either, but he brought it on himself. This was just trying to get this user to see the light in order to help Wikipedia grow. Chris 15:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Please see this diff. ([2]). Thanks! --Dweller 17:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

And I've managed to expand the amateur section a touch as well... The Rambling Man 17:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Johan, I have seen that SndrAndrss is quite active again lately, mostly making edits from anon. IPs. I have blocked several of them (see Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of SndrAndrss), and even got a response from him (see User talk:88.88.47.113). Note that I did not revert his edits — these ones were actually useful — but I am trying to quickly block him as soon as I see his activity. Howeover, yesterday he also created a couple of dozen new articles and categories with a new account (see Special:Contributions/SndrAndrss11), and again, they are probably useful additions. Should we be speedy deleting them as per WP:CSD#G5, or leave them alone? I think deleting them would maybe send him a message, but deleting useful content to make a point doesn't seem like a good idea to me. I guess that's our dilemma with SndrAndrss — many edits are useful contributions, but there is enough disruptive behaviour to justify the community ban. Andrwsc 17:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

That was my main concern regarding his community ban, that he actually have useful contributions. I have sought help in the admin IRC channel and was adviced to block the 88.88.0.0/16 IP range for a week, which should prevent him from editing at all. This blocks a total of 65 536 IPs, so it is not something we should do on regular basis. I was also adviced to send an email to the abuse department of his ISP which I now have done. I hope this will solve the problem... Regarding his contributions as a banned user, I'm not sure how to do. I would probably suggest not doing anything unless the problem gets worse. – Elisson • T • C • 19:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

He's also started (resumed?) using another IP address (see Special:Contributions/159.171.120.4), which has been used on articles in SndrAndrss' areas of interest since 31 August 2005, and which is also registered to a (different) Norwegian ISP. I've already blocked that single address for a month. Andrwsc 19:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

It seems that that IP range is registered to a Norwegian municipality (Arendal), and I would guess that SndrAndrss edits with that IP either from a school or a library. If it is only that single IP, then there's no big problem I guess, but I'll keep an eye open for that IP range. – Elisson • T • C • 20:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Can you check out this discussion on no. http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brukerdiskusjon:Cnyborg#Blokkering (I believe you understand norwegian). The SndrAndrss situation seems to have made some problems for a user which has nothing to do with him. 85.164.250.245 00:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Jeg er den heldige bruker av et IP-nummer som er innen 88.88.0.0/16, og som har vært diskutert hos cnyborg. Dersom det er noe jeg kan gjøre med situasjonen er det fint om du svarer på min norske diskusjonsside no:brukerdiskusjon:finnrind. Ettersom jeg fortsatt kan logge meg inn og så redigere på en:wiki er det ikke et akutt problem for meg, men det er likevel litt brysomt å være blokkert. Lykke til i vandaljakten. Hilsen et offer for Collateral Damage, Finnrind 00:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Takk for svar hos Cnyborg. Slik du forklarer situasjonen er denne blokkeringen ikke et problem for meg. Lykke til i jakten på SndrAndrss. Finnrind 00:47, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

For your information (he's been around here too): no:brukerdiskusjon:SndrAndrss Finnrind 08:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

After email correspondence with the ISP (Telenor), they informed me today that the account of SndrAndrss has been closed (I did not propose that, they did it on their own initiative). I've unblocked the IP range and hopefully we will not have to deal with SndrAndrss again. – Elisson • T • C • 13:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

