User talk:ChrisGriswold/Archive 8

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Nope, but now you can. WesleyDodds 20:57, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. I have to say I prefer the finished product, though. Because it has Samuel motherfucking Jackson fighting motherfucking snakes on a motherfucking plane.

The most interesting alumni my school has (that I know of) include Stephen Robinson, DJ Shadow, and Steve Wynn. The singer to Counting Crows also attended, but I don't think he graduated. Of course none of them have ever had any involvement with any motherfucking snakes. WesleyDodds 18:53, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Yo, chris do you mind that I added Jim Hanley's Universe to your talkpage?Do you think it's a good idea that your name is the Doop (comics) article? Brian Boru is awesome 14:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't mind the link. And yes, I do think my name belongs there. Doop's speech pattern is a major part of the character, and that I was the one to decipher it is a major part of the discussion of the speech pattern. It is supported by sources. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 14:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah but don't you think you're promoting yourself?Because Chris Griswold is your username and real name right? Also I guess I'll change my vote.Brian Boru is awesome 14:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

What vote? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 14:30, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Wait, your RfA vote? Why did you decide to change that? I'm not going to argue, of course, but what changed your mind? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 14:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I wanted to see your reaction to what I did. I was testing to see if you would be a good adminstrator and you passed with flying colors!!!Brian Boru is awesome 15:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I am so confused. What was the test? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 15:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I wanted to see if you were going to get at mad at me of what I added. If you had not repsonded negatively I would have said no. This was a test to see how you would respond.No offense, man. Brian Boru is awesome 15:47, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I added the cat because her article said "Jenny Sparks is a pretty, yet foulmouthed, chain-smoking, bisexual blonde who sleeps around." --DrBat 17:28, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah. Somehow I missed the bisexual bit. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 17:31, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Chris,

You edited my user page [1], removing a copyrighted image of the cover of the comic book Kamandi # 5.

Can you clarify why you believe this is necessary? I certainly want to be a loyal Wikipedian and obey its rules, and I also want to obey the applicable laws of the United States. But, as I'm sure you can understand, an edit to my user page -- in particular, the removal of an artpiece that is clearly fundamental to the entire design of my user page -- is something that I hesitate to accept unless I am persuaded it's necessary.

First of all, is the objection to the image in general, or to its use on my page? In other words, according to the image's own Wikipedia page ([2]) it's a fair use image. You haven't deleted this image, nor objected to its use in the relevant article (Kamandi). Would you agree that these are permissible under Wikipedia policy?

Assuming that you don't object to these, then I presume your objection is to the way I used the image on my page, not to the image per se. What exactly is the objection, then? I wasn't using the image in a misleading way or for profit. I was using it to make my page into a faux-version of a comic book character page. Regardless of whether I succeeded in being funny, the deliberate comparision is clear (compare the actual Kamandi page to the old version of my page [3]). In my opinion, any reasonable reader would recognize that this is an attempt at humor, and would not believe that Larry King is actually a comic book character. I'm not claiming this qualifies as strict "satire" per se, but surely it falls under fair use? - Lawrence King 22:57, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad you are asking. The fair-use rationale is that the image is being discussed or used to describe something being discussed; fair-use images are for Wikipedia articles only and do not belong in any other namespace. I got the humor, but it doesn't matter what else is on your page: The image's being there violates its copyright. I apologize for any distress this may have caused you. You didn't do anything wrong. You just didn't know that bit of the complex information surrounding fair use, and it looks like you are doing a good job contributing as well. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 23:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Are you saying this is Wikipedia policy, or the law? I believe that the law allows fair use for satire purposes.

You mention specificially that fair-use images are for use in Wikipedia articles only. Suppose I downloaded my own fair-use image that wasn't being used for any Wikipedia article. I certainly could legally use that on my own website unrelated to Wikipedia. Why is my user page more restricted than this? - Lawrence King 17:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I found under WP:FU, Policy # 9, that Wikipedia fair use images are not permitted on user pages. I accept this as a Wikipedia rule, and won't violate it.

