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Edit: Actually, just any edit that user has ever made, really. They all contain stuff like that. Might also want to do this one too since the warning was left before I saw the stuff on the page that should be dealt with. Gottagotospace (talk) 16:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Done Thanks for catching and reverting these Gottagotospace. In the future, though, I suggest that you request oversight for edits containing sensitive personal information. I have already done so this time. Cheers, Complex/Rational16:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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Would you please have a look at Draft:HELION Hydrogen Power? See if you believe it meets the criteria for AfC acceptance. I found the article on the AfC 3 month backlog. I am new to the AfC process, so wasn't sure what the next step should be. Made a few improvements. I'm sure that it could be further refined. Thanks for your time! DutchTreat (talk) 10:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
@DutchTreat: I'm not too active at AfC and usually older drafts tend to be more difficult and so are left for more experienced reviewers. If you're interested in doing AfC reviews regularly, I'd recommend focusing on the front of the queue (which are more likely to be straightforward accepts or declines) or subject matters with more unequivocal notability criteria such as academics and politicians.
Anyway, taking a look at this draft, I'm not sure that it satisfies the notability guideline for organizations. Most of the cited sources do not describe the company in detail – of those, the most substantial coverage is in [1], though I can't tell whether this is a sponsored publication, in which case it would not qualify as an independent source. A Google search isn't turning up anything better, though take this with a grain of salt as my knowledge of French isn't sufficient to conduct a thorough search for French-language sources. Complex/Rational13:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for some tips on improving my skills at finding appropriate AfC targets. I have no experience with AfC, but recall that you mentioned recently getting involved. My first thought was the oldest items were are most risk of getting dropped, so I started there. Didn't realize this aspect that these items long on the queue might be the most tricky.
Your point about notability on HELION is valid. I'll wait for other editors to weight in. Appreciate your guidance. DutchTreat (talk) 10:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
I think I mentioned being involved with NPP (for the May backlog drive) rather than AfC that day, but no worries – happy to help in any case. Let me know if you have any other questions.
Hello, you deleted Qupital on 1 June following its second AFD. How close is the current version to the one you deleted?
There's no recent version in the Wayback Machine, so I'm wondering if it's eligible for G4, especially as article creator oddly created it under the name Qupital Capital, of which I can find no trace online. Thanks, Wikishovel (talk) 11:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
@Wikishovel: The new version was moved a few times and eventually deleted per the author's request, but it was nearly identical to the old one except for a two-sentence addition about the company's doings in 2024 and a couple of additional citations.
It's clear that the new version was based directly on the old version; I'd say G4 would have applied, but borderline. It would have been necessary to check the additional sources and ensure that the original reason for deletion still applies (i.e., that no newly added sources reasonably challenge it), and make note of it when tagging. Such cases are usually deletable when almost all the content is identical and there was a strong, recent consensus at AfD, though if the page were rewritten entirely and expanded, I would advise sending to AfD again. Complex/Rational13:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Qasim Ali Shah page was deleted after discussion due to lack of authentic references. Qasim Ali Shah is a renowned public speaker in my country Pakistan. I am willing to provide authentic references and can also edit the article as per the rules of Wikipedia. So I am requesting you for undeletion of the page. His authenticity is proven that you can check he has millions of followers on all the platforms, youtube, facebook, instagram etc. Abidayub786 (talk) 04:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
@Abidayub786: The principal issues raised at the AfD discussion were a lack of independent sources providing significant coverage of the subject – in other words, sources that are unambiguously not connected to, or commissioned by, the subject, and that talk about the subject in depth rather than in passing. These include newspapers that have a demonstrated record of fact-checking and independent journalism, for example. Having millions of followers on social media is irrelevant if that has not been discussed in the types of sources needed to sustain an article.