For further information and discussion of this, I refer to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Solved case of community banned User:SndrAndrss evading ban. – Elisson • T • C • 13:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi there! If I have understood it correctly you are an admin on wikipedia, right? Well I don't know of any other admins so I come to you. I just want to bring to your (or any admins) attention about User:Burgz33. He continues to throw around personal attack at various users on the Jordin Tootoo talk page, after being warned several times. I decided to check out his user page and talk page and noticed that he deleted everything that is being said to him on his talk page. He ignore warnings about unfree images and as far as I know, deleting content on talk pages are not allowed. --Krm500 23:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'm an admin. I am sorry I haven't answered this earlier but I have been sort of busy the last few days. I see the problem has already been solved, but if you run into any further problems, feel free to leave a message here again, or report it to the incident noticeboard where such things as the above should be posted. – Elisson • T • C • 14:56, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey thanks for that, you can delete the image I uploaded since you uploaded it at commons already. And can you do that at Template:International basketball too and upload the image there and replace the one found at commons? Thanks again. --Howard the Duck 16:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Why have you deleted this firm from the article? They have been active since 1987, supporting their team loyally, but because of the league's lesser notability, the only way they reached global media was by opposing the gay right activist to be a guest in a nationwide broadcasted show -the one article I used as a reference. That is one sole incident, and does not classify the firm as a "violent ultras group", as you called it. After all, violence is one of the aspects of football culture, whether we like it or not. But if Varvari are excluded from the article for being "too violent", take a look at some of the actions of the other firms represented in the article. For more information, refer to the article Varvari, or ask me if you want to know more. Cheers. Sideshow Bob 18:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Ehm, I guess you misunderstand what a football/hooligan firm is. A firm is not a supporter group, or an ultras group, it is a group of people that organise themselves for one reason, to fight with other firms, generally not on the stadium but rather somewhere else. Varvari is in all aspects an ultras/supporter group, and not a football firm. – Elisson • T • C • 19:53, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

If you say so, although there is no notable difference between the two. According to your standards, only British firms are football firms, because Polish and Swedish groups in the article don't differ from other Ultras groups... Sideshow Bob 20:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure why the Swedish (and Polish) firms listed don't differ from ultras groups? – Elisson • T • C • 21:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Concerning my edit here that you reverted, I did it because, at least on my computer, it doesn't look centered as it was and as it is now. It is aligned to the left. Maybe it looks centered in your computer, I don't know. But that the reason I did it. Cheers and keep up with the good work--Serte ^{[ Talk · Contrib ]} 21:13, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Strange. I suspected that you edited it because the template looked strange in some way on your system, but I tried around with a few different browsers and didn't see anything wrong. The ! (header row markup) before that line should automatically center the text. – Elisson • T • C • 21:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, seeing you are interested in football this is an invitation to contribute to this discussion to clarify certain issues about football player notability. I think clearer guidelines are needed to avoid repeated inappropriate nominations for deletion and time consuming discussions. Cheers! StephP 20:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey Johan, just wanted to pop by to thank you for your comments in the peer review of the ITFC article. You may be interested to know it achieved featured article status today. Thanks for your comments and for helping us achieve the article's promotion. Cheers! The Rambling Man 08:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

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Do merge and move articles have to be put in the deletion archive, or just AFD candidates? Asics talk ^{Editor review!} 23:18, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the late answer, I've been kind of busy. I think we've archived merge and move requests in the archive before, so my answer would be yes, even though I'm not 100 % sure. :) – Elisson • T • C • 16:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Det förbryllar mig att du tagit bort den mest extensiva och seriösa delen av den engelska artikeln om Helsingborgs IF och än märkligare anser jag vissa av motiveringarna vara. Visserligen vore det en god idé att ange mitt namn som källa, men i första hand vore det rimligare att be om detta än att ta bort större delen av artikeln. Att HIF kallas "Mjölkkossan" och "Di Röe" samt att klubben grundades 4 juni 1907 tas till exempel inte bort bara för att källhänvisning saknas.

Att förstahandsmaterial inte godkänns tycker jag däremot är fullkomligt absurt med tanke på att jag som står bakom ändringen har en oändligt mycket större kunskap på området än vad någon kan läsa sig till i böcker. Det finns nämligen ingen skriftlig dokumentation av supporterkulturen kring klubben i modern tid som tar upp de saker som förtjänar att tas upp i en artikel om Helsingborgs IF. Detta i sig gör informationen desto mera värdefull, varför den i hög grad tillför något till artikeln.

Det tredje skälet du anger till att ta bort hela sektionen om klubbens supporterkultur är att den skulle vara icke-lexikalisk. Vid en granskning av texten upptäcker jag ett fåtal formuleringar som bygger på värderingar och som kanske borde ändras men det råder knappast någon tvekan om att bristande information om vad som utmärker en klubbs supportrar är en nackdel i vilket lexikon som helst.