As a matter of law, I do believe that fair use is permitted for satirical purposes. The policies on the WP:FU page assume that the sole purpose of Wikipedia is as an encyclopedia (which, IMO, is not true of user pages) and the policies are designed accordingly. In other words, I think the policies are more restrictive than they need to be legally. But, regardless of whether I am correct in this matter, I will follow the current policy! - Lawrence King 17:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

The satire has to be about the copyrighted item you are using, and in this case it was not. It was about you, and the image is only tangentially related, so it does not satisfy fair use there either. Additionally, the difference between using a copyrighted picture on your web site and your user page is that Wikipedia owns your user page. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 17:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I say what I mean and I mean what I say. At least people always know I'm being straight with them. Even you drop the pretenses, Chris-man, like right now. This guy just kept on using the pretense of "civility". I'd hope for a natural reaction like..."I'm reporting you" or "Fine. Be a jerk". Instead, I get, "Have a nice day!" How can I respect someone who acts like that? It's like he's a friggin policitian! ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 23:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Still, I see where you're coming from. I'll try, man. Really, I will. Oh and congrats on the administrative consideration. If you need a vote, don't ask me. Ha! ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 23:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

FINE.--Chris Griswold (☎☓) 03:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with your removal of the spoiler warning, but I won't unilaterally put it back but rather suggest that you put it back yourself. Unlike a number of other, more recent musicals such as "Cats" or "Phantom", The Music Man is not at all well known outside of the United States. Not even in Anglophone countries such as Australia. Exposure in the Land Down Under is only through the 2003 TV movie version. That TV movie is recent, and its DVD is even more recent. Therefore, plot exposure would constitute spoiler. I suspect it is the same in the U.K. Imagine, then, what happens to non-Anglophone areas such as continental Europe. Haonhien 01:11, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

"the 2003 TV movie version." We are so sorry about that, by the way. ~CS 20:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Chris, from your comments on both the comicbook projects page and on Aquaman I gather you were a bit upset at the page splits. Please know that I had no idea creating new articles for different versions of a core character would percipitate the reaction which it has. I was unaware of the specific naming conventions and still feel ultimately they would be best served as individual articles, but gladly differ to the consensus. I hope this difference in view point hasn't strained relations between as, since I still appreciate our joint contribution on Multiverse (DC) and look forward to continued collaboration. Regards. NetK 18:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

No, we're fine. I've made much worse mistakes. Remember this, though, before you sign up for AWB. Because if you don't, you'll make the kind of mistakes I have. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 18:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

(good job with the admin nomin btw)

Venom (comics) has some style issues and condensing problems in my opinion. It is also 40K too long. For example, Venom II & III each have they're own section but they're both about half a paragraph long. I think they could both be condensed under a "The Last Stand" heading or something. I think you do a good job of deciding which information is most relevent, so I would like you to take a look.

--Exvicious 23:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll go look now. I was looking for something to do. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 23:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Just wanted to say hi. Despite our minor differences of opinion on the Mister Rogers article, I see you've put a lot of work into it. I thought the article was really quite good (I just wanted to rearrange how the information was presented to make it more chronological).

I see you're from Pittsburgh too. Great that Pittsburgh has a growing improv scene. I miss it sometimes; seems like a lot is happening there nowadays. NickBurns 17:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Our differences are very, very minor. Your edits were very good. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 17:34, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

"The decision was controversial at first but proved a major sales success (not surprisingly, since the audience was overwhelmingly young and male), but also led to a number of "boy wonders" in other superhero comics (famously Bucky in Captain America and Rick Jones, who became entwined with Captain Mar-Vell, a redefined "sidekick")." There some beef with this I don't see? It's been reverted. Again... Trekphiler 06:42, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I see this one's been listed on the Noticeboard for a while - would I be messing up any work in progress if I made a start on it myself? If not, I might have a go... Thanks, --Mrph 20:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Go for it. Let me know if you need help. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 20:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Cheers - first attempt done - it's still too wordy and the original article needed various bits of tidy-up which will need to be done, but it's getting there. --Mrph 23:39, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats on your successful RfA! I have no doubt you'll make a great admin. EVula 19:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Ding! Congrats! --Newt_ΨΦ 19:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations! You now have a lot of people to thank :-) —Malber (talk • contribs) 19:23, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, everyone. Now I have to come up with some clever thing to add to people's talk pages to thanks them as personally as I can while using cut and paste. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 19:36, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

(after delay and two edit conflicts :) You're now an admin, so use the new tools wisely to make this a better place. Use them conservatively, especially at first, and re-read the relevant policies before acting. As you get the hang of it, jump in and help out with the backlogs. Other than that, have fun and keep up the good work. - Taxman ^Talk 19:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Dude! I just used rollback for vandalism on Whiskey Rebellion! Amazing! Where'd all these extra tabs come from?! --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 19:35, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats, Chris! All the extra tabs are the admin tools. They come from the admin toolbox. Have fun, but not too much fun. Steve block Talk 19:49, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats and good luck. You may just come to regret this, you know, but I'm glad to see you in an admin seat. Doczilla 20:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats, man! Just keep up the great work! —Lesfer ^(t/c/@) 04:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Gratz on the getting the 'ship. =) If you have any questions, