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Hi Clem. I have a bit of an issue with a new user and would appreciate some advice. He's a 16 yo lad from Tyneside and has been editing North Tyneside Steam Railway. He's been constructive - one of the good guys that we need to encourage. The problem is that he has copied the line history from an online publication almost word for word. It is a large edit, unless he had access to the source it would have been a lot of typing, see User talk:Stevie742. I'm not quite sure where to go on this. The head says to put in a request for admin assistance, but the heart warns that some admins tend to stomp over youngsters with a pair of hobnailed boots. Do you know of any sympathetic types that will handle him gently? Kind regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 16:53, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think we can fix this ourselves- as I understand it, all we need to do is to protect the text by sending an email to OTRS- at [email protected]. It is described in Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries. I have never done it but I think that we do need to master the system as I can think of lots of other occasions when it would be helpful. The page is dismal so I am trying to sort out a simple explanation leaflet that is less frightening. I have mentioned these things at the Manchester Wikimeetups where everyone is sympathetic.

When I am trying to involve an organisation I usually talk to User:HJ Mitchell and I see from his user page he is an admin- and he does OTRS work, so he is probably the best bet if we cant fix it. Harry is waiting for a minor OP so maybe a little less available this month. For technical matters and mills I talk to Andy Mabbett.

Let me see what I can dream up this weekend- and we can get Stevie to trial the system. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 19:29, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I see what you mean about the page, considering we are trying to get people to help us it is a bit forbidding. Perhaps if it was acceptable to just send the box, as far as possible filled in, to Stevie or Ian we would be more likely to receive help. Anyhow, I await your "dreaming up". Thanks, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:04, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have being playing Dungeons and Dragons with all the OTRS pages! I have put together this page User:ClemRutter/Toolbox/OTRS with a more user friendly form and explanation, and sent the link to Harry for comments. If he clears it- then this should give you all the info you need to send to Stevie- I'll keep you posted when I get a reply. Feel free to add comments. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 12:23, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you have uploaded a large amount of Jewish history to the Manchester Jewish Museum. While interesting it is completely off topic so could I suggest it is removed and uploaded to a new and much more appropriate article History of Jewish settlement in Manchester which could be linked to the original article and probably to the History of Manchester article. J3Mrs (talk) 14:29, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fine go for it, or leave it a couple of weeks for me. I am just clearing down my backlog and coding up a python tool to handle lists of mills. This one had been in my sandbox for ages- as I said 'time to share'. In my memory I had been thinking that it should have been History of Jewish settlement in Manchester. I have been giving Naturism a serious haircut but haven't forgotten Cotton mill, I now have Giles and Goodall, Yorkshire Textile Mills 1770-1930 (0-11-300038-3) that will gives a slightly different perspective, excellent references. I have yet even to start reading it though. You will see above the OTRS discussion too... -- Clem Rutter (talk) 14:58, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'd rather you did it as it is your work and it only needs a reference section and reflist. J3Mrs (talk) 15:08, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As you made the redirect, I did it. It's all yours except for an opening sentence. I hope that's ok. J3Mrs (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent. We will see if have an influx of new contributors!-- Clem Rutter (talk) 18:38, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Somehow I doubt it but it would be good if there were. J3Mrs (talk) 18:41, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks, Clem, for your help at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Schools#Lincoln_Group_of_Schools. Not sure if I was supposed to respond here, or on the original page. I did not create this page. I'm just responsible for fixing errors, etc. I do not wish to edit the page directly. I was hoping that I could talk through the errors with you (or another editor), and you would update the page in the way that is best, since you are a regular Wikipedia user. Thanks, Eric 74.102.85.132 (talk) 19:08, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't work that way-I have a backlog of articles I want to create- and no-one I know is short of things they want to do. Working with volunteers is like herding cats. I advise others when I come across a cry for help- but 'I have no responsibility to others'. It always seems a shame that there is such a vast untapped pool of talent in the student body that we have failed to engage. I would suggest you report back to your linemamager saying: You have researched issue, and discovered that the task is achievable but it will involve investing resources- particularly time. Wikipedia editing is a bit like writing a MBA thesis, you need to understand the topic, write a draft and fully reference it. Wikipedia markup is easy secretarial task, but in providing the links it becomes necessary to write and research subsidiary stub articles which is time consuming. Done well, and written impartially it becomes a significant asset- and as such it is worth doing. Help is available to advise, on protocols and procedure but not to write copy.

