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Hi, I removed the merge tag you placed on free software. While I agree some consolidation of these multiple POV articles is worth considering, these changes are complex. A merge banner on its own messes up the article and doesn't get us closer to finding a way to combine the articles. I ask that you post on the talk page explaining your rationale and how you see the articles being combined before you re-add the merge banner. – Pnm (talk) 01:10, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

...I'm going to revert your last contribution to the article gray wolf, but if you'll talk to me about it on the TALK:Gray wolf, the problem is it's not clear what exactly you meant. Chrisrus (talk) 05:27, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi! I'd like to point out that many of your recent edits and not in fact minor and you shouldn't mark them as such. See WP:MINOR. Regards. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK

You are still marking most of your edits as minor, as edits like this one is most definitely not considered a minor one and you shouldn't mislead other users into thinking the change was superficial. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 09:35, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

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You can simply undo the edit; that was a mistake. Jarble (talk) 14:20, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

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I see you added a globlize tag and reference citation requirement to subject article. I found a reference citation without any problem; but, after working in the field of sanitary engineering for 40 years, I'm a bit puzzled about why you think the article needs a globalize tag. I'll see what I can do about improving the international perspective of the article if you would explain the problem in the article's talk page.Thewellman (talk) 05:11, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

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Hello. I saw your edit on List of Bionicle characters. May I ask you why you put a link on that page that leads to a character of Lord of the Rings? It has nothing to do with that... --Aris621 (talk) 18:02, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

You can remove it, I guess... I was just thought it was a likely inspiration for the Bohrok-Kal, given the similarity of the names. Jarble (talk) 21:12, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

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Jarble, you placed a merge tag on the template {{technical}}. This is not a good idea. All the 1600-some articles tagged as overly technical got placed in the articles to be merge category, which totally screwed things up for us mergers. I've deleted the merge tag and taken it to Wikipedia:Templates for discussion which I think is the proper venue for discussing template merges. Thanks, D O N D E groovily Talk to me 04:33, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I'm reverting your merge proposal of February 2012[1][2] because no rationale was given and the two subjects are differentiated as explained in the text (commercial/for profit nature). There is no support from other editors on the talk pages either. In my experience, use of the discuss parameter (as advised at WP:MERGE) may be more likely to engage other editors. Without this, discussions could potentially take place in separate places, as the default talk location seems to be that of the corresponding article. Thanks for reading. -- Trevj (talk) 11:52, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks for pointing that out. :) Jarble (talk) 16:53, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Please do not re-add a third time the distinguish tag. The distinguish tag is used when there are articles with deceptively similar titles. As I described the first time you added this to Free software licence, its the lead that should mention Open source licences and how they relate to the Free software licence article. Belorn (talk) 12:49, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

• update* I will try to add this myself. I had forgotten it since last time, but should try to remember it for the weekend. Still, if you feel you have expertise about it, please add it to the article. Belorn (talk) 19:43, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Greetings, saw your edits at Ainu people and thought you might like to know that we just founded the Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Ainu task force. Hope to see you on the Members list! MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:46, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jarble!

Please stop linking ordinary English (or undergraduate logic) terms, such as the logical quantifiers (e.g., "there exists" or "for every"). I reverted your edits to Shapley-Folkman lemma.

Please revert similar edits on other mathematics articles.

Thanks!

Sincerely, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:14, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

I have reverted all of your most recent edits on mathematics, because you have been linking trivialities that add nothing to the articles. You have also failed to describe your edits, and often had no edit summaries, which violates the editing policy. Your edits were not malicious or severe errors, but they do distract readers and waste the time of knowledgeable editors, who have to revert them.

Please ask an administrator at WikiProject Mathematics to remove all your recent contributions, or go through and do it manually yourself.

You need to start describing your edits. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:34, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

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When you add links, as you did in the muscle article, please be certain that the link is correct and appropriate. In linking contractile cell in the muscle article, you linked text about early sponge-like organisms to a list of cell types in the adult human. Such a link is not correct, and would confuse users rather than help them. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:58, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps a disambiguation page will be required for links to "contractile cell", since this phrase appears to have multiple distinct meanings. Do you know which article the phrase "contractile cell" should link to in this case?

