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Thanks for your edits on Britten! Always nice to see another good editor in classical music. You seem pretty adept at wiki-markup, have you been editing as an IP? Anyway, welcome, and feel free to ask me any questions you might have. Mak(talk)05:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, and thanks for your note. I hope you will join the project if you are interested in opera. Re. spolier tags, we had a big discussion about them (it's in the archives) and decided to take them out. On role/voice type/first cast tables we have a model which is at Il campiello. Let me know if you have any other questions, and once again welcome to WP opera! - Kleinzach06:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Re:Sound recording
I just noticed your addition of a sound recording to Curlew River. Copyright is complicated, and I don't claim to understand it completely, but I have two concerns - firstly, I think the excerpt might be a bit long to be fair use, but I might be making that up. Secondly, it is unclear what specifically it is illustrating. In order for its use to be "fair use" I think you need to describe the excerpt specifically, and show how it illustrates a concept. So, for instance, you could talk about the use of the flute and how it represents the Madwoman in this instance? Note that I haven't been brave enough to upload any fair-use music :-) Also, when you have only one item, you can just use the Template:Listen (I've already changed the template). Cheers, Mak(talk)04:05, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your feedback--I was a little worried about the same things. I think/hope that the length is okay because it's not a complete track (the only concrete guideline wikipedia gives), and because the quality is a lot lower than on the cd. That's my story, anyway.
I know I'm lazy to upload it without incorporating it into the text, but I wasn't sure the upload would work. I'll certainly type up a little paragraph about it.
Thanks a lot for all your work on this article. It was my first article and I made a whole load of newbie mistakes on it and because it's quite obscure no one was there to clean it up. You've made it look a lot better and have added some good stuff too it, so thanks. You seem to be doing a lot of Britten stuff, so keep up all the great work. Cheers, Moreschi19:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I don't really have any qualifications, but I do want to make a project out of the Britten. There's a used copy of Peter Evans' book I've got my eye on to steal some quotes. It'd be nice to have a little musical analysis of the bigger works.
(Posted on the Engineer Bob talk page:) Hullo. Is the category you added to the CIVIL warS a joke, or is there a movement afoot to allow lower-case initials? That would be nice, since in this case the typography was a conscious choice on the part of the creator.
Dybryd05:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That category has existed for quite some time; Wikipedia recognizes that some articles should begin with a lower-case letter, but for technical reasons all must start with a capital letter. When I stumbled across this article today I added the appropriate note and category for you. Engineer Bob05:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Albert Herring
Hi - I didn't see the discussion you refer to, but curious as to why you have deleted paragraph about Spenser? Tony22:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)Tony[reply]
I just don't think the friendship with Spenser is notable in terms of the work. Harry is a minor character and the role wasn't written for him the way (for example) Lucretia was written for Kathleen Ferrier or Oberon for Alfred Deller. Seemed weird to have a whole paragraph about some random kid when we don't discuss the ongoing relationship with Joan Cross or even Peter in the article.
You'll notice I also cut John Newton from the Curlew River page (sorry--I did give notice and wait a day for response). In that case, Newton didn't even originate the role, he was one of many boys who sang it. I left the note about David Hemmings on the Screw page, because in that case the detail did seem important to the meaning of the work.
Thanks for the article on the book--it's the first I've heard of it.
Hello - me again. If you read Britten's Children, it is very clear that all the boys Britten befriended were attractive. It is, I believe, an important aspect of Britten's make up. Tony22:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)Tony[reply]
Well, I haven't read the new book, but I have seen photos of some of the boys he took under his wing in Humphrey Carpenter's biography. Most seemed to be quite ordinary, skinny little kids. Of course Britten was attractED, but he had his own reasons for that, and I don't think they had to do with beauty.
ps You're right about Tadzio being a Dancer. I never quite understood why Britten made the boy older i.e. 15, particularly as the original Tadzio that Thomas Mann fell for was 11/12 and yet he was older in the novella (13/14?). Death in Venice isn't one of my favourite's actually, may be because the book and Visconti's film had etched themselves into my brain. On the other hand The Turn of the Screw is brilliant and definitely adds something to Henry James' work. Tony23:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)Tony[reply]
Matthew Stadler
By the way, I put that "film critic" into his heading, but I'm not really sure he is a "film" critic. Maybe just a critic, or a journalist, or an essayist.... at any rate, I'll let you fix that Wjhonson00:43, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I would probably just say journalist. But I understand he is also a visual artist--the magazine he put out for a few years (which I never saw) was of graphic arts as well as fiction, and directed the illustrations for his first two books. That might be more significant.
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Thank you. Please use the proper format for the refs in the future, but do you happen to have the ISBN number for that source? That would be a great help. pschemp | talk04:34, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Trisha Meili
I didn't know where else to bring this up.
User:70.23.199.239: "Thus, Meili was identified by white-owned media as the 'Central Park Jogger.'"
User:Dybryd "identification by the media - not clear that all media other than two newspapers and one radio station is 'white-owned.')"
I never made any such assumption. I was referring to a host of specific media organizations, all of which were white-owned, all of which sought to shield the victim from publicity, and which were where perhaps 95 percent of white New Yorkers (excepting those involved in, or friends or relations with people in the media, law enforcement, or politics) got their news on the case (all local TV news operations, CBS, ABC, NBC and Fox' national news operations, CNN, Fox News, New York news radio, the New York Times, Daily News, New York Post, New York Newsday and even the radical leftwing Village Voice).
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Are those media organizations "white-owned"? Why do you think so? I became interested in the case through Joan Didion's essay "Sentimental Journeys" which focuses on the role of race in the way the case was reported and discussed. Glancing through the essay, I see that Didion writes: "one of the problems with not naming this victim: she was in fact named all the time. [...] she was named, in the days immediately following the attack, on some local television stations."
I'll add the bit about the TV stations (which Didion, annoyingly, doesn't list) to the article.
He is an Austrailian film producer whose films have been featured at the New York Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, & Transgender Film Festival. I noticed that you contributed the article on the festival. The Bayliss article is in AfD and needs some documentation of his significance. Do you have sources which might help to persuade the AfD editors of his notability?
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Unacceptable
Your recent edit of another's post is unacceptable. I've let your other personal attacks and incivility go. Keep this up and I will ask for others to step in. You can disagree with others and their actions without elevating it to the level of personal attacks, incivility, and needless hostility. --ElKevbo18:54, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am trying to make Betacommand, Durin, and now apparently you aware that you have created an atmosphere of incivility on Wikipedia. That you are blind to this makes me sad for you and sad for Wikipedia.
I do think that Betacommands actions are, in themselves, inappropriate. The guideline he is crusading for is redundant and unnecessary. Applying it in any way would be disruptive to Wikipedia.
However. His aggression and high-handedness, and the fact that he is making threats of deletion against good faith editors when the guideline he is basing his threats on doesn't even have consensus yet, and is still under discussion, mean that an obnoxious editing style greatly compounds the problem that misguided administration creates. Dybryd19:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome to hold and express your opinion, even if that opinion differs from my own and others'. But please help us keep the discourse civil! Your post above is an excellent example of how things should be said and expressed!