At this point I need you to be logged on so I can direct this reply, and so you can see I have responded. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 11:32, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. I am tracking your responses. I do not have an account and wasn't planning on creating one. Should I create a new account? Also, I don't mind fixing the errors. However, I was advised not to edit the page as I am an employee of Lincoln Tech and therefore have a COI. Thanks, Eric 74.102.85.132 (talk) 15:55, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Open an account- then we will open a subpage for you, you should copy the page from Lincoln Tech onto your subpage- and edit it there. We (Demiurge1000ElKevbo) will advise you on what is OK- and when everyone is happy a third party editor will transfer it over to main page. Wikipedia is very sensitive about conflict of interest- you have been right to bring this to everyones attention- caution is necessary. (edit conflict) I see you have an account- we can continue this discussion there. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 17:34, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi mate. Any particular reason you added a "keep" vote to the nominator's rationale? I'm assuming it was a mistake rather than an effort to have the nominator "vote" against his own nomination, right? I've removed it for now but I'm happy to discuss it. Stalwart111 00:30, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yep not awake! -- Clem Rutter (talk) 00:55, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

All good! It seemed strange so I figured you wouldn't mind me changing it back. Have a strong cup of coffee and keep up the good work! Cheers, Stalwart111 05:25, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Shouldn't the section on Mary Doyle be in the Thornton in Lonsdale article, rather than Ingleton's? I would have thought that Ingleton had more than enough to write about without poaching material that belongs to neighbouring parishes. Langcliffe (talk) 19:35, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, nice to chat, Wikipedia:WikiProject Yorkshire is running this collaborate to improve two articles scheme. I am just passing through- and thought it would be good to be involved in such a scheme- and there was on out side chance I could visit one the Leeds meet up. Since then you seem to be the only other person involved. There does seem to be a lot of published material to use as sources. So why pick on Reverend Sherlock- a vicar with High Bentham connections, Cornelius Sherlock who fixed the church- and probably a cousin and then the unfortunate Randall- all have strong Ingleton connections-- and the fluff about ACD is likely to bring in more links and interest to the article. But I haven't yet any other famous or notable folk that are easily accessible and well referenced. MOS style suggests there should be such a section.

We have two structural problems here- the article is about the settlement and the parish of Ingleton, so writing about the parish takes us to Ribblehead and beyond. I had to use Mapit to convince myself of the limits. Writing about the settlement, in this case includes land that is officially in Thornton- for instance: the Ingleton Waterfalls Trail, most of the Ingleton viaduct and half of the Ingleton Stations. Most hamlets surrounding the village will see Ingleton as part of their identity in a way that Ribblehead will not, as I understand it in 1885 they would use the Ingleton Stations if they wished to travel.

There seem to be very few folk working on Craven articles, and Thornton in Lonsdale is in a dire straight. ACD is mentioned in the lead but not the article- but with such lack of information that is not surprising.

I am a prolific content writer who never gets articles past a B- ( I call it lack of ability,) I am always happy to be corrected (saved). You have the advantage as being local to the area so will know far more than me and be able to find the books. Please do join in. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 20:43, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Further to your last edit, there are four SSSIs in the Parish of Ingleton: Ingleborough, Whernside, Thornton and Twistleton Glens, and Salt Lake Quarry. See here for the boundaries. Langcliffe (talk) 13:12, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent rewrite on geology. I will give geography a bit of a break now- I just would like to leave a reference to Clapham Common so we can put a hat-note on a certain London Article. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 18:43, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dear ClemRutter,

Sorry for the many edits and re-edits to the Reclining-Declining Sundials paragraph.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundial#Reclining-declining_dials

But I think that I've now got the right formulas now for the gnomon angles at last. Where do I get them ? I derived them - not by any fancy means like rotation matrices or quaternions; but rather through good old-fashioned 3-D Euclidean geometry. By this I mean that I constructed physical models of the reclining-declining dial geometry using cardboard sheets for planes and strips of wire for optical paths and pertinent geometry lines/angles. I chose to do it this way as :

1) The results are far more concrete and convincing when this method is employed. This is particularly true in the reclining-declining dial case as there are many different formulas published for its hour angle and its gnomon angles.