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Just wondering what happened here. You accidentally reverted my talk page to a revision from 2009 somehow. Any idea what caused it? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 23:44, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't know why this happened, perhaps it was due to a server error. You can revert my edit; I just tried to add a link to that page, and something really strange happened. Jarble (talk) 23:59, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, Jarble. I'm not understanding your duplication tags, such as these:[3][4] There are plenty of articles that duplicate text because the text is relevant to more than just one article. And duplicating in part is standard because WP:Summary style advises that some of the text be summarized in one article while pointing to a link where a different article deals with the topic more extensively. Even the tag you're applying to articles says, "Please discuss this issue on the talk page and conform with Wikipedia's Manual of Style by replacing the section with a link and a summary of the repeated material..."

And even when articles share more text than just the summary, it's still fine as long as it's not too excessive. I notice that the tag links to Wikipedia:CFORK. But see what Wikipedia:CFORK#Related articles says. So pretty much, I don't even understand why the tag you're using exists. Duplication should only be an issue when there is extensive duplication or simply duplicate articles. 46.165.208.13 (talk) 09:33, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Should this tag only be used in cases of extensive duplication (i. e., copying several paragraphs of text)? I noticed that the article Animal nutrition duplicates much of the text of the article Nutrition. Jarble (talk) 15:10, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Jarble, like I stated above, "There are plenty of articles that duplicate text because the text is relevant to more than just one article." Above, I also extended that to articles that share more than just the WP:Summary style text. Your continued use of the duplication tag still doesn't seem completely correct because, from what I can see, the articles are applying WP:Summary style. However, some of their sections are pointing to sections of other articles where the section isn't even going over anything new -- that is, they aren't extensively elaborating on the topic; as such, in those cases, the tag may be okay to use. But it just seems like a useless tag to me because so many Wikipedia articles have a small, meduim or large overlap. The duplication tag could apply to most of the articles on Wikipedia. Whatever the case, it definitely shouldn't be placed at the top of articles; it's a section tag, at least the one you're using, not a "whole article" tag. I'ved asked another editor to weigh in here -- Kiefer.Wolfowitz -- the one who talked to you about WP:OVERLINKING. It seems that you run into formatting issues, as in the correct way to format things, at times, and I believe this to be one of those cases. 46.165.208.13 (talk) 18:40, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Just in case you are wondering what happened with Kiefer.Wolfowitz not weighing in, unless you don't care or saw the discussion on his talk page, see this. 46.165.208.13 (talk) 00:37, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

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I willingly explain why I called you a waste-maker. I spotted many mistakes besides the infamous inexperienced user. Some mistakes are so severe that a user with thousands of edits is not expected to make these in quantities over one percent (except for mistakes which are immediately corrected).

• [5] the link Arab terrorist is red, so it is not evident, what do you expect the article and redirect to be about. To me, it is ambiguous: one can mean either real-world terrorism originated in Arab countries, or some stereotypical depiction of a male Arab terrorist, like Essex girl or so. Attempt to rely on a red link was a mistake.
• [6] a botched wikification (first link). You know yourself why it was botched, but it remained uncorrected until my intervention.
• [7] unlike the previous case, this botched wikification unlikely may remain unnoticed after saving or on preview. The only explanation why this mistake was possible is that you do not use preview and, even after saving, do not look on sections changed by yourself.
• [8] one edit with two changes, and both were wrong. First, a clueless pseudo-wikification of George Ritchie. If a dab page lists a person in question, then a correct (disambiguated) link must be inserted. If it does not, then you should either insert an own disambiguated link (if you feel that a person has some notability apart of his near-death experience), or do nothing. The link to a dab page has absolutely no merit in this context. Second, your spelling corruption in Betty Eadie which, though, was fixed by your subsequent edit (but producing an unneeded redirect in the process).

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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Arab terrorist. Since you had some involvement with the Arab terrorist redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Incnis Mrsi (talk • contribs)

Please, do not create redirects to redirects, even to redirects under discussion (technically not redirects). Your "Arab terrorism" will:

• immediately become to subject WP:CSD#G8 is the case of deletion, and
• will behave unpredictably otherwise.

Incnis Mrsi (talk) 20:32, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

I didn't create the redirect - it already existed, but it redirected to a different page. Jarble (talk) 20:34, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Agree, you technically did not create it. You did not make worse a thing which already was bad. But I do not understand your intention with this page. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 20:40, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't have any ulterior motives - I just hope that the debate over the "Arab terrorist" redirect will be resolved soon. It might be best to delete this redirect (or perhaps turn it into a disambiguation page) so that all current links to this redirect can be re-targeted. (This particular redirect created more controversy than I thought it would - I wasn't trying to offend anyone.) Jarble (talk) 20:49, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

A disambiguation page? I did not think about it, really. Yes, in that case your action become a correct one; but you should propose it at WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 September 21#Arab terrorist, not here. I am slightly paranoid about "waste-making" and does not always think about creative alternatives. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 21:14, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

A summary of my intentions: I believed that "Arab terrorist" was synonymous with "Islamic terrorist", but I was incorrect this time. I won't mind at all if someone deletes the redirect (since it is somewhat ambiguous and confusing). Jarble (talk) 20:49, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

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Please stop doing this and read WP:OVERLINKING as you were asked earlier to do. Thanks. And explain your edits when they aren't just linking, etc. Dougweller (talk) 16:45, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Which of my recent edits are considered to be unnecessary linking? I'm not sure which of my links are considered "relevant" and which ones aren't. Do you mean creating multiple links to the same page on a single article? Jarble (talk) 17:08, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Jarble; not questioning that your wikifying of "war on women" on the Rush Limbaugh–Sandra Fluke controversy was a good faith edit - you seem to have adopted the usually gnomish habit of expanding wikilinks in general. In this case, however, the phrase was a quote, and the WP:MOS guidelines, also at the overlink section, prohibit wikilinks within quotes - too much danger that the wikilink adds meaning, and quotes are always supposed to stand on their own. You also seem to have inadvertently encouraged some tendentious edit warriors.--Anonymous209.6 (talk) 00:12, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

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Read over that template. Using it this way is wrong, and I reverted as such. As the template says: Do not use this tag for material that is already supported by an inline citation. If you want to know who holds that view, all you have to do is look at the source named at the end of the sentence or paragraph. It is not necessary to inquire "By whom?" in that circumstance. 2001:648:2FFC:1112:A80C:EAFF:FE22:B990 (talk) 07:14, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

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Re this: You know, I thought someone was going to put it up. And I'd certainly like to have that in the article too. But there doesn't seem to be much out there from other countries ... this, from Ontario, didn't come up until I was several Google pages deep, and as you can see it draws a lot of its content from the American material. Daniel Case (talk) 06:51, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Update: Someone's removed it ... I think their edit summary has a point, actually. Daniel Case (talk) 14:38, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I didn't mean to sound so curt, but I have to ask you, did you even look for non-U.S. sources before you added this tag? Also, you could have brought this up on the talk page, or asked Daniel directly. A tag like this should have come only after you thoroughly explored other options. I'm not trying to sound like a dick here - I'm just trying to give you some pointers. Joefromrandb (talk) 04:36, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, You commented at the start of the year on a proposal to move this article, which failed. I've now set up a different proposal at Talk:Idolatry_and_Christianity#Discussion, & your comment would be welcome. Johnbod (talk) 13:03, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello Jarble,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Breaking changes for deletion, because it doesn't appear to contain any encyclopedic content. Take a look at our suggestions for essential content in short articles to learn what should be included.