On these grounds, I will not undelete the page. If you believe authentic references exist, you are free to create a fresh draft and submit it for review via the articles for creation process. However, I doubt that much has changed regarding the subject's notability in three months, seeing as he had an article also deleted in 2018 and 2021. Complex/Rational13:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with the subject matter or Pakistani media so I can't provide specific guidance. In general, acceptable sources will be published by reputable authors not connected to the subject. Types of sources to avoid include tabloids (usually not reliable), state-sponsored media when press freedom is limited (censorship comes at the expense of accuracy), works published by the subject (not independent), and anything determined to be unreliable or deprecated in this list documenting frequently-discussed sources. Also keep in mind that multiple acceptable sources are needed to demonstrate notability and have a draft accepted. Complex/Rational14:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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These four edits progressively added libelous BLP vandalism to Liam Conlon, with the end result being 700+ bytes of disgustingness. Due to the nature of the BLP vandalism, I would strongly advise you use RevisionDelete to send those revisions to the shadow realm/distortion world/Hell/whereever deleted revisions go. Wait, am I doing this right? This is my first time requesting RevDel. 24.115.255.37 (talk) 18:26, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Done, thanks for bringing this to my attention. And yes, your request was fine. There isn't a general "requests for revdel" page because we don't want to draw extra attention to problematic revisions, so asking any active admin in Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to handle RevisionDelete requests will do. However, if the material in question is especially problematic, it may sometimes be better to make a request offsite (usually by email or another communication platform), and personally identifying information should be reported directly to the Oversight team via email.
Done. In cases like this, please (also) email the oversight team. You can send an email to oversight-en-wp <at> wikipedia.org; in my experience turnaround time is pretty quick, usually less than an hour. Complex/Rational21:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Only delete the edit summary. The previous edit's username was revdeled, but it was not removed from the edit summary of this edit. 24.115.255.37 (talk) 20:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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Hello and well met. I am a regular contributor to the WikiProject Professional wrestling with over 500 pro-wrestling related created articles (well, kinda with one correspondent to the Japanese language or less). In the past months I saw various users displaying userboxes which depict that some of their articles have been part of the "Did You Know" main page section. Herefore I'd like to know if one of the articles created by someone could ever be featured into this kind of section without the respective user getting a proper notification. Of course, I'm not really hoping for one of my created articles to be a subject of such importance but I heard you're experienced with this thing so I'd love to learn more from you about the procedures of this section and how an article can become a DYK candidate. Looking forward to hearing from you. Best regards! JeyReydar97 (talk) 22:32, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
@JeyReydar97: Any article that has been created anew, undergone a fivefold expansion in prose, or attained good article status is potentially eligible to appear in DYK, subject to additional guidelines. I would not recommend trying to nominate an article mainly written by another user without their involvement, primarily because they are most likely to be familiar with the article's sources, structure, and subject matter (even if it is one in which you're also interested). However, I'm sure some editors would be open to a collaborative article improvement project and resulting DYK nomination, so feel free to reach out to them if that's something of interest to you. Complex/Rational08:40, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Discussion from JINR of SHE-factory results and what may be next
It seems the LBNL campaign might've been planned earlier than I thought. These slides match fairly well with what has actually been done, except that the last step of 249Cf+50Ti is still for the future. (Ah, how long I have waited! And how much longer shall I wait again, when elements past 120 prove harder still!) Double sharp (talk) 05:40, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Now that I think about it, probably 119 will be really hard. With such cross-sections, I doubt a 249Bk target will survive long enough. So you'd have to use 248Cm+51V with the penalty from having the odd proton in the projectile rather than in the target. :( Double sharp (talk) 05:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Also no recent updates that I know about regarding larger-scale production of 254Es. There was a claim that up to 0.2 mg could be produced, but I removed it as uncited [2]; not sure if you have ever seen this or something similar. The wait must go on, it seems. Complex/Rational09:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
I've not seen anything about that either. Still, the half-lives of 253,254Es are shorter than for 249Bk, so it's probably not going to help that much with cross-sections. Unless maybe 119 takes so long that 254Es+48Ca can be considered. :) Double sharp (talk) 10:11, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Hi CR, Racialization has been for many months the target of an IP editor very committed to making sure any cleanup gets immediately reverted. Is it possible to get some kind of protection on it? ꧁Zanahary꧂05:37, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
@Zanahary: I'll take a closer look when I have a bit more time, which will probably be later today, though feel free to also ask at WP:RFPP if you think a quicker response is needed. I also see that the article talk page hasn't been edited in six months; have you (or anyone) been able to engage the IP in discussion? Complex/Rational12:53, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
According to the graph in doi:10.1103/PhysRevC.105.034315, S2n of 176Sn is around 0 MeV, so it's hard to say that is 176Sn bound or not. I only have access to the abstract, so I don't know more details. On the other hand, doi:10.1016/j.physletb.2024.138571 predicts that 176Sn is unbound, but they also pointed out that the S2n they calculated were too low for N > 82 isotopes, so 176Sn still has a chance to become bound.