2) The people who build these dials will generally come from a trades background. This means that they would generally have begun apprenticeships at 16 - 17 and their math level will be up to UK GCSE/O-level or French Brevet standard -- i.e. Euclidean geometry, basic trigonometry and basic algebra. My method is followable by people at this standard.

In due course I plan to submit a paper on this method - as well as the relevant diagrams (using Google SketchUp) for the vital geometrical relationships - to the North American Sundial Society.

The ${\displaystyle s_{o}}$ orientation switch integer for generalizing the hour angle formula over all dial declinations is the only 'novelty' added to the existing nomenclature. I find it handy when programming.

If you have any points to make on the actual formulas presented in Wiki by me or want to offer alternatives for discussion, please feel free.

Tamjk (talk) 10:52, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am enjoying the links personally but having difficulty in seeing how all this can be justified under WP:NOR. I would be inclined to keep the published sources (right or wrong) and include the improvements (unpublished corrections wrapped in a {{efn}} template that links to the {{notelist}} footnote. Rest assured I accept your maths as being superior.

What I was about to do was to change all the notation which I got from Waugh, Mayall & Mayall to the agreed symbols used by and recommended by the BSS- but that is also on hold while I sort out a useable python library.

It is interesting that fr:Cadran incliné-déclinant doesnt exist but all other types fr:Cadran déclinant have separate page- I haven't analysed which notation convention they are using- but I suspect that even there they are excluded most readers by using Greek letters which are not taught at brévet/ GCSE level.

Many thoughts - much to do -- Clem Rutter (talk) 11:34, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there's no original research here. Simply the same results via a more traditional and more workmanlike method. The hour angle formula is the same (bar using reclination angle instead of inclination) as those presented by Snyder and others :

http://dls-website.com/documents/SundialDesignConsiderations.pdf

The gnomon angle formulas are the same as those presented in the BSS Formulae webpage, at least the dial-plate angle (the "style height" in BSS parlance) once you allow for their defining inclination w.r.t. the rear horizontal rather than the front (i.e. sun side) horizontal.

http://www.sundialsoc.org.uk/Glossary/equations/equations-new.php

Unfortunately they have the substyle-noon angle wrong - but so did all of us originally.

Tamjk (talk) 16:10, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. I've now completed changing the Greek nomenclature to Roman. Tamjk (talk) 14:05, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mr Rutter. It seems that I owe you an apology for having given you so much grief by way of other posters rejecting my hour-angle formulae ! But I shall make no apology at all for the hour-angle formulae themselves. I am confident that they are correct since I derived them two ways - and moreover since they square with those of Snyder [ref. above], allowing for his nomenclature definition. The gnomon-plate and the substyle-noon angles are also consistent with those quoted in some other sources. LIkewise with the critical angle expression for the reclined-declined dial. I'd intended putting out a paper detailing my derivations but other obligations intervened. Hopefully this summer.

May God give you strength in your thankless task here.

Tamjk (talk) 18:27, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We're running another editathon, at Queen Street Mill in Burnley, England, on 10 May. Hope you can make it! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:45, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A reminder; this event is on Saturday. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:02, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, I have been thinking you'd removed the pic by accident. There are indeed no English references when it comes to this building. It is all in German if I remember right. I thought the pic spoke for itself and it presented an interesting architecture which would complete the overview on differently built watermills quite nicely. Obviously you are more committed to this topic and therefore understandably more demanding. I respect that. Thanks having straigthened this out for me. NordhornerII (talk)I am not a number! I am a Nordhorner. 19:12, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Andy Mabbett referred me to you. In working on Judah Benjamin, I've set forth a section on the basis of Southern foreign policy, i.e. King Cotton, although Benjamin was never the most enthusiastic supporter of same. I need material to write a couple of well-chosen paragraphs on how it was that Britain's policy to avoid recognition and so forth had public support, even at the price (let's face it) of people's lives in the Cotton famine. I'd be grateful for your help on a few sources. I can email you if it would be helpful to send attachments.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:03, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to help if I can- I will find what I have . Some of the refs were included in Lancashire Cotton Famine and other basic ones are on User:ClemRutter/Citations. There is a well known schoolbook myth= that the cotton workers on SE Lancashire happily endured starvation to support their black brothers- but checking the sources reveal a) a more complex story b) few if any modern reliable references but even this I need to check.