You might also be interested in joining or monitoring the conversation here. It's one of several places this same conversation is occurring. --ElKevbo19:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've noticed you've said something like this a few times on a few different talk pages. I thought you should know that you are actually incorrect. The fair use rationale requirement was a part of policy long before WP:FURG even existed. FURG is a guideline to help follow a policy, but the policy was there first. -- Ned Scott21:31, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Orson Scott Card
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Matthew Stadler
I don't understand why you posted your edit as "TheRealMatthewStadler." Who are you? What is your interest in altering the Wikipedia posts about me and my work? I received a note from another user that you also deleted all the material I contributed regarding my novel "The Sex Offender." Please tell me who you are and why you are erasing corrections I make to the posts about my work and my novels.
As I've said on your talk page, I apologize for the flippant account name and for not making my point clearer. Creating a sockpuppet as an example was the wrong way to get the idea across -- especially since I apparently failed to get it across!
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Your proposed new stuff looks like exactly what the article needs. I want to give it a proper read-through this weekend, but at first glance I think it'll totally bump the article up that last notch to FA level. Dybryd01:33, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The LGBT studies project has been rather quiet of late. Though we've added over 180 new members in the last year, only a small percentage are active participants. If you haven't visited our project or talk page in a while, please stop by for a look. Also, if you happen to bump into another editor who you feel might enjoy working with us, please extend an invitation. There's lot's do do, and the active members would sincerely appreciate some help.
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Hi, I've added to my watchlist for rolling back vandalism but besides that i can ponly help on a small chunk at a time. You might pick the most problematic aspects and list those at LGBT talk for specific help on specific items. If it's dead simple stuff I'm happy to help as time allows. Benjiboi03:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I know -- I'm being super-scattered as usual, seeing a million things to do and not doing any of them! Actually, I think the main push for the LGBT project right now ought to be getting conversion therapy up to the mark for featured status. Dybryd03:40, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I feel your pain! Personally I have little current interest in moving article up from one to th next so I imagine there are others as well who could help on spot issues. Maybe add a task list to the talk page? Benjiboi03:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to ask you to provide more commentary on the article National Labor Federation as a disinterested party. None of the currently active editors has shown bad faith--but there are disagreements over style and content that are unlikely to be resolved with just two or three editors; the comments of an outsider with a passing interest in the article would be particularly valuable.Whosasking18:39, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh man. I have a lot of sympathy for the work you're doing, but it seems like that article is a huge project in itself, and I have a lot of things I'm neglecting already. What about starting a Request for Comment? Dybryd19:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, i added TOC and a section header so table of contents is at top of your talk, hope it helps if not simply delete them. Benjiboi22:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Can we find common ground?
I do not think that Wikipedia coverage of pederastic history and theory is at odds with a responsible approach to LGBT topics, but I have a feeling you do. Care to discuss that? Haiduc22:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not really! I of course don't think that coverage of any notable topic is off-limits, but I think your entire redefinition project is POV, and I think you know quite well that it is. However, I don't have the energy to argue about it, or to do extensive fact-checking on a subject I find depressing. So, basically, I'm not real happy, but I'm never going to do anything substantive about it, and you have little need to engage me in debate. I posted to the ANI discussion simply to make it clear that your statement on pederasty did not represent a consensus view within the LGBT project. Dybryd20:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I make a real effort to question everything I do, and to be as objective as I can. My view is that pederasty is a neutral topic, with positive and negative aspects. It also happens to be integrated into the gay scene in Europe, where older adolescents are legally empowered to give consent to love relationships with adult partners. And it also happens to be the only real foothold homosexuality has in the domains of history, culture and philosophy, if you exclude the 20th and the 21st centuries. So I would like you to consider the possibility that you are doing a real disfavor to the LGBT sphere in Wikipedia by trying to drive a wedge between pederasty and modern androphilia (and may I say, an androphilia possessed of a queer fascination with depilated bodies and with guys calling each other "boy," and with "just legal" type porno). Anyway, I respect your wish to not engage in further debate, I will not be returning here unless you wish me to. Regards, Haiduc02:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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I see you reverted the stub. I'm curious about the logic or this. Oratorios etc are usually listed as compositions - under the scope of Classical Music, rather than the Opera project. It's not that important but it affects bot runs. -- Kleinzach04:04, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I just thought the opera stub would better help the article make its way to the right editors - which I understand as the point of stub categories. The stub does say "or opera-related subject" and it's as a source of arias in the operas that the cantata is most notable.
It's not a big deal. "Composition" sounds okay, but again, stubs on vocal music seem more likely to receive informed attention from editors focused on opera than writers on classical music in general. Dybryd04:10, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've now found another one so I've raised it as a question on the Opera Project. Many of us are active on both projects but the idea is to keep a clean division because of the bots - to avoid having to do a lot of preparatory work before doing a run. Thanks. -- Kleinzach04:19, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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With regard to your post at Wikipedia talk:Non-free use rationale guideline, I see that you have been warned about incivility in dealing with this topic before. Our image policies are complicated and can be frustrating indeed. Not everybody agrees with them and the way they are enforced. Still, this is no justification for incivility on your part. Please try to work through the issues on the various talk pages and stay cool, stepping back as necessary. Lashing out like you did at the end of this post is only going to get you blocked. It won't change policy, and it won't make anybody sympathetic to your cause. Thanks! --But|seriously|folks04:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's helpful for these folks to have it made clear how their actions affect the mood of the community. Swearing is a simple way of expressing this. I agree that civil interaction is devoutly to be wished for, but when civility has been tacitly breached, I think it's just more realistic to make that breach explicit. Dybryd05:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Hey, Peeps, it's that time of the month again (no not that time — get your mind out of the gutter): time for another monthly edition of the LGBT Project'sLove Boat newsletter from your cruise directorMiss Julie. So much has been happening this month and I just can't wait to tell you all about it!!!
Alice and her harasser
Let's start with some good news: Alice and the project lost the bothersome sock puppet who had been disrupting many articles we monitor, and now most of us can edit in relative peace. Congratulations, Alice, for being able to come out of semi-retirement. Benjiboi, on the other hand, has gained an anonymous IP stalker who seems to be more Catholic than the Pope and who has a hard-on for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. We seem to have a sort of Yin and Yang thing going on here, which helps both to keep us in balance and on our toes <bright smiles all around>.
Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher
Albus Dumbledore got outed this month, and was immediately adopted by our project. The international brouhaha surrounding this disclosure reached all the way to Wikiland, and his article was briefly locked due to homophobic vandalism (as well as well meaning editors who just couldn't believe that that nice man could possibly be gay). This is a wonderful article to add to your watchlist, and will surely give you hours of reverting fun on cold winter days.
"My Fellow Americans"
On a more serious note, Fireplace has suggested a new article series about LGBT rights in the United States, state by state. This ambitious topic will surely require many editors and a lot of research, but has the potential to add further prestige to our already prestigious project.
Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages
Francis Bacon (not the new gay one, but the old gay one ... though they're actually both dead, now that I think about it) has also aroused passions here on Wikipedia, with editors opposing his sexuality being disclosed in his biography. The always helpful Haiduc has thoughtfully provided any number of sources, but it is slow going getting his point across. Anyone want to lend a hand?
