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ARCHIVE PAGE 50: February 2012

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Hi, thanks for the encouragement on the bivalve page I recently made, I appreciate it. I note the frantic activity of the bivalve project participants to improve the initial text. Many changes are clearly improvements in readability or make up or improvements in the codes.

I have a question on your invitation to join the bivalve project: what will it establish other than my name on a list? Why would I want to join?

I also have two issues with edits made on the Dacryomya lacryma article.

The first is the redirect from species to genus. My impression is that the information is solely based on the initial species (there are no new references). No additional data have been included for the other species mentioned. There is no guarantee the general description fully applies to these other species (I'm thinking particularly the size), in other words, we run the risk that the information is now incorrect. To give an example of extant species: if you redirect the article on the Grevy Zebra to the genus Equus, without considering the common traits of the genus, you end up stating horses have black and white striping! Also, the information on distribution and occurrence is solely based on the one species and very likely not applicable to one or more of the other three species listed. I do not have specimens of the other species, nor do I have any literature containing a description, not even of D. lacryma(which is not to my liking and almost made me decide not to create the article in the first place). I have a degree in biology, so I'm not a total dummy on these topics.

The second is that I think there was merit in having the gallery. It certainly helps to get a 3-D impression. It was removed very early on, but this was perhaps not a splendid idea.

I'm centainly not entering into an editing fight, so I'd rather have the project participants have a discussion on these two issues, and than decide how I can make further contributions. Dwergenpaartje (talk) 19:57, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello,

I'm a freelance writer and would very much like to talk with you about a project I'm working on. I've been searching for an outstanding Wikipedian in the NYC area and was pointed in your direction by one of your colleagues. After looking at the work you've done I'm quite pleased to have found you! I'd love to tell you more about the story, preferably via email or phone (I'm not very talk page savvy...). If you could drop me a line at maura.ewing[at]gmail.com it would be much appreciated. Thanks so muchWoodsewing (talk) 01:42, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't remember exactly but in 2008 I went on a trip to Australia and New Zealand and it must have been in one of the museums or aquariums. I took hundreds of photos of various species at the time. Quite possibly (not sure though) it's from therehttp://www.sydneyaquarium.com.au. However, more likely is from herehttp://www.southernencounter.co.nz/ or herehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Antarctic_Centre Regards--Zureks (talk) 08:52, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

This will require a bot to go through all the articles and categorize them by their rank. I have not had a chance to get around to this yet. I will let you know when I get it done. — Ganeshk (talk) 01:01, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

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I am curious as to the addition of daggers in front of extinct genera names in prose. Is that a WP:Gastropods guideline? WP:Paleontology guidelines are to use the daggers in the taxoboxes, as the status of a taxon as extinct is generally explained in the opening sentence or to of the lead in a fossil taxon article.--Kevmin§ 21:31, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Kevmin. Thanks so much for your helpful note. If that is the accepted standard at Project Paleontology, then I will certainly be glad to follow it. I apologize for making work for you or someone else who will have to remove the extra daggers. To be honest, I can't remember if and when Project Gastropods discussed the dagger thing, but somehow I got it into my head that this was the "right" way to do it, and so I have been doing it that way for quite a while. I find that most of our paleo gastropod stubs have no daggers at all. However, mostly we deal with extant gastropods, as you know, so usually it does not come up that often. In any case it's really nice to have a paleontologist around, we've needed one for a long time. So thanks for telling me about this! Perhaps you would be kind enough to put a note somewhere on the gastropod project page explaining this, and also somewhere on the bivalve project page likewise. Good wishes to you and thanks again, Invertzoo (talk) 23:24, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Take a look at my comments drafthere and tell me what you think.--Kevmin § 20:29, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi again Kevmin. I think what you wrote all seems good to me, although to be honest I am at home sick, trying to recover from viral pneumonia, and by the evening I am so tired I can't really think straight, so perhaps I should look at it again in the morning.

One thing that I did want to say viz a viz automatic taxoboxes is that gastropod taxonomy (at least for the taxonomists who deal with living taxa) is very much still in flux, more so than it ever was (!) although historically it has never been stable for more than a few decades at a time. You may know that in 2005, everything between the levels of class and superfamily got switched over to clades (and "informal groups") based of course on insights from molecular work. Things are changing very rapidly; some changes are small, but some very large. For example, in 2010, Jörger et al did a large-scale re-organization of the Heterobranchia (a vast group of snails and slugs, marine terrestrial and freshwater), and created two very large new cladesEuopisthobranchia and Panpulmonata.

The gastropods are a much larger group than the bivalves, and they managed to diversify out onto the land several times in their evolutionary past, as well as moving into, and out and back into freshwater, and back into the sea again from the land more than once, so they may turn out to have more radical and unexpected divergences in their evolutionary lineages, but once a lot of molecular work is carried out on the Bivalvia, it's just possible that similar sweeping changes could start happening to bivalve taxonomy. Invertzoo (talk) 22:47, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Ah, that feels better...

And a very cute bunny it is too! Long time since I sent you a message Susan, I hope you are doing well. I just wanted to drop by and say thank you for recommending me to Matthew from the foundation last year. He interviewed me for about an hour over Skype and it was very interesting. I saw your picture up a few times as well during the fund raising period. I hear you brought in more than the big man himself! Great stuff.Antarctic-adventurer (talk) 13:47, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Might as well have a cup of tea with you while I am here as well. ;) Antarctic-adventurer (talk) 13:49, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Invertzoo!!! Nice to see you are back on your feet again. I hope that you are feeling better. I saw your updates to the Pleurotomariidae species articles I created, and your article on Selenizone. Knowing Haliotis the way I do (being a California shell guy, and having done research and growth studies on abalone), I am aware that the holes on the selenizone of abalone fill in just like the slip in "slit shells" does. Each species of abalone has a set number or range of holes that are open, and the older ones get filled in as the snail grows. I will leave it to you if and how you want to phrase that on your article, but I thought that I would mention it to you. Looking great!!! Shellnut (talk) 20:41, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done I have edited the Selenizone article on the abalone, edited the main article on Haliotidae to discuss the selenizone, and edited each of the abalone species articles where appropriate in the description sections to mention the senelizone and provide a link. BTW the abalone species articles are in sad shape, so I might have to get to them when I am done playing with the cone snails. One family at a time, with a few forays for fun into other areas. Focus ... hmmm, what was that I was going to do? Oh yeah, wishing you well. Rest up and get better!!!!Shellnut (talk) 21:53, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Invertzoo! Have you found the buttons? Please look at my Unionoida article now. It is a LOT longer and fleshed out. I could use some cool images of the pearl buttons, freshwater pearls, the fishing equipment used, and the factories if available. I used the FIST tool that JoJan hooked me up with and found some Flickr images, tried to upload two and failed miserably. Sigh! Shellnut (talk) 21:07, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Invertzoo! Me again. I just remembered that I wrote those species articles a while back, before I knew about the talk page and project template classifications. It may be that those species articles are classified as stubs rather than starts. While you are in them editing would you mind checking assessments? Thanks! :)Shellnut (talk) 22:16, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I think I have already been through them all for the Selenizone links. You know, it's OK if you yourself change them from stub to start class. All it needs to qualify for Start is that one section needs to be kind of complete. It's not OK to award fancy status to your own articles like a "B" or even worse an "A", but "Start" is not a problem. I frequently change articles that I began from stub to start when they have expanded a bit. Invertzoo (talk) 23:10, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Susan, Thanks for your note on the automatic taxoboxes. I just created theWikipedia:WikiProject Gastropods/Automatic taxobox with gastropod examples. I have posted about this on the project page as well. —Ganeshk (talk) 23:07, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hi again Invertzoo. I wonder if I may benefit from your wisdom for a moment? I have been, and am planning to continue adding more nudibranch article pages, especially to genuses which are nearly complete anyway. As you can appreciate however, there are many synonyms about and I don't want to create pages for nudis we already have articles for only under a different name. Do you know, is the WORMS database the most upto date and reliable source we have available for nudibranch accepted taxonomy and naming?Antarctic-adventurer (talk) 14:36, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

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