It is already discovered long time ago? I only search references after 2020 because 21C is absent in NUBASE2020. The nuclides listed in Table 3 are quite complicated, some (e.g. 261,262Lr) are listed in NUBASE2020, while others (e.g. 24,25N) don't.
@Nucleus hydro elemon: At least for nuclides discovered more recently than NUBASE2020 was published, I just include another citation. I'd be inclined to do the same for "forgotten" nuclides, but I'd imagine a good number of those are only reported in conference proceedings that haven't been published in the literature, unconfirmed reports, or retracted reports, so checks for all of those should be done. Complex/Rational20:59, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
BTW, I found an interesting paper on the arXiv noting that unlike the previous proton shell closures, Z = 82 isn't strong enough to keep the neighbouring isotopes spherical, except at the doubly magic 208Pb. It reminds me of how we heard that proton shell closures are likely to be quite weak in the superheavy region and that stability will mostly depend on reaching N = 184. Double sharp (talk) 17:53, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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These revisions by an IP look like a possible copyright violation to me: the text is basically lifted ad literam from the source. I'm not sure what to do in such a situation — perhaps just delete the text, although it is well sourced, and somewhat relevant (though arguably puts too much weight on the incident)? Or is a more drastic action required by an admin like you, e.g., striking out completely the copy-and-paste edit? Thanks, Turgidson (talk) 19:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
@ComplexRational: Thanks for the explanations, that helps figure out what to do if and when a similar situation occurs. BTW, I had looked at WP:CRD, but the explanations there didn't quite make clear to me how to proceed, at least not at first glance. Also, I looked there for a list of admins that I could contact about this, but I missed the list you mention (I see it now!), so I just looked at a list of currently active admins, and your username jumped at me because of its mathematical connotations :-) Luckily, I see now that you belong to the intersection of the two sets. All the best, Turgidson (talk) 02:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
@Turgidson: Better than being irrational I suppose :D
I should also mention that you should place {{cv-revdel}} on an article after you remove the infringing text (specifying the revision IDs), so that any patrolling admin can see it and take action quickly. Before I was an admin, I used this script to help with the process. Revdel requests are also fine, but more intended for other types of problematic content that should not be discussed on highly visible pages. Complex/Rational14:19, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
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My Malcolm Guite entry that you wanted reference for his pipe smoking
You deleted the paragraph I put in and I didn't save a copy. The reference you require is
a YouTube video of his where he reads his pipe smoking section of one of his published books and of course you can see all of his pipes on display as well in the video.
@Murraynews: I reverted your addition because it appeared to be controversial material about a living person and it was certainly given undue weight in the article's lead section. A detail like that should probably be in the section "Poetry and persona", and must include an inline citation to a reliable source. Additionally, a statement such as Many poets and writers that he identifies... must include an independent source (i.e., not affiliated with or commissioned by the subject) stating that this is, in fact, a commonly-held opinion.
And as a general note, old revisions of a page can be accessed by clicking "View history" at the top of the page, so there's no need to worry about your work being lost. Complex/Rational20:59, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
A3 speedy
A3 speedy is for "a rephrasing of the title" as well, not just for no content. If the title is "St. Mary's Cemetery (Washington, D.C.)" and the full text is "St. Mary's Cemetery is a cemetery in Washington, D.C., United States." then it is a 100% A3 candidate, and I don't get why you removed this. Fram (talk) 14:33, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
I posted to your talk page, but I'll respond here to keep the thread intact. I agree that this is not substantial content by any means, but I would say there's enough context and infobox data to be considered a stub, and a non-empty infobox (even without additional contextualization) rules out deletion under A3. The criterion states However, a very short article may be a valid stub if it has context, in which case it is not eligible for deletion under this criterion. Similarly, this criterion does not cover a page having only an infobox, unless its contents also meet another speedy deletion criterion. As I wrote on your page, though, I am not prejudiced against PROD/AfD if notability is in doubt. Complex/Rational14:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