Beat writer arouses Irish guy
And speaking of passions, Jack Kerouac has inflamed the senses once again with editors, including administrator Irishguy, mounting a spirited defense to keep him as heterosexual as possible for Wikipedia purposes. Why? I don't know. Perhaps some of you can drop by the talk page and ask your questions there. I feel certain a stimulating debate will ensue that will be enjoyed by all.
Love those Texas Longhorns
Did you know that one of our Featured articles, Lawrence v. Texas, lost its shiny gold star? That was a shocker. It has been suggested that we turn our attention to it in an effort to restore it to its former glory. I took a peek, and it does need our help badly. For our American editors, it would seem almost a civic duty to edit it (not that I'm hinting....).
Point and Counterpoint
Though it was far too intellectual a debate for a mere cruise director like myself to take part in, Intersexuality was certainly a hot topic a week or two ago. The thrust of the debate was over inclusion in our project. Lots of good editors had lots of good opinions. For those too lazy to check out the discussion, we decided to leave it out for now.
Drudgery on offer
Peer review is, as always, short staffed and seemingly unloved. Wouldn't you feel better about yourself and the world in general if you took a few minutes to read one of the listed articles and offer some helpful advice? I know I'd feel better if you did.
"My Fellow Americans" redux
The article LGBT movements in the United States certainly raised eyebrows last week, especially when it was discovered that copyrighted content had been added to our article. Tragedy was averted at the last minute, though, when the original hosts of the article where the material had been pilfered agreed to make it free to everyone. Our thanks to them, whoever they are. Busy Bee that I am, I haven't had time to read it, but I'm sure it's sensational.
Not content to run for Best Actress, plucky Bannon won a Best supporting actress Oscar... whoops, I meant to say Ann is also getting more than her share of womanly attention on the Good Article list. Joining her on this exalted plane are Freddy Mercury, Waylon Smithers and Lance Bass. Good articles indeed, and the last one mentioned just goes to show that one needn't admire the subject of an article to appreciate the effort put into making him worthwhile reading. What on earth Britney ever saw in him I'll never know. Truly a riddle cloaked in an enigma and wrapped around a puzzle.
On a personal note, your already overworked cruise director is being cyberly whipped almost daily by Nemissimo, who desperately wants to get the German BDSM translation copy edited and used as a replacement for the current one. It's such a ... err, stimulating topic that I am sure many of you will want to join the copy editing fun. Jump right in, folks! It's so lonely copy editing it all by my lonesome!
Late breaking news
A little birdie just whispered in my ear that our noble collaboration project was delisted from the Community Portal due to inactivity. When asked how this scandalous turn of events could have occurred, the answer I received was "we suck at stuff like that". Well. In the first place, I disagree that sucking should be considered a negative, but to each his or her own. In the second place, I have full confidence that we can and will collaborate with other projects in the future. So let's not view this as a setback (even though it is), but rather a challenge to improve (and good Lord, I sound almost Wikipedian!).
Champagne dreams and caviar kisses
Lastly, the holidays are rapidly approaching. Our American cousins are currently getting ready to slaughter masses of poultry in an effort to show their gratitude and generally peaceful demeanor, and those of the Canadian persuasion, trendsetters that they are, celebrated a bit early this year. I'm sure all us foreigners will join together in wishing them all a very happy Thanksgiving on their respective holidays, both already celebrated and forthcoming... though I would hope somebody would enlighten me as to why they don't celebrate it on the same day. I was awake all last night trying to figure that one out.
In the spirit of this peculiarly North American holiday, let me take a moment to thank all of our editors for their contributions to this project. It's people like you who make people like me...well, a "people person"! May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon.
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Delivered on 12:00, 1 November 2007 (UTC).
criminals
Just seen that somebody is putting up a series of articles (biography format) of Orthodox Rabbis convicted of sexual abuse. Wondered whether any consensus had emerged from your own questions a little while back about otherwise-non-notable criminals? --Paularblaster (talk) 00:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Quelle Suprise! King James is a Queen!
Our dear Haiduc, never a stranger to controversy, recently decided to delve into the wardrobe of the British Monarchy, and what did he discover? King James had more than appreciative eyes for strapping young men! Naturally, Haiduc felt the need to share this news with the community, but instead of being praised for his scholarship, he was reviled. In fact, one rabid heterocentrist even rummaged around in his own wardrobe until he found an old pair of socks to play with. All seemed lost until astute editor Jeffpw noticed some odd postings and did some sleuthing of his own. The socks were uncovered, the Wicked Witch was melted and readers the world over were able to learn that Good King James regularly ordered tube steak from the menu of the day. Thank you, Haiduc! Thank you, Jeff! And let Miss Julie add (for readers who might not know) that tube steak tastes just like chicken!
It's Britney, Bitch!
Well, maybe it's not Miss Thang, herself, but it's the next best thing: Chris Crocker! he stirs up just about as much controversy as his idol does, even here on Wikipedia. Though it's all a bit of a muddle, one of our editors hopes you can drop by the talk page and leave a message of hope for those battling the forces of obstructionism in that little corner of the Wiki World. It is so hard to spread enlightenment. As Miss Parker herself said, "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think".
Game show for nerds
Wallowing in cash from the latest beg-a-thon, the powers-that-be have decided to sponser a little contest here to improve the articles, with a Grand prize of $100. Yeah. Just enough for a Burger King dinner for the family. Still, the thought is nice and the goal is noble, so we should support it. Our little Queer beehive has taken a look at what's on offer, and both the Greek Traditionalists and Daughters of Bilitis are well represented. The ever useful SatyrTN has made a little list, which can be found here (if that malignant bot hasn't archived it already, that is). So find a pal, roll up your sleeves and dive right in. Let's show this Encyclopedia just what Queers with firecrackers up their....err, I mean, let's show the others what we can do.
Jón Þór Birgisson
I can't pronounce his name, but he's awfully cute, he's deliciously foreign, and best of all...he's GAY! But he won't be for long, if certain users have their way. A concerted effort has been under way for a while now, designed to neuter poor Jon (pretend I put a little accent thingy over that O) and make him into a sort of rockin' Ken doll. So please watchlist this hunka man, and keep him queer! If anybody questions you, tell them "Miss Julie sent me".
TranSanta
Everybody loves a sequel
Readers not afflicted with Alzheimer's will remember that last month we had a little story about Alice and her harasser. That proved so popular that we bring you the sequel: Benjiboi and his stalker. After a chance meeting at the Michael Lucas article, this anonymous user took a shine to our Benjiboi, and has been showering him with attention on virtually every board on Wikipedia. Flattered though he is, Benjiboi finds the attention a bit distracting, and administrators have been seeking various remedies for this. It has proven difficult, as the stalker has an IP address that changes quicker than Superman in a telephone booth. So perhaps some of you would like to watchlist Benjiboi's page, and lend a hand if you see some love letters from an 11 digit friend. I was actually thinking we should get Alice's harasser and Benjiboi's stalker together. Then we could have another sequel, sort of like Freddy vs. Jason. Any bets as to who would win??
