User talk:GeneralNotability/Archives/2020/January

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You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/RHaworth. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/RHaworth/Evidence. Please add your evidence by January 14, 2020, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/RHaworth/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, CodeLyoko^talk 03:21, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

I notice Frank Swart was created again post June AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frank Swart - don't know if this is substantially the same article deleted in June? thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 21:35, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Britishfinance, it's been a while, but to the best of my recollection it's not substantially similar. creffett (talk) 02:22, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2019).

Administrator changes Dreamy Jazz • Newslinger • Rosguill Deor • Spartaz • Xeno Angusmclellan • clpo13 • Edgar181 • Matthewedwards • NCurse

CheckUser changes Bradv • Casliber • David Fuchs • Maxim • Newyorkbrad • SoWhy • Xeno Oversight changes Bradv • Casliber • DGG • David Fuchs • Maxim • Newyorkbrad • SoWhy • Xeno Someguy1221

Guideline and policy news

• A request for comment asks whether partial blocks should be enabled on the English Wikipedia. If enabled, this functionality would allow administrators to block users from editing specific pages or namespaces, rather than the entire site.
• A proposal asks whether admins who don't use their tools for a significant period of time (e.g. five years) should have the toolset procedurally removed.
• Following a successful RfC, a whitelist is now available for users whose redirects will be autopatrolled by a bot, removing them from the new pages patrol queue. Admins can add such users to Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Redirect whitelist after a discussion following the guidelines at Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Redirect whitelist.

Arbitration

• The fourth case on Palestine-Israel articles was closed. The case consolidated all previous remedies under one heading, which should make them easier to understand, apply, and enforce. In particular, the distinction between "primary articles" and "related content" has been clarified, with the former being the entire set of articles whose topic relates to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly interpreted rather than reasonably construed.
• Following the 2019 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: Beeblebrox, Bradv, Casliber, David Fuchs, DGG, KrakatoaKatie, Maxim, Newyorkbrad, SoWhy, Worm That Turned, Xeno.

Miscellaneous

• This issue marks three full years of the Admin newsletter. Thanks for reading!

21:19, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Creffett. Your account has been granted the "extendedmover" user right, either following a request for it or demonstrating familiarity with working with article names and moving pages. You are now able to rename pages without leaving behind a redirect, move subpages when moving the parent page(s), and move category pages.

Please take a moment to review Wikipedia:Page mover for more information on this user right, especially the criteria for moving pages without leaving redirect. Please remember to follow post-move cleanup procedures and make link corrections where necessary, including broken double-redirects when suppressredirect is used. This can be done using Special:WhatLinksHere. It is also very important that no one else be allowed to access your account, so you should consider taking a few moments to secure your password. As with all user rights, be aware that if abused, or used in controversial ways without consensus, your page mover status can be revoked.

Useful links:

• Wikipedia:Requested moves
• Category:Articles to be moved, for article renaming requests awaiting action.

If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! Primefac (talk) 23:52, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

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I dream of horses Thank you! creffett (talk) 02:32, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

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Hi Creffett, you just moved my article to draftspace because it has not enough sources and citations. Because I'm not experienced enough would it be possible to help me editing, so that I can republish it? The Open Product Management Workflow is an important basis and model to visualize all the product management steps, that need to be done in that job. Following two books (one more in German language) are written on that topic:

• "Strategic Product Management according to Open Product Management Workflow"
• "Technical Product Management according to Open Product Management Workflow"

The Workflow as image can already be found in Wikipedia's article "Product Management" and both mentioned books are linked as sources for further reading + references. Do you think these books might serve as trusted sources for the "Open Product Management Workflow" article?

Thanks a lot, --BCharly (talk) 15:06, 13 January 2020 (UTC)BCharly

Hi BCharly! So here's the main issue that I see: other than the images, all of the sources go back to the OPMW framework itself (if I'm understanding correctly that Frank Lemser created it or is a major contributor). Wikipedia's notability rules require significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. In order to establish notability, you'll need to find reliable sources (newspapers, books by other people, etc - see the earlier link for more details) that are independent of the framework. Separately, the tone of the article needs some work - articles are supposed to be written as factual summaries, not as how-to articles. ^creffpublic _{a creffett franchise} (talk to the boss) 14:54, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Creffett, now I understand. The problem is, most product managers just apply the workflow at work and don't write about it... As there are no other sources about the workflow please feel free to delete the article from the draftspace/Wikipedia. I already spent much time to write about it but now I'm absolutely unmotivated and not going to work on it further. Greetings, --BCharly (talk) 15:51, 14 January 2020 (UTC)BCharly

Thank you for the welcome!!! Edits2020 —Preceding undated comment added 14:05, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

sir, but the cited articles no exists now, so I fix it to not have an automatic redirect. It is still a good site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arrek3313 (talk • contribs) 03:56, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

