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The use of line names in the article lead for station names.
I noticed that you have been changing the names of lines in the leads of a number of articles from line to Line. I have just noticed that [[1]] shows as an example "Include only the lines that the station is situated on. (eg. Wolli Creek would have only the T4, T8 and South Coast lines here and also in the train line template below.) " thus it should not be capital letters. This has been discussed quite a bit in the past and that was what settled on at the time.Fleet Lists (talk) 11:51, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Also where you changed the style name by changing "intercity" to "Intercity" the color in the infobox was lost as the template only recognises "intercity"Fleet Lists (talk) 11:54, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Ok thanks for the info. There are stations that do use “Line” (which is why I assumed it was the standard) that I did not edit and have never touched, but I can’t remember which stations had that.
I didn’t mean to change the intercity thing, my bad! Fork99 (talk) 11:56, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi Fork99, I've just seen your post on my talk page. I'm still relatively new to Wikipedia, so I'm still getting to grips with what is considered unnecessary and what should be included in page edits. Thanks for letting me know so I can improve the quality of my edits.
Like you I have my doubts that the replacement will take place this year - we are not saying that it will happen - just that there are plane to do it - if it has not happened by the end of the year we will need to review the situation in both the Freshwater and Manly ferry services articles where it is shown with a different reference.Fleet Lists (talk) 11:58, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
@Fleet Lists: Totally agree, I wouldn't remove it completely either because it's not confirmed yet. As it says, it's possible. My main concern with that section was that it was a bit confusing, so that's why I put a confusing/clarify tag to it. No worries, all sorted for now. Fork99 (talk) 12:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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@Marshelec: Hey, I’ve added some more secondary references including from 1 News, Scoop, Stuff, ODT News, Whanganui Chronicle, Greater Auckland (a public transport advocacy group) and am in the process of making the edits you suggested. Thank you for reviewing my article, it’s my first one :) Fork99 (talk) 06:18, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
Please ping me when you have done what you reasonably can to improve the referencing, and I will review the article again. It would be great to get this published..Marshelec (talk) 02:20, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
@Marshelec: Could you please review the draft again. I've removed almost primary sources where possible, replacing them with news articles and reviewed all of the failed verification sources. I've also done some minor content changes as well. Cheers, Fork99 (talk) 01:59, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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Hi. Just stopping by to let you know while it is appreciated you are categorizing templates, this edit of yours was done incorrectly and caused the category to be included in this weekly database report. It has been fixed here.
Categorization of articles can be tricky enough. Catting templates is even trickier and more tedious. Care must be taken to not damage the function of the template, because it can potentially affect so many other pages.
Generally, in most cases, if there is a /doc (documentation) subpage, then that is where the categories should be placed, and they must be placed between <includeonly>...</includeonly> tags or they wont work. If there is no /doc page, then the template may be directly categorized, but this time the categories must be placed between <noinclude>...</noinclude> tags. This is to prevent the categories from getting transcluded along with the template. When this happens, it causes any and all articles using the template to become miscategorized. I.e. they are placed in the same category as the template itself. Subsequently, any template categories populated with articles, will then get rung up in the database report mentioned above, Much of this and other important things about template catting are spelled out at WP:CAT#T and WP:NOINCLUDE.
Sorry I realised that about placing categories on the doc page after, when dealing with other templates. But I didn’t remember about this one. Thanks for the heads up @DB1729. Fork99 (talk) 16:35, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for creating all of those redirects. I’ve been looking through your page creation history and trying to patrol most of them. Great job! I’ve also nominated you for redirect autopatrolled so your redirects are automatically patrolled. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆(𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 12:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Craigieburn and Albury services use the Albury line. To complicate things, the Albury line has converted to dual gauge, from Jacana to Seymour, and to standard gauge after Seymour, while the Albury service no longer uses the actual Albury line between Melbourne and Jacana.
Shepparton service is on the Tocumwal line.