Allt sammantaget ifrågasätter jag beslutet att ta bort artikelsektionen istället för att försöka förbättrra den. Speciellt som den gav en heltäckande bild av klubben på ett område som ofta negligeras, vilket fick hela artikeln om Helsingborgs IF att framstå som mera komplett. Just sektionen om supporterkultur var (till skillnad från övriga bitar) minst lika extensiv som exempelvis kategorin om supportrarna i artikeln om IFK Göteborg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFK_G%C3%B6teborg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Viktor Hellström (talk • contribs).

I prefer if we speak English here at the English Wikipedia, even though we are both Swedes, since other people might be interrested in knowing what we speak of. On to your recent additions. I removed it all since if I where to trim and fix and wikify it, there wouldn't be much left. Almost everything you added were either unencyclopedic material or pieces of information that would need a citation, and since you say there are no sources for it, we can't have it on Wikipedia. I suggest you read the Wikipedia policies on no original research, verifiability neutral point of view and the guideline on reliable sources.

Wikipedia welcomes all contributions as long as they follow policies and guidelines, but yours did not and that was why I removed them. Do not see it as some kind of personal thing, and do not think it was me personally that did not like the contribution, I only did what a majority of users have agreed to do. If I would give you a suggestion, it would be to improve the history section of the article instead. There is absolutely nothing said about the history of the club before 2005, which is a much more urgent problem to fix. I would be glad if you could help out there instead. Best regards – Elisson • T • C • 16:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Answer: Point taken about the policies and guidelines regarding original research, verifiability and neutral point of view. I understand now that my text wasn't written according to the terms of agreement of Wikipedia, why I simply will have to post it somewhere else. Feels a bit sad in this case though, as I'm convinced that the supporter culture section was beneficial to the article. Do you think that it'd be better if I hosted the text somewhere else and posted an external link to it here at Wikipedia? - Viktor Hellström —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Viktor Hellström (talk • contribs).

Linking to a minor website, such as your personal website, a blog, or similar, or publishing material on another website only to link it from Wikipedia is not encouraged either, so I don't think that would be a good idea, sorry. The best would be to find sources for the most important facts. If the pieces of info are important enough to be included in Wikipedia, then there must surely be a reliable source of some kind, somewhere. In a newspaper, in a book about HIF or on the official website. – Elisson • T • C • 22:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello Johan.
¿Do you have the data table you use in this image?, because I need some information por the Football (soccer) article in spanish wikipedia. Regards, Ffahm (disc.) 20:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi! The data on the number of players is from this FIFA survey linked from the image description, and the population data was taken mainly from one website I can't remember at the moment, but any reliable source could be used, such as this list. I then calculated the players/1000 inhabitants myself. I hope that helps. – Elisson • T • C • 21:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer. What I was talking about was the table you use with the number of players and the population together (maybe an Excel file). I need it for saving some time, so I don't have to make a full table of the 200 FIFA members with their population. ;). Ffahm (disc.) 21:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't think I ever saved the file I used when compiling the data. – Elisson • T • C • 21:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your time. Ffahm (disc.) 20:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I couldn't help you more. – Elisson • T • C • 21:07, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[3]
I can just about figure out the first half using online translators, but you're the expert here. – Steel 12:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Do you still need a translation? – Elisson • T • C • 20:20, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

If it's not too much trouble. – Steel 20:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

hhaha servant saber has been blocked on the Swedish wiki for two weeks for his behaviour and then he complains at me and preaches about how I should do. Good lord, you are as bad as me.Good that they noticed that funny behavior.And so comical, bearing in mind all preaching about right and wrong:) haha,but then the user is only 18 years, hope you learn something from this experience. as much as I have done. If it doesn't make much sense in English, don't blame me, much of it didn't make much sense in Swedish either... – Elisson • T • C • 21:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Cheers Elisson. This user never makes any sense. – Steel 21:05, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I just want to inform you that the article about Sweden national under-21 football team has been created by user Beansformickey. In it's current state, it only contains the current squad that isn't correctly updated and I wonder if it should be kept as it is. Tooga 18:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me. Well there is no use in deleting it as it serves some purpose even though it is not up to date. I'll add it to my todo list to update and expand it when I've got time over. Any help would be appreciated though! – Elisson • T • C • 19:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'll go ahead and update the squad. Tooga 20:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

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