Not quite the second coming, but special just the same
Let me be the first to give a warm, wet, Love Boat kiss (though not with tongue) to our newest Project members: Jacksinterweb, Cleduc, Pigman, Becksguy and Iamandrewrice. Even in the month of our Saviour's birth, your popping into our Wikipedian lives is a blessed event indeed. As Jesus Himself said, "Live long and prosper". He did say that, didn't he? I think he said it. In any event, if he was standing next to me now, I'm sure he'd say it, and add, "Happy homo editing!"
Battle of the Wikipedia Stars!
Indomitable Ann Bannon is holding her own in Wikipedia's answer to American Idol: The Featured Article candidate list! For four feverish weeks, she has mastered the challenges and not been eliminated from the competition. Drop by the FAC page and show Ann you love her....or give her the hook (I'm not supposed to tell you how to vote). Giving our plucky Ann reason to hope is the recent promotion of List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sa-Sc. If Miss Julie has her way, we will have the entire alphabet of Queerdom Featured here on Wikipedia soon! And I would be remiss if I did not give a warm, Lesbian salute to our own Belovedfreak, who showed Wikipedia with But I'm a Cheerleader that even pom poms are no protection from the Love that dare not speak its name, and got a gold star for her efforts.
Climbing the Wikipedia career ladder is User: Tim1965, who has not only written, but is now promoting Reel Affirmations to Good article status. Best of luck, Tim, and remember: there are no small parts, only small actors. We're sure you'll be trading that green circle for a gold star soon (assuming you get the green in the first place!).
Santa's on his gay way!
Santa needs elves
Yes, I know: packages need buying, trees need trimming, egg nog needs drinking. The holidays make many demands on our time. It's ...well, it's a bitch, is what it is. So I wouldn't blame you for skipping this little section and putting off my request until next year. But...think of the children. Our future. They need quality information about the homosexual "lifestyle" if we are to indoctrinate them properly. That's why I am asking you to drop by our Peer review area and give your meaning as to the efforts of your fellow gay Wikipedians. And think: in this season of kindness and good will to all, isn't it nice that I am pointing you to someplace where you can (in a Wikiloving way, of course) rip someone a new asshole? Think about it...and those children with their shiny, bright eyes, thanking you for contributing to their future.
Even more festively, consider joining in on the deletion discussions of our favorite articles. Here you can bandy about such words as "homophobia", "Right-wing Christian agenda" and my personal favorite, "just who do you think you're pushing around?!?!?". If you play your cards right, there might even be an extra present under the tree for you. :-D
Urgent Christmas appeal Tovojolo asked me to ask you to edit Elizabeth Bishop as part of the Collaboration Project. She's an old dead poet (Miss Bishop, not Tovojolo. I've never actually met Tovojolo. She's probably very young and attractive. Maybe somebody should ask if she's single), but she was a flaming homosexual long before most of us had even been conceived, so we owe her some respect. Tovojolo actually asked me for the last newsletter, but Miss Julie forgot. Bad Miss Julie. She was so busy boosting morale it just slipped right by her. Nemissimo, maybe you need to crack that whip again to get Julie back in line.
Surrender, Dorothy!!!!!!! Friend of Dorothy has attracted the attention of a group of....the more senior elements of our gay society. They disagree with our thesis that Saint Judy was the possible source of the term, and demand we change the article to reflect their contention that Dorothy Parker was the origin. The problem is, their source didn't check out. So we agreed to disagree. Well, we at the project did. They got kinda mad at us, said unkind things, and started edit warring. Though they are old, they are certainly quick, and could revert the article faster than my nimble fingers could press the undo button. To quote the divine Miss Parker, every time I saw the article on my watchlist, I thought to myself, "What fresh hell is this?". The page was protected by sympathetic administrators, but keeping an eye on it will keep Dorothy safe from future Wicked Witches of the West or East.
Ambrosia
Our dear Benjiboi has been busy indeed, lately. He recently made fruit salad out of Fruit, turning a once nasty word into a damn good article, and saving it from deletion! Congratulations, Benjiboi! I hear he has turned his attention from fruit to poultry now. Before he is through, he will have turned every major food group gay on Wikipedia!
Christmas came early
Yes, indeed! Valued administrator WJBscribe was raised out of the mire of mid-level management and placed squarely into the Pantheon of Bureaucracy! And Miss Julie is just too proud of him not to mention that he got the most support votes in the history of Wikipedia! Congratulations, WJB! We know you will not prove the Peter Principle correct!
You!
Yes, you! It's you who make this project shine! It's you who make Wikipedia such a valuable resource for all humanity! And it's you who make Miss Julie's dull life just a little bit better. So I want to take this moment to thank each and every one of you for all you do here. Merry Christmas, everybody! Happy Hanukkah! Festive Kwanzaa!Delirious Dong Zhi!Delicious Diwali! And for our oppressed Iranian brothers and sisters, I wish you a safe and joyous Yalda. And if I didn't mention your favorite December holiday, well, it's because I feel it's so special I should just keep it between you and me. Always remember: You light up my life!
May we all have a joyous holiday season, and a safe, healthy, happy and prosperous 2008.
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Ms Julie is .. unavailable .. this month, so Isaac and Gopher have stepped in to put this newsletter thing together. We may not be as funny as you're used to, but if you'd like a free drink, come see me at the bar. That might help. Maybe. And no, there aren't any flashing lights or fancy pictures this month - I'm still recovering from a whopping hangover. Julie's recovering too, but that's a story I'll let her tell.
Two New Featured Articles (and...)
Emma Goldman was promoted to Featured status on 2007December 27. If you don't know Ms. Goldman, she was a Lithuanian anarchist. Aren't many of those around, really, so having one of our very own is special. She'll be dancing the Cha-Cha on the Promenade deck later tonight.
Ann Bannon was promoted to Featured status on 2007December 3. Faithful readers may remember Moni moaning that we didn't mention this promotion in the last newsletter. Happy now?
The marathon efforts of Dev920 against her astonishing abilities of procrastination continued this month, and she managed to update the Portal's main articles. Whether she will finally beat her procrastination pixies in submission and update the biographies remains to be seen, but Jeffpw has leapt to the rescue and taken it upon himself to do all our lovely news. Friends, lend us your goodwill and your eyeballs, and mosey on over to see all Jeff's hard work.
Also, back in October 2007, Allstarecho and Benjiboi worked diligently on the "WP:LGBT Random Quote" and "WP:LGBT Random Picture" sections of the portal. They added many new quotes and pictures but, and yes here's the cat's meow friends... you can now use these on your own user pages! To add the "WP:LGBT Random Quote" to your own userpage, use: {{Portal:LGBT/Quotes}} And to add the "WP:LGBT Random Picture" to your own userpage, use: {{Portal:LGBT/Pics}} If you'd like to see it in action, check out Allstarecho's userpage for both in action and Benjiboi's talk page for the Quotes in action!
The long, slow race toward FP status continues...
Bisexual Awareness Month
Folks in Utah are celebrating Bisexual Awareness Month. For our own wikicelebration, Alison suggests we try to bring Bisexuality at least up to good article status. Working on the Utah article would be encouraged, but do it stealthily - they don't like us to be *too* open.
