User talk:FOARP/Archives/2025/January

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I may not be able to offer you the baton, but I hope you can savour these bâtonnets as you study all the new admin buttons! Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 21:48, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Cheers! And thanks for your work on this! FOARP (talk) 21:50, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Super proud of you!! Welcome to the admin corps :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks Leeky. I can definitely say I couldn’t have done this without your support! FOARP (talk) 08:19, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Just saw you passed, congrats!!! JoelleJay (talk) 17:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks JJ! FOARP (talk) 17:34, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

A very belated congratulations. A well-deserved testament to your good judgment. Choess (talk) 15:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Choess! I do try! Not always successfully! FOARP (talk) 15:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi FOARP. Thank you for your work on Battle of Steamroller Farm. Another editor, SunDawn, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Thank you for writing the article! Have a blessed and wonderful days ahead!

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✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 01:36, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Re: Evidence presented by FOARP for ArbCom. For this kind of information to be useful, I think there are at least two 2 more questions you can ask.

• Why does the title of a page contain the word 'massacre'? How did it happen? e.g. who created the page etc.?
• Are !votes consistent or inconsistent with policy? A bit difficult to measure admittedly, but I suppose consistency with outcome might be an interesting thing. That is what presumably matters, policy-based voting rather than whether a !vote happens to track a POV. Whether a !vote matches a POV doesn't contain information about policy compliance.

Feel free to ignore these suggestions of course. Sean.hoyland (talk) 04:53, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

I would also add: What was the end result? If the article was moved, if so, to what? cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

For interest, pages within A-I topic area that started out with massacre in the title and were moved to new titles. Pinging Zero0000, as they are interested in titles containing this word. Sean.hoyland (talk) 02:53, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

@Huldra and Sean.hoyland: - Thanks for getting in touch. Folks, I'm limited on the number of words I can write in evidence and the point I'm making is not that these people always voted against consensus or that there never was any basis in PAGs for what they were saying, it's that for some of the parties it didn't matter whether there was basis in PAGs or not, and contradictory arguments were being made depending on whether it was an "I" article or a "P" article (i.e., they are POVWARRIORs who are ultimately NOTHERE). However, my diffs are up so if you want to make a submission based on them please go ahead (I think Zero0000 has already done this). I'll review the above list and see if more discussions can be added, though I'm not going to go back earlier than late 2023. FOARP (talk) 11:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Understood. I'm still thinking about whether to submit evidence. Ideally, it would just be a web page with big button that says 'GO!', and some hours later, if the servers are in a good mood, the evidence might be rendered for the person...maybe. Sean.hoyland (talk) 11:29, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, obviously there's other stuff I could have talked about, and it would be great if there was some easier way of explaining things. I think you can see from the above discussion with BM that "airstrike" versus "attack" was a conflict-area also, likely because "airstrike" sounds clinical whilst "attack" sounds more aggressive. But, I only have 500 words, and not for no reason either - ARBCOM doesn't have infinite time.

I actually only just looked at the preliminary statements page and saw that "massacre" had been a big area of discussion. What triggered me to do that was closing the Hollit discussion (which, as was typical, was challenged) and then seeing people make, for a Palestinian-focused page, what appeared to be contradictory arguments to the ones they made when the topic was Israeli. FOARP (talk) 13:20, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello! I'm bringing this up here since I'm not allowed to participate in the RfC because WP:RUSUKR prevents me (unlike 77.241.128.28, who seems exempt), but this Kyiv Independent article[1] has an example of a Ukrainian government source alleging NK combatant involvement.

I find myself in a weird situation where I want to contribute to the discussion in good faith, and I could contribute much more effectively/efficiently if I could respond to people's comments directly. I've somewhat jokingly thought of making edit requests for restricted areas of the talk page, since as far as I can tell nothing says I can't do that, but here I am for now! Placeholderer (talk) 00:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I don’t see any need to respond to the IP. FOARP (talk) 06:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi FOARP, this notice is for everyone who took part in the 2023 RfC on lists of airline destinations. I have started a new RfC on the subject. If you would like to participate please follow this link: Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not § RfC on WP:NOT and British Airways destinations. Sunnya343 (talk) 01:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

This RFC was a mistake, as you can see from the response. FOARP (talk) 07:03, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Let me upgrade this to “big mistake”. Never ask complex questions bundling matters together like this if your intention is to get a “yes” result, because in reality you’re just unifying your opposition and dividing your support.

To get a “yes” on WP, the question needs to be as simple and as clear as possible. FOARP (talk) 09:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Just wanted to say thanks, I agree with your case and appreciated discussing it with you last month. I'm not veteran enough to have my comments stick, but I appreciate bringing up the China example. It's a good one, probably better than Libya or Artsakh TheBrodsterBoy (talk) 04:03, 21 January 2025 (UTC)