The url with id=somenumber just redirect to the home, so I fix that. No need to revert it. It is same destination 100% test it your end. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arrek3313 (talk • contribs) 03:58, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Arrek3313 If the cited article doesn't exist, then we want to keep the link to the archived version. The purpose of the citation is to provide a reference to the specific page or article that supports the statement, not just link to the website. If the URL with id= redirects to the homepage, then presumably the page being cited has moved - the most useful thing you could do is find where that page moved to on the website and link to it. creffett (talk) 04:01, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

I don't know where it move, but for the current timing, I just fix the redirect. it is the proper tech form... to have less redirect... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arrek3313 (talk • contribs) 04:04, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

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I am new to Wikipedia. Tried add links to page on Dr Ravi Mathai first Director of IIM Ahmedabad. I found that names of Dr Michael Halse and Dr Vergese Kurien were also mentioned as the three ( Mathai Kurien and Halse) contributed to establishment of the Institute of Rural Managament Anand. I added a link to the page on Dr Halse that I wrote. I had worked with Dr Kurien and Mike for long years. I find that link is still there on Ravi Mathai page.

I probably added a few more links from Dairy India Yearbook website. Were those the links that were removed because of policy violations?

I want to understand what to do and not to while adding or editing on Wikipedia.

Please help me understand. I would be grateful.

Thank you 🙏 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vrikshamandir (talk • contribs)

Vrikshamandir, the basic issue is that linking to your own website isn't considered appropriate (per the policy on external links, you should avoid linking to a site that you own, maintain, or represent). We invite you to contribute to all of these pages, but please make sure that your changes are supported by reliable sources, not just personal recollections. I will post a note on your talk page with some more information. creffett (talk) 23:59, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your clarification. I will be careful and not link my own website. The problem is that this man Dr Halse who made such a contribution to Dairying in India, setting up of IIMA and IRMA doesn’t get much recognition. That’s what made me do what I did. Any way I will not link my website.

I take it that I can post links to another website where there are some articles on Dr Halse including one by Dr Ray Goldberg Profession Emeritus Harvard Business School.

That way I will not be violating the Wikipedia policy.

Thank you for your advice and clarifications. I greatly appreciate and would abide by the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vrikshamandir (talk • contribs)

19:41, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Creffet, Cam you help me to cancel the speedy deletion of my article? What do I need to do to cancel the deletion of my article? Pls help me.. Ketsrubelle 15:08, 25 January 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ketsrubelle (talk • contribs)

Hi, I've blocked Importdoortodoor on the English Wikipedia but I appear to be unable to delete their user page as it comes from meta. I'm not logged in to meta and I don't have my phone handy to go through 2FA... if you have an account there could you tag the user page for speedy deletion over on meta? [And a whinge from me as I shout at the clouds: why don't I get logged in automatically to sister sites if I'm logged in here? sigh] --kingboyk (talk) 19:02, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Kingboyk, will do. creffett (talk) 00:16, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

18:52, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Creffett, thanks for your feedback about the wikipedia article on Caroline De Costa. This was the first time I've edited a wikipedia page and I've obviously missed some steps! I'm Caroline's daughter, trying to update the content to correctly reflect the work she has done. I created a section on Samuel Pozzi called 'Research in to the life and work of Professor Samuel Jean Pozzi' because this has been a significant focus for her. She has written 2 books and articles on the topic, links to which I included in the content. I then tried to create Wikipedia pages about those books but they were rejected because the books need to be independently determined to be 'notable'. It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation - she wrote the books, they are for sale, but I can't link to that. I have produced a website which documents all the work she has done on this topic but I don't think I can link to that either. One of the other changes was to remove 2 books which are no longer in print - how does one cite that? Any help much appreciated. :) Viveka-de-costa (talk) 09:03, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Viveka-de-costa, thanks for your message. As someone with a conflict of interest (since you're a close relative of the subject), you should post edit requests to the talk page instead of editing the article directly. The basic rules in play here are the "golden rule" of Wikipedia - for something to deserve an article (or inclusion in an article), it should have significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article. Thus, your website isn't a good source, since it's not independent of the article subject. If you can find other sources that discuss her interest in Samuel Jean Pozzi, then you could suggest the addition on the talk page and provide those sources. Finally, a book being out of print probably doesn't need to be cited, but it would probably be better to just note it as out of print rather than deleting it. creffett (talk) 22:39, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

hi apologies if i am doing this wrong. i am a newbie at this i accept your criticism for Rhona Rapoport and have toned down the language. please tell me if this is ok

ta — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abstractrabbit (talk • contribs) 03:42, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Creffett, thanks for your feedback about the wikipedia article on TOWNEW. We have removed any links that seem to promote our brand, and is written in a neutral tone. We do not believe the page should not be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knectek (talk • contribs)

Knectek, you say "we" and "our brand," so it appears that you have a conflict of interest regarding TOWNEW. I will post additional information about this on your talk page. Please also keep in mind that Wikipedia accounts must only be used by one person, not shared. creffett (talk) 00:09, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Creffett, we are new at this and did not know this, please delete this so we can make the changes. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knectek (talk • contribs) 02:02, 31 January 2020 (UTC)