A cunning plan
In a move sure to bring her fame and fortune at last, Dev920 (talk·contribs) has proposed that an FA buddying system be set up, to help nudge frightened tikes who also happen to write killer ass articles over that initial first FAC hurdle. Anyone interested in shepherding duties, or anyone interested in being made to lie beside still waters (handcuffs are optional), do drop Dev an RSVP so she can start battering those darned pixies...
Zigzig20s has mentioned a desire to work on .. desire. Specifically literature by and about LGBT desire. To facilitate "LGBT Literature" taskforce, there will be shuffleboard and lesbian fiction on the foredeck later in the afternoon. Signup if you're interested.
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Project member Moni3 has been working on the article for Barbara Gittings and noted that the Lambda Literary Foundation used the lead paragraph from Wikipedia, skillfully and lovingly written by Moni3, verbatim in the Lambda Literary Pioneers calendar. Moni3 contacted the Lambda Literary Foundation to let them know, and to ask if we could get a little write-up in the next Lambda Book Report. There is a preliminary text you can find here. Feel free to add to it. It should be no longer than 1,000 words, and it needs to be submitted by March 15.
Place yourself in a user category so you can collaborate with other LGBT/Allied Wikipedians!
Mostly for allies of LGBT people; To place yourself in Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues, just add [[Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues|?]] to your userpage and change the question mark to your username OR add this userbox by placing {{User:UBX/LGBTinterest}} on your userpage.
Mostly for people who identify as either Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual or Transgender; To place yourself in Category:LGBT Wikipedians, just add [[Category:LGBT Wikipedians|?]] to your userpage and change the question mark to your username OR add a userbox found at User:Xaosflux/UBX/Sexuality#Sexual orientation.
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Hello, members and friends of WP:LGBT! I'm not one to be writing newsletters, but I miss our cruise director, Miss Julie, and our project is drifting along with a few leaking plugs in the bottom of the boat. Hey, it happens. Every group we join goes through changes. If Wikipedia weren't so interesting it wouldn't also be so frustrating sometimes. And vice versa. More than one Wikiproject has tumbleweeds blowing through it, but this is one that can't afford to let that happen. Even if you pop in to the talk page of the project, you can let us know you're still around.
WP:LGBT's Role in HIV / AIDS articles
It wouldn't be a proper gay community without a li'l bit o' drama! That's right. If we aren't arguing about something, then we should be asking if we're still queer. Maybe that's for the best, since we know we're still kicking. Our most recent topic is how far the role of our project should go in dipping our toes into HIV/AIDS articles. The main AIDS article was delisted as a Featured Article last month, sadly. (Sending a swift kick to WP:Medicine.) A spirited discussion is available for your entertainment on the WP:LGBT talk page about just how much of HIV and AIDS should we take on. As ever, we'll take your opinions under advisement. We're going to have to, because it doesn't seem to have been settled.
Is Pride POV?
We have a pretty cool sidebar that identifies core LGBT articles. Its symbol is the iconic gay pride flag, much like other Wikiprojects have iconic symbols denoting the topic is a core subject in a series of articles. However, a question recently arose asking if the symbol itself is not neutral. Should a pride flag show up at the top of the article on Conversion therapy? How else would anyone know the article is about queer issues? Is there another symbol that is as widely recognized and that includes all our many splintered facets? At what point do we stop asking ourselves all these questions and just go have a mint julep on the verandah and stop caring?
For the love of all that is holy, no Kool Aid jokes. However, an editor involved in pioneering San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk's article has included a section about the late supervisor's support of Jim Jones and the People's Temple. While it may be accurate, there is a Request for Comment regarding how much emphasis the section places on Milk's support in light of his overall political influence on the city, and indeed the rest of the United States. Milk's article is a sad one in more ways than one. It lacks the detail and heart that honors its subject. Anyone want to do a barter with me? I'll bring Harvey Milk to featured status (give me a month or two so I can read stuff), if you do something of equal value to WP:LGBT?? Make me an offer...
Queer Studies is offensive!
The established branch of study known as Queer studies was brought up as an category for deletion because an editor was offended by the use of "queer" in the title. It was overwhelmingly rejected mostly by the usernames I see here on our Wikiproject page. (A clue that I know you are out there, hiding...biding your time...) So, I wish I could congratulate you, but now I'm all confused by my sympathy for the editor who was offended. So, if you're reading this, Moni has a short memory and can't remember your username. Don't be put off by our demonstrative pushiness. Join us. We can always use involved editors.
What can you do to help the project out? Be a wiki-fairy, on many levels. There are all kinds of articles that need help. Why, just this morning I removed those ugly wikify and cleanup tags from four articles at random. If you can put [[ ]] around stuff, you can clean up articles. There's a list of articles that need attention at the top of the WP:LGBT talk page. Or you can start with the Lambda Literary Awards, where the goddess of my altar received a pioneering award, and was "reduced to rubble" by Katherine V. Forrest's wonderful speech. The 20th ceremony of the Lambda Literary Awards, which celebrates LGBT literature, took place in West Hollywood on May 29th [1]. The page needs to be updated with the new winners, to be found on the official website [2].
Why on earth would someone want to delete material about homosexuality? 'Tis truly a mystery. But these embattled articles have some random evil gnomes removing information that places these folks under our queer umbrella. Help us keep an eye out for the deletions. Take a peek at the articles, familiarize yourselves with the info, and be handy with the undo function in the article history. If tempers flare, take it to the Hall monitors and let them sort it out. Best solution is to make sure your sources are immaculate.
This month's Wiki stars
This is what I get for opening my big fat mouth and suggesting the newsletter should be revived. Here I am writing it. So, to pat self on back (*cough*) Mulholland Dr. became a featured article in May. This is A Good Thing since it is my personal declaration that there is no such thing as lesbian porn. I don't care what Benjiboi says about the video collection at goodvibes. Instead, we have hot women who connect on a deep, personal, soul-touching level, so this film should qualify as some of the skankiest porn available for lesbians. Plus, it's completely confusing and surreal! D'you think Laura Harring would care that the article is featured? I don't think so either... (Call me, Laura!)
Compulsive hoarding of templates
Once I saw a harrowing episode of Animal Planet's Animal Cops where this guy had, like, 250 cats in his house and it freaked me right out. I'm drawing a parallel between 250 cats and, well...three, really, templates in articles involving LGBT issues. Can we stick to one, maybe? In the aforementioned Harvey Milk's article there's a core LGBT template, a link to the LGBT portal, and a sidebar for LGBT rights. Jiminy! You'd think we weren't the folk to set industrial grey carpeting and track lighting in vogue. An LGBT footer was designed to link to articles of interest that aren't the aforementioned core articles. What do you think, can we have either an LGBT template for core articles, a footer for LGBT articles that are high profile but not core, or an LGBT rights template? As ever, anything's up for discussion on the WP:LGBT talk page.
It's June, Pride month. Wear sunscreen, stay hydrated, get a designated driver, then go half-dressed in the streets find a girlfriend or boyfriend, or some homo who's standing there looking lonely and kiss 'em up real good. Remember, it all started 39 years ago when a bunch of drag queens just got fed the f*ck up by the cops raiding the bar and dragging them all out to the pokey again. Rock on, queens! Enjoy your celebrations. My town's is in October, and 200 people attend. I miss Denver.
It looks like we've picked up a lot of talent lately. We have no doubt you'll be making your indelible mark on LGBT knowledge as we know it, here at Wikipedia.
In the immortal words of Miss Julie, "May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon."
We miss you, Miss Julie, as well as all the others who have graced our project and are on wiki-breaks or just got fed up with all the nuttiness and went to live their lives. Get your stupid houses built and hurry up and come back. --Moni3 (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Homosexuality. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution.
Awesome, let's waste energy on a big fake argument.
Josh is an experienced editor. He knows perfectly well what the issues are with his edit, and he also knows that when new content is disputed, normal practice is to work it out on the talk page rather than simply re-add it to the article.
Dybryd, on the Homosexuality article recently you changed reparative therapy to conversion therapy. I consider that a mistake, and I changed it back (you wrote in the edit summary, 'changing "reparative" -> "conversion" to match conversion therapy', but this is definitely not a good reason). I'm not quite sure about NARTH, but there's no evidence Exodus International advocates any kind of therapy except reparative therapy specifically. You might want to either seek a third opinion before reverting my changes, or else suggest some sort of compromise as an alternative, because I consider the wording you used to be quite misleading. Skoojal (talk) 09:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I don't really care, but in that section, "reparative therapy" seems to be being used as a general term meaning "therapy to alter homosexual orientation" -- with no mention of the theory of reparative drives -- even though the two examples given are organizations that practice reparative therapy specifically, I think they're just used because they're prominent. So it seems to me that using "reparative" here gives the impression that it's a generic term.
But, I haven't really been part of this ongoing dispute -- so go with whatever the consensus has been.
A note -- you say you're not sure about NARTH. I've just been to their website, and their president is Joseph Nicolosi, who does indeed describe homosexuality in the terms of reparative therapy, and that outlook is all over their website even in articles where the word "reparative" is not used. Dybryd (talk) 16:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am not saying that the wording I used was perfect. Exactly what wording should be used can be debated. Perhaps the simplest and least controversial option would be to say that these groups advocate therapy to change sexual orientation without using either conversion or reparative. Skoojal (talk) 23:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I see from your image uploads that you are apparently also a fan of Ms. Didion. I've read all of her works, and even have an autographed first edition of A Book of Common Prayer. Nice to see we have some common ground.
I know things can sometimes become heated on debates here. I just wanted to let you know that on my side, its not personal, though I may have come across as agressive, at times. I'm just suffering from general stress, though that shouldn't affect my civility. If I ever came across as bitey to you, my apologies. I hope that as our collaborative efforts on LGBT proceed, we'll come to know one another much better. You seem a solid, good-faith editor, which is a valuable asset here. By the way, my favorite Didion book is Play It As It Lays, though I am now putting myself through the painful; process of re-reading A Year Of Magical Thinking. Tough read, but well worth it, and strangely comforting to me at this stage of my life. Jeffpw (talk) 05:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Dybryd, you recently suggested shortening the conversion therapy article by moving parts of it to the ex-gay article. Like many people, I thought that this was a good idea, but it didn't happen, perhaps because the conversion therapy article was protected. It has been unprotected now, so I think this would be a good moment to carry out your suggestion (I recently undid an edit that did the exact opposite of what you suggested, shifting even more material into that already too long article). On a related note: please archive some of the past discussions on the talk page, because that's also much too long. I'd do it myself, but I'm not quite proficient enough. Skoojal (talk) 00:15, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid I don't know what the formal process for archiving talk is either.
I'm a pretty weak reed when it comes to following through on any actual work here on WP, but I'll have a look at the ex-gay stuff.
Well, I'll try and find someone who is able to do it. It would help if you would do the same; it's becoming steadily more difficult to comment there due to the length of the page, and the problems with that article are annyoing enough as it is without this additional problem. Skoojal (talk) 03:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
SCBC has been doing this again, adding massive amounts of information to an article that's already too long. Please talk to him and persuade him that this isn't a good idea. Skoojal (talk) 00:27, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Sexual orientation
I noticed you removed the autosexual and zoosexual but not the "Related articles: Paraphilia" section. I wanted to clarify whether that was your intent or not, because without zoosexuality I don't think it is clear how paraphilia relates to sexual orientation. Certainly, they both involve sexual attraction, but otherwise they seem completely disjoint. I am going to be bold and remove it, although I am little hestitant because of the recently contentious nature of the template. Queerudite (talk) 03:57, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I made only those changes that just about everybody had endorsed.
However, it's actually me who added paraphilia -- you'll see my rationale if you look over the talk page. Basically, a number of things that are asserted by their advocates to be sexual orientations are categorized by others as paraphilias -- so the two terms have sometimes been alternative ways of describing the same things.
But I'm not wedded to the addition at all -- especially not since after I added it, it was split off by itself into its own lonely category. The only thing I'm really set on for the template is that I think the neologisms should go.
What do you think about "pansexuality"? I've left it for now, although it's also a neologism, because it's one that seems to have somewhat broader use, and because like the other orientations it refers to the desired gender(s).
In general, I'm hesitant about something that suggests we need a special way of approaching articles on taboo subjects. The problem is not that different standards are needed, but simply that the ordinary standards too often fall by the wayside.
Of course, the POV creep in these articles is very clear, and I've appreciated your efforts to point that out in the recent pederasty discussion. But I'm not sure we need an essay that specially opposes POV creep just because it's happening on taboo sexual topics -- I think that sends the wrong message, because "taboo" is itself a POV word.
Just being as clear and factual and by-the-book as possible, and pointing out (again and again if necessary) subjective or biased language on the part of the advocates is, I think, the most effective way.
There is little in there that you wouldn't find in the policy. But you have to hunt around for the relevant policy, here it is in one place. Plus not many people are aware of the way that definitions get messed around with to achieve the creep. We do need something. Peter Damian (talk) 19:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for telling me about the situation there. I support what I take to be your position, which is that listing 'zoophilia' and so forth as orientations is silly. I suggest that you might ask James Cantor for his opinion, since he seems to be interested in this sort of stuff, and is an actual scientist. Skoojal (talk) 06:40, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
An unfortunate effect of a group less active than in the past is that our articles lose integrity. This one is at Good Article Review for that reason. The talk page is quite active as a result. You have the opportunity to help. This is the corest of our core articles, and it needs some attention because it gets a lot of controversial input from many sides. If you can spare any time to edit the article, please do what you can.
Soon after we were informed that Homosexuality is being scrutinized, we heard the same for one of our few Featured Articles. As a participant of the Featured Article process, I think this is actually a good thing. The standards for Featured Articles are getting higher with time. But as a member of this project, that means that a few of ours may be de-listed unless someone can swoop in and save them. This one has to do with the designation of homosexuality as a crime in Germany. Most of this article's sources are in German. If anyone has any particular skill in this area, please lend a hand!
I know you folks think I have much experience in a gay bathhouse, and I hate to disappoint you, but I actually do not. I seem like the sort of person who likes to stroll about in a towel. Shocking, no? It appears that Ashleyvh is single-handedly addressing all the problems with this article at its GA Review. While that's pretty impressive, it's also no doubt exhausting. Can anyone help out there?
In what I hope will counter the jolt of re-evaluating three Good or Featured Articles, José Sarria and Janet Jackson as gay icon passed as Good Articles, and Black Cat Bar (famous San Francisco oft-raided gay bar) is nominated, all by Otto4711. Rock on, man. You're a machine. Good luck with your nominations. What is it about women that make them gay icons? And are there lesbian icons that aren't lesbians? How about bisexual icons? Am I the only lesbian who reacts with soul-trembling fear at the sight of Angelina Jolie?
New WP:LGBT studies member Pinkkeith has done this cool thing. If you click on that link, you'll see all the articles, categories, templates, and miscellany up for deletion. They're usually there because they're not considered to be not notable. That can be a relative concept, and sometimes it has to be argued that topics pertaining to gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender issues are notable.
It seems a recurring issue which articles to tag, and what to say about a topic that's tagged. Certainly, because an article falls under our scope doesn't necessarily make the person gay. Florida Governor Charlie Crist has been rumored to be gay in some newspaper accounts. Although we all know Fred Phelps is supergay, he won't admit it so instead he does the absolutely awfulest anti-gay things on the planet to deflect suspicion. NAMBLA, the red headed stepchild of the LGBT world, is tagged with an explanation we have yet to decide if we'll keep.
In the lurking I do around and about on Wiki, I've long been astounded at the forbearance Benjiboi has for the utterly insane. Perhaps not so much, since the message on Benji's talk page notes frequent absences due to homophobia and transphobia. But it takes some kind of ... something that I don't have to face the constant anti-gay POV Benji does.
Benjiboi is a a bit of a WikiFaerie, a WikiGnome and also a member of the Article Rescue Squadron in addition to being a LGBT project member. A few of Benjiboi's favorite links for making the wikiverse more fab are:
Becksguy didn’t start actively editing until May 2007. His most frequent tasks on Wiki include reverting vandalism to LGBT articles and creating new project-related articles. He comes from New York state, and to prove not all of us are teenagers (ha! I am so totally 15!) he's in his 60s and retired.
Becksguy considers his biggest triumph on Wikipedia so far was a DYK in December 2007 for the first-ever newspaper report on what became AIDS, in the New York Native. He's also helped save several project-related articles from deletion. His lowest moment here was getting involved in the discussion on a particular terrorism related article, thinking he could help calm the roiled waters on an extremely contentious subject with multiple edit wars and passionate editors.
Here at WP:LGBT, he creates and improves articles that present notable LGBT related subjects in a fair and balanced way, and tries to include more of the significant alternative sexuality related subjects without being an activist, and works to better source project-related articles.
On Wikipedia as a whole, he says, "I think we need to learn better what processes work for a massive collaborative project. Some of what worked well for a more informal small project doesn’t scale up well. Process is not as important when the participants know each other. We need to get more of the current members to be more active. If more members were energized, the project would be able to accomplish more. We should be, in effect, the smaller and included Wikipedia for LGBT related subjects. Overall, I wish we could focus more on content creation and improvement, and less on vandal fighting."
"A Supreme Court decision in 1958 reversed a 1956 ruling by a federal district court that U.S. postal authorities were correct in prohibiting the mailing of the Mattachine Society's ONE magazine. The lower court had ruled that ONE was not protected by the First Amendment because the magazine's contents 'may be vulgar, offensive, and indecent even though not regarded as such by a particular group ... because their own social or moral standards are far below those of the general community ... Social standards are fixed by and for the great majority and not by and for a hardened or weakened minority.'" - Michael Bronski in Pulp Friction, 2003
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Hi, you've contributed to past discussions on the Template talk:Sexual orientation page and we are now in the process of noting which of several proposals might help resolve some current content disputes. Your opinion to offer Support, Oppose, and Comment could help us see if there is consensus to approve any of these proposals. It's been suggested to only offer a Support on the one proposal you most favor but it's obviously to each editor's discretion to decide what works for them. Banjeboi23:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Wake up WP:LGBT! It's time to kick in gear and get some things done!
Project News
Wake up!
I say this to myself as much as I say it to all of us. I work a lot by myself or with individual editors who spend time at Featured Article Candidates. It seems on November 5 a fog was lifted off my brain that helped me realize that we have massive potential in this project to get things done. Take this allegory, for instance: On Wednesday, Nov. 5, 1980, my 10th-grade American history teacher started class by unfurling The New York Times. She pointed to its triple banner headline: “Reagan Easily Beats Carter; Republicans Gain in Congress; D’Amato and Dodd are Victors.” “Save this paper,” she told us. “This is the start of a whole new era.”Judith Warner from The New York Times
It definitely seems a start to a whole new era now. If planets align correctly to remind us that whatever advances we may have made in electing what appears to be an extraordinary president in the US, the moons that revolve around those planets also serve to illustrate it's not that simple. Florida, Arizona, and California all appear to have banned same sex marriage. As someone who was married in California and lives in Florida, this is particularly poignant. We seem to be at the juncture of two converging paths. If we maximize our efforts and take the right ones, we might just be able to affect some change for ourselves.
Though what we do is an interesting hobby for some, we have the power to make a difference. California's ballot initiative to ban gay marriage was a fierce fight. It's being challenged right now, but just look at how Wikipedia played a role in that: in October 2008, 360,238 people read its article. On November 5, an astounding 467,000 people read it. I commend the editors who work on that article—both those who support and oppose it. A look at the talk page shows a concerted effort to keep it civil and accurate.
What can we do?
How do you fight ignorance? With information. That's what Wikipedia is for. This project is overwhelming with 8,576 articles in its scope. We can continue to work piecemeal as we have in the past, or we can focus on goals. These are examples of areas we can concentrate on.
Current political events
LGBT Media and Literature
LGBT History
Sex and sexuality
Articles about political issues in the US and around the world that have been especially relevant within the past 5 years
Depictions of LGBT people and issues on television, film, newspapers, magazines
Topics about gay rights activism and the opposition to it
There are more than 8,000 articles to work on. Can we build a list of priorities? Can we build enough enthusiasm to work on these? What if we had editors who oversaw progress in these areas and reported to the talk page or in the newsletter? Surely someone here wants to report on the progress of sex articles.
Tony Perkins (irony) from the conservative Family Research Councilwas heartened by the recent passages of gay marriage bans. The Republican Party is without direction. What's going to take the place of a moderate voice will not be pleasant to our ears. Watching and improving articles of subjects that have opposed gay rights in the past will be of vital importance very soon, I predict.
But WP:LGBT is not a very active project
All we can do is start somewhere. The first step is answering this newsletter on the project talk page. Join in the discussion.
More things we can do
Give out more barnstars, and let each other know that what they're doing is valued.
Create a guide to stave off burnout, because editors in this project get burned out faster than others. There are many hills to climb.
Bring back the monthly collaboration project.
Participate in LGBT Peer reviews.
Get familiar with the characteristics of Good Articles and get our top priority articles to WP:GA.
Use the Newsletter, Moni3! You can suggest what to send out in the newsletter, too!
Offer research materials, copy editing, ideas, and support to your fellow editors.
Keep the project talk page informed of problems and discussions we should know about.
Proposal: Put Importance Levels on articles
If this was decided long before I was a member, maybe it's time to revisit it. Other WikiProjects, such as WP:Novels determine that some subjects have an importance category: Top, High, Mid, Low, or None (undetermined). If we decide that our most core articles, it might help to organize which articles to address first. Top importance, for example, would be Gay, Homosexual, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, Sappho, Oscar Wilde, Stonewall riots, for example. High importance would be Homosexuality and psychology, Harvey Milk, Mattachine Society, Harry Hay, or Daughters of Bilitis, and so on. This can be a matter of discussion, or perhaps we could have someone in charge of determining these levels for all the articles we have tagged.
These are the editors I've seen working (and I know I'm forgetting a few). There's more of you out there I haven't seen. Some of you are new. We need all of you. Please help.
Miami, January 18, 1977 after the gay rights ordinance was passed: While Bryant and the others were creating the beginnings of the repeal effort, (gay activists) Basker, Campbell, Kunst, and the other (gay rights) ordinance supporters congratulated themselves on their success and then quickly disbanded... There was no organized recognition or celebration of the victory. As one activist remembered, "We just went home." They had little idea of the battle that was before them. - Fred Fejes in Gay Rights and Moral Panic, 2008
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How do you change the world? You can start by writing an incredible article for the world's encyclopedia. Moni3 kicks it old school again with Stonewall riots - a series of spontaneous, violent demonstrations against a police raid that took place in the early morning hours of June 28, 1969 at the Stonewall Inn. [...] [T]hey have become the defining event that marked the start of the gay rights movement in the United States and around the world. It's a featured article hitting the mainpage this Sunday to mark the 40th anniversary of the events. So first off, wow! Clever and cool. Moni3 has been recently named hottest delegate to Obama's bookclub but that may not be official yet. (Shhh!)
Otto4711 mentioned that gee we really should swamp the DYK section with LGBT-related articles for use on the 28th as well. We have eight or so in the holding area and if you push yourself to get an article together you might be able to get in on the fun. Do this now!
The official rules for DYKs can be found here. Once you have expanded an article 5-fold or created an article with at least 1,500 characters of prose, place your DYK thread here. Use this handy tool to count your 1,500 characters. As a suggestion, when you add your potential hook, include the character count and a link to the source(s) that confirm the hook. These will be confirmed anyway but may help.
The layout for the individual quotes is here (just copy/paste into one of the red links on Portal:Transgender/Random quote). Then this counter has to be upped to match the new # of total quotes (not counting quote zero).
Obama proclamation
On June 1, President Barack Obama declared June 2009 Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month, citing the riots as a reason to "commit to achieving equal justice under law for LGBT Americans". Excerpts at the bottom.
F*ck me I'm famous
I was interviewed by Wikipedia Signpost, the weekly in-house newsletter, for the WikiProject report. The Signpost has nearly 1,000 Wikipedian subscribers and arguably many of those folks actually read it. It came about rather quickly and my worst fears - that it was an elaborate hoax by a troll - were apparently unfounded. I hope y'all feel I did fine by the project, I did my best to avoid the phrase "man-humping, cock-sucking, doggy-style loving queer" but otherwise did ok.
Free image appeal
A friendly reminder to consider taking photos while you're out and about at various Dyke marches and Pride parades. Consider donating them to the world at Wikicommons. I'm sooo totally over having to deal with lovely images being deleted and argued about. If they are just free they are then also freely usable worldwide. And no, they don't need photos of your cha-cha or hoo-hoo-dilly.
Sonny and Cher's daughter was a famous lesbian and now he's a famous transman, possibly the most famous in the world. This also serves as a friendly reminder that we recently updated Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Guidelines - it's not perfect but should help inform on those gnip-gnop battles that do seem to drag on, and not in the good way.
As part of the redecorating at our talkpage, the article alerts and keyword search alerts are handily located at the top of the page. Always fascinating to see what's up. All help appreciated on those.
Glambert
Adam Lambert is soooo gay - surprised? Neither is anyone else. Nuff said. David Ogden Stiers was outed but apparently he wasn't terribly in either.
The LGBT studies project does have its own free Internet Relay Chat channel, #wikipedia-en-lgbtconnect, for coordination, collaboration and socializing. This channel is hosted on Freenode and can be accessed in one of two ways: If you already have an IRC client, click the link to the left. If you do not have an IRC client, you'll need to get one installed on your computer first. Once you've done this, then click on the link to the left.
For more general information on IRC and a listing of other useful Wikipedia-related channels, see Wikipedia:IRC channels.
The project had at one point another channel at #LGBTprojectconnect but as the original people associated with the setting up and administration of that channel have seemed to have disappeared, this new channel has been set up. Plus the new channel is inline with required naming conventions for Wikipedia related IRC channels. So, feel free to use this channel. Such a channel gives opportunity to discuss the latest happening on articles, the LGBT project itself, latest happening in your life with "wiki-friends" here, etc.. You can say things on there you normally wouldn't here on Wikipedia (keeping it civil of course) like talk about the latest hot guy/girl or tell a joke.. you get the point. Anyway, see you there - eventually!
LGBT to-do list (held over from last edition)
Give out more barnstars, and let each other know that what they're doing is valued.
Create a guide to stave off burnout, because editors in this project get burned out faster than others. There are many hills to climb.
Bring back the monthly collaboration project.
Participate in LGBT Peer reviews.
Get familiar with the characteristics of Good Articles and get our top priority articles to WP:GA.
Use the Newsletter, Moni3! You can suggest what to send out in the newsletter, too!
Offer research materials, copy editing, ideas, and support to your fellow editors.
Keep the project talk page informed of problems and discussions we should know about.
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There are many well-respected LGBT leaders in all professional fields, including the arts and business communities. [I]n both the White House and the Federal agencies -- openly LGBT employees are doing their jobs with distinction and professionalism. [...] LGBT youth should feel safe to learn without the fear of harassment, and LGBT families and seniors should be allowed to live their lives with dignity and respect. At the international level, I have joined efforts at the United Nations to decriminalize homosexuality around the world. Here at home, I continue to support measures to bring the full spectrum of equal rights to LGBT Americans. These measures include enhancing hate crimes laws, supporting civil unions and Federal rights for LGBT couples, outlawing discrimination in the workplace, ensuring adoption rights, and ending the existing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy in a way that strengthens our Armed Forces and our national security. [...] As long as the promise of equality for all remains unfulfilled, all Americans are affected. If we can work together to advance the principles upon which our Nation was founded, every American will benefit. During LGBT Pride Month, I call upon the LGBT community, the Congress, and the American people to work together to promote equal rights for all, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity. [...] I call upon the people of the United States to turn back discrimination and prejudice everywhere it exists. - Barack Obama, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month, 2009, The White House (June 1, 2009).
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