The standard gauge interstate services (XPT, etc) use what is referred to as the North East Standard Gauge line (which, like the Western SG line, is actually made up of multiple individual lines)
why oh why - when there is an opportunity, it is let go? transport=yes, and no importance - now someone has to go in and assess... why oh why? JarrahTree00:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
@JarrahTree: Do you mean why I didn’t put in the importance? Didn’t realise I needed to, but it seems like, for example: Talk:Queanbeyan railway station was automatically assessed as ‘low importance’ because the parent Australia WikiProject already assessed it as so. Let me know what I can do if there’s any fixing needed. Fork99 (talk) 00:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
maybe I have misread the text of the edit - not making sense... a project tag in 'rater' has the name - melbourne=yes and if you check it has the possibility of adding the melbourne-importance=low. Just leaving it free of the qualifying importance part - it looks like 'low' in the view of the template box, I am now off in real life will look at it again tonight... JarrahTree00:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
as for lack of articles about components of per-way, (cuttings, and whatever) bah humbug. If we had the range of editors with wider views, there are heaps of articles that have not been written. It is all a matter of views of what is, sitting or standing in the cab of an operative locomotive of any type 50 years ago or more is something that someone under certain ages now, would not even comprehend. Interestingly enthusiasts of that era are dying off and the funerals are fast and not much space between.
@JarrahTree: well by all means we can add info to the article, but if we can’t, then I think it should be merged with the railway line’s article. I’m not proposing deletion or anything. Fork99 (talk) 05:41, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
If only - it is a matter of time energy and effort - there are more items of railway operations than I could cover if I had any of the above... JarrahTree05:44, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
I think the issue us that it looks ok when the box is closed - when opened for editing - there is no transport importance=low in there - I would always defer to having a transport importance=low rather than nothing... but then a 'red' talk page tag is where my editing comes from - as I believe the whole assessment process is supported by tagging - even in the default of the 'low' - I once told a million plus editor that I felt that creating cats and arts in/on the main space and leaving nothing at all in/on the talkpage was a bit like topping up the radiator, but avoiding the oil in the engine completely... my sense of trim project tagging with the assessment covered is in the belief that so few do it, the larger project benefits by anything that reduces the vast sea of unknown importance... JarrahTree10:45, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
I think
I have stuffed up - I think I need help - the part of the category -
Oh my, sorry, completely out of my expertise, I’m not very good at templates or tables either. I see you’ve tried to enlist the help of @ThylacineHunter, hopefully he can help! Fork99 (talk) 10:20, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
By the way, just as a gag, this was how we found out if we were under “Greater Sydney” or “Regional NSW” lockdown restrictions back in the day lol. Fork99 (talk) 06:55, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
@Steelkamp: Yeah I’d say so then. Feel free to ask me if you need any help or anything, and tell me how the category discussion goes if I forget about it. Fork99 (talk) 06:57, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
@Steelkamp: So I had a little look around, it seems like metropolitan Victoria and South East Queensland, they already categorise railway stations by their LGA, which is alright in my opinion. They also do naturally have categories for regional stations as well. Yeah, I completely agree with all the suggested changes, as I believe places like Melton and Deer Park which only have V/Line services, are in Greater Melbourne. Fork99 (talk) 07:24, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
Note to self: Turns out the Greater Sydney act mentioned above has been superseded by the Greater Cities Commission Act 2022, which defines 6 cities, 3 of which are considered to be Greater Sydney. Fork99 (talk) 23:58, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
@Jeistyphade: Hi, you’ll also need to take this up with @Steelkamp, as they’ve already done something similar for Transperth railway stations. The rationale is that city boundaries can change over time, while also these rail networks actually extend outside of the city boundaries, so it would not make sense to say that, for example, Mandurah railway station to be in a category called “Railway stations in Perth”, because it’s undeniably not in Perth, but it is on the Transperth rail network. Anyways, renaming categories is a fairly simple process, there’s a process called Categories for Discussion, of which here are the discussions for the Perth related categories: railway stations and bus stations. Fork99 (talk) 20:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
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@Trainandbus123: No worries, I also recommend using edit summaries; they don’t need to be extravagant or anything, something as simple as “fixed typo” or “added info about x” is reasonably good enough (but more detail doesn’t hurt). Just helps out other editors who might want to review your edits. Happy editing, and if you need any help, you can refer to some of the welcome links I placed on your talk page. Fork99 (talk) 11:42, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
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East Perth → Perth?