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The page should redirect to a Wiktionary article - I think there's a template for such pages (but I don't remember the template's name now.) Jarble (talk) 02:51, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

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You placed merge tags on the Adultery and Extramarital sex articles but did not, as far as I can see, start a discussion on it. Please do so, or remove the tags. FWIW, I think they should be merged. Drmies (talk) 03:38, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

A discussion has already been started: see here. Jarble (talk) 04:21, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

• That's from years ago. When you place a tag like that, and you mean it, it is best to start a new discussion. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 15:52, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
  • I've started a new discussion now. Jarble (talk) 17:38, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
    • Excellent--thanks. Drmies (talk) 18:35, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hmm - is that an excuse to try to dam every river? a bit on the hyperbolic like the Hydro PR machine during the dams controversies of 50 - 30 years ago methinks.... trust you have a sense of humour or we have got off to a bad start ... SatuSuro 14:08, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

I didn't change any of the wording - I only added a couple of relevant links to other articles. What biased statements did you notice in the article? Jarble (talk) 14:11, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, never mind, to explain would take ages, about to get off - if its links, It is that I didnt read your edit history properly, my sincerest apologies, just somewhat apprehensive about the subject area - have fun, I'll get out of your way - cheers SatuSuro 14:16, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

BTW, do you know how to enable automatic notifications for replies to discussions? (I was wondering how you knew that I had replied to this discussion - is there a script that I can use to keep track of discussions like this?) Jarble (talk) 21:34, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, Jarble. Would be willing to stop adding bare URLs? Adding bare URLs is not good...per WP:Bare URLs...and others are having to clean up after you, as seen here. The Google Books tool that was pointed out to you here is easy to use. All you have to do is put in the URL link and it generates the templated-formatted citation for you. Consider using it. 199.229.232.42 (talk) 21:42, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Things like this need no clarification. The sources are right there for you to see. They don't have to be mentioned in the text. Looking at your contributions, you've been consistently adding tags that are meant to clarify things...but you've been adding them in places where clarification is not needed. In fact, most of your clarification requests, this and this one being two more examples, make no sense. Looking at your talk page, you've been addressed about your use of such templates before. I don't mean to be rude, but if you don't know when is the correct time to use them, you shouldn't be using them. You need to read the templates so that you can get a better grasp on using them. I'm going to undo some of your clarification requests that don't make any sense. Only "some" because I'm not about to go too far back into your edit history and I can't edit semi-protected articles as an IP. But any that I come across in the future (ones you or someone else added), I will also remove if they don't make sense. 199.229.232.42 (talk) 01:26, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

• Here, the article does not explain what "free oxygen" refers to, so I added the clarification template (because it would be better if the article could explain it in more detail.) In this article, I thought that it would be better to use more precise terms than "around the same time last year". A year from now, "last year" will refer to "this year", so it would better to specify the year in absolute instead of relative terms. (Otherwise, this wording could create some confusion in the years to come.) Jarble (talk) 01:48, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

The tag "clarify span" has nothing do with telling us what "free oxygen" is; that tag shouldn't be used for that. And the article doesn't have to clarify what "free oxygen" means other than linking to a Wikipedia article about it. But there is no Wikipedia article on it. There are a lot of scientific terms/a lot of scientific wording in Wikipedia articles that readers won't initially or ever completely understand. Just like there isn't an article for "free oxygen," there isn't a Wikipedia article for most of those terms. And even if there were, it wouldn't mean that we should link to all of them...considering that doing so would be WP:OVERLINKING if too many are in an article. Readers have the option of researching these terms. But I see your point about clarifying what is meant by "free oxygen"; you should make a note of it on the talk page of that article, asking someone who can explain it to explain it in the article (like in parentheses right after the wording is mentioned, and only once of course).

In the other diff, a date was mentioned. The wording "around the same time last year" told readers the exact or just about the exact time without being redundant with any part of the original date. There's no significant confusion there. That's you having wanted the month, day and year noted for the second date, like they are noted for the first. But all readers need to know is that the decline happened since the same month last year. After you added the clarification tag there, that line went through three revisions,[9][10][11] as you might have already seen. The good thing that came out of your tagging that line is that now it's specified as having happend since the same month last year. 199.229.232.42 (talk) 02:22, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

You're obviously right about the "around the same time last year" wording not having been the best or good wording, and that its meaning could have gotten lost in the next year if not updated, even if "November last year" had been used, so I retract that part of my comment (about that edit not having made sense). But some of your other "Who?," "Whom?," "Where?," "Clarify," etc. tags have been problematic. So just think them through better in the future. And do read the template pages for them. 199.229.232.42 (talk) 02:45, 4 December 2012 (UTC)