Send me an email and I see I can be more precise. No promises.-- Clem Rutter (talk) 22:11, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You might enjoy browsing through these. I have added some as external links. J3Mrs (talk) 08:05, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what to say! 130 images and each one contains enough information for several evenings of editing. Some will become a new article - and maybe two or more. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 18:53, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you identify a suitable photograph (or photographs) for Steaming process in Lancashire cotton mills, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:04, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Short answer no. My sources don't mention steaming as such just 'regulating humidity'. (Naismith 1895 Recent Cotton Mill construction, pp 84-104) discusses Heating, Ventilation and Humidity. Discussion always refers to injecting water vapour into the room- not releasing steam directly. They have a device called the Drosophore to do the work- or more to the point 'a device made by Mr Pye of Blackburn' that may be the culprit. illus 42-43, p 98-99. I would want to research this further before being definitive.

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National Building Register:63764: ^{[Mill 1]} used in List of mills in Wakefield is not an English Heritage website. The template you have used is misleading as the information is published by Yorkshire Industrial Heritage. Can you correct it? J3Mrs (talk) 16:45, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Lists of textile mills by geographical location, which you created, has been nominated for upmerge to Category:Lists of textile mills. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:34, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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ClemRutter,

In American English a "textile worker" is a phrase for someone who actually works at the looms or spinners and is directly making textiles. It would not apply inventors, mill owners and other workers in the textile industry. (Auto workers and steel workers are similar, in that they imply someone directly making those products, not just someone in that industry.)

Does British English have that same usage? (I'm asking because Category:Textile workers contains subcategories that would not fit the American usage for that phrase. I want to make sure this isn't just a regional English issue before I propose to rename it.)

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Yes- just the same. A worker is someone who 'gets their hands dirty'. When talking about an industry- we talk about 'workers and management'. A worker would be paid a wage- while management would be paid a salary! I can't immediately think of a term that would encapsulate- the entrepreneurs who got rich by inventing new forms of cotton machinery and mill owners.

Samuel Crompton is an interesting case- as the article says he was a textile worker- but is notable because he invented the mule-jenny (Textile inventor) and started a company to produce them (Textile machinery manufacturer) (Employer). As he was poor he failed to patent the device... This may be where the confusion started! No-one would call William Houldsworth a textile worker. I will be interested to see your solution. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 07:28, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey - really excited to see you're doing articles on various doll makers. I will be keeping an eye out for these. Do let me know if you need any help or need to pick my brain - while I'm mainly a fashion guy, I have a lot of interest in antique and vintage dolls too. Mabalu (talk) 22:46, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Please note that I've put the start time of the Manchester meetup back to 1.30, and changed the venue to a pub closer to the training venue. (See meetup talkpage.) Bazonka (talk) 20:48, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Clem, It looks like the start time of the meetup may change further! Bazonka has changed to a maybe, so I have suggested that we delay the start of the meetup until the end of the training. If you would like to be part of the training then we can make that work. Even if you can't come until the afternoon that should work. In the afternoon we will be having an editing session and having someone extra on hand to help individuals would be great! Yaris678 (talk) 10:22, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Clem Thanks for your attention to the Rochester and Strood by-election, 2014 particularly since many inaccuracies have been posted. I don't want to appear to have joined that list, particularly since I know something about the subject! Rochester = cathedral town, rather than city (as I think you mean in common parlance, altho technically it is definitely a city!). Reckless is both current & subsequent MP but many readers might be confused by "subsequent" because Wiki normally states current Member of Parliament (correct me if I'm wrong). Labour's candidate had to be approved by NEC whereas the Tories for their own reasons were bound by their/its (should be stated as Conservative Party to be pedantic), the acting returning officer was Fenwick, and to be fair it wasn't just Danzcuk who criticized Thornberry's tweet (which importantly was of a house in Strood not Rochester). Anyway let me know how to iron out these inaccuracies (& others)... Many thanks M

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