Hello, Fork99! Is it better if I change the term for East Perth as simply Perth (but still linked to East Perth station)? This is because (1) when referring to the stops of the respective capital cities, it uses the capital city names instead of the station name, e.g. Central → Sydney, Southern Cross → Melbourne, and East Perth is the only exception. (2) Per official website, Journey Beyond does not refer to East Perth as its stop, but simply Perth. (3) For Adelaide, there exists an Adelaide station, but the term used is Adelaide to refer to Adelaide Parklands. If Adelaide can, why not use the city name to refer to East Perth, even if there exists a Perth station? RPC7778 (talk) 09:22, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
I'm from Sydney myself, just my own personal opinion here: I think the actual official and common names given by the respective state governments' transport authorities is preferable to a name given by a private company (Journey Beyond), who like to pretend that some of these stations are in the city centre and not a taxi ride away (such as Adelaide Parklands Terminal and East Perth). If you live in Perth for example, you don't ever call East Perth station by simply just Perth. Because when you say “Perth railway station”, people should assume that refers to the station in Perth CBD (city centre or downtown if you're not from Australia) that only has Transperth's narrow gauge suburban railway lines (+ the Transwa Australind) passing through it with 9 platforms, however if what you actually mean is “East Perth railway station”, that's a completely different station outside of the CBD, which has three platforms, two for narrow gauge Transperth suburban electric train services and one for standard gauge Transwa and Indian Pacific (Journey Beyond) trains.
Similar logic applies for Adelaide Parklands Terminal but slightly different situation there, however for Melbourne and Sydney, when you do say Sydney station, it can be assumed to be the main city station which is correct in these cases. I still would prefer something like “Melbourne (Southern Cross)” rather than just one or the other, and same for Sydney, “Sydney (Central)” rather than just “Central”, “Sydney”, etc. Just so readers understand that that station is indeed for the city of Sydney, but's called Central station, etc.
@Steelkamp: by the way, this is in relation to the adjacent stations module in the infobox of station articles NOT the relevant articles' names. Sorry if that was unclear above. Fork99 (talk) 21:46, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure what edits this conversation is talking about, but if your referring to the station, such as in the adjacent stations module, I would use "East Perth". If your referring to the city, such as in the lead of Indian Pacific, I would say Perth. Steelkamp (talk) 00:30, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
@Steelkamp: In short, is it fine if I change "East Perth" to "Perth" (but still redirects East Perth station) because of my reasons above, or still better to leave the module as it is? RPC7778 (talk) 00:59, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
Actually, now that I'm looking at Module:Adjacent stations/Journey Beyond (I assume that's what your talking about), I see that Melbourne is actually Southern Cross station, Brisbane is actually not even a station, and Adelaide is Adelaide Parklands terminal. I now think it's ok to pipe East Perth station to Perth, considering those other cities are piped as well. We can consider the text to be referring to the city, and the link referring to the station. Steelkamp (talk) 01:19, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
my response times may end up being days or weeks, trust all is well, goes well and whatever... I was very disappointed to see the cable cars included (both proposed and not constructed btw) but have neither the time or capacity to have an in public discussion about either... keep up the good work!! JarrahTree04:26, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
Actually I have found the issue - your edit summary at East Perth railway station:
that East Perth should also have a third side platform for the standard gauge terminal? I'm not sure why we sometimes pretend the terminal isn't part of this article, what's the purpose of the article at Public Transport Centre
East Perth railway station is with that title very confusing for a start - The suburban station using narrow gauge is an island platform connected by an overhead walkway - and in effect a separate operation from that of the east perth interstate terminal standard gauge - with its one very long platform - should/could/perhaps not be considered in the same breath as the suburban item.
To question the reason of the public transport centre is another conversation another time. This might not answer your ping to steelkamp, but at least it is an explanation as to why I left the omg response which I struck out.JarrahTree01:55, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
@JarrahTree, @Steelkamp: the actual concern that @RPC7778 raised was the adjacent station modules' names for city centre stations, and whether it should be something like Southern Cross (Melbourne) or just Melbourne, as the common name is Southern Cross, but from an interstate perspective, it might be considered as Melbourne's station per se. Please continue this conversation at the one below at User talk:Fork99#East Perth → Perth?Fork99 (talk) 05:56, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
I have had an association with the transport history organisations there - if you want help re anything to do with them just ask... on wiki or off JarrahTree11:35, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Your point is well made. May I suggest you now adopt a wait and see approach. In general the less one says at these gatherings the more likely one is to prevail. It's important not to be seen as in any way hectoring the editor being discussed. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrentFaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 11:21, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
@Timtrent: Yeah nah (sorry for my Aussie slang) all good, I think it should be up to admin deliberation now for what needs to be done. I think I've said what is needed to have been said. Fork99 (talk) 11:25, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
This AfC (Article for Creation) decline note was manually deleted (20:56, 3 September 2023 (UTC) by Fork99) to remove an annoying rendering error on my user talk page. It was also previously strikethroughed and nowikified for reasons explained in replies in this section. The diff for Taking Out The Trash's original post is located at Special:Diff/1173347888.Taking Out The Trash (talk) 21:31, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
@Taking Out The Trash: hi I'm a new page reviewer myself, I requested a history merge because of the page's edit history as someone seemed to have mistakenly deleted Daniel Seavey or Draft:Daniel Seavey. Then someone mistakenly recreated an unnecessary draft page. I've done it like that to ensure that this page doesn't get deleted. Sorry that it's a little confusing, I'm not sure of the exact order of events myself. Fork99 (talk) 21:38, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
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A while ago, an incident involving the two of us happened, after which you apologized and I didnt respond. So I know that its been a while, but I was looking into wiki awards and found something interesting that I think would be an appropriate response. I hope this can easy the tension between us. OLIfanofmrtennant (she/her)Questions? has extended an olive branch of peace.
Several days ago you made an edit to Template:WikiProject Australian Roads that used parameters that were already on that page (note 2 and three associated parameters). This causes the page - and the 1800 or so articles that use this template - to appear at Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls. There are a few editors, including me, who check this category page periodically to correct articles with duplicate parameters, but apparently none of us know how to do it correctly, or have the confidence to attempt it, for the page you edited because it has stayed that way for several days. Can you fix the duplication? Thanks. Ira Leviton (talk) 14:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
Oops - my mistake. I clicked on the wrong name. (You edited one of the roads that used this template.) Just ignore or delete my message. Ira Leviton (talk) 14:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing the CoI issue to my attention. I am a colleague in the UITP team and have been tasked with updating the Wiki page to reflect reality. A lot of it is quite outdated, and my revisions were completed to reflect that. I thank you for leaving in the President's name change as that was the most crucial element.
Though I'm hoping we can come to an agreement on some of the changes. For instance, you have reverted the main body text, which includes the location of our offices. You have left in now closed offices such as those in Moscow and Bangalore and it is important for us a non-profit members association that we do not mislead our members or give the wrong impression. There is also a reference to King Leopold II which does not really reflect the organisation's global identity now. In addition, there are many broken or non-existant links which I sought to remedy.
I am hoping that in reverting the changes with some adjustments that this will be acceptable, and am open to a discussion on being as transparent as possible.
@BeD.uitp: Sure, there's just another thing if it's okay with you that I will also remove.
The body of articles shouldn't have external website links, and should either ideally be correctly cited as a reference, or placed in the appropriate ‘External links’ section at the bottom of the article or just omitted entirely. Placing such bare links like this may also be seen as advertising, which states “Adding your website to Wikipedia will not help with search engine optimization, because Google and other search engines ignore links on Wikipedia. In line with Wikipedia policies, you should avoid linking to a site that you own, maintain, or represent—even if Wikipedia guidelines seem to imply that it may otherwise be linked. When in doubt, you may go to the talk page and let another editor decide.” As the article already links directly to your website's homepage in the infobox and at the bottom of the page, there's no need to add links like https://www.uitp.org/topics/metro/ within the body. Fork99 (talk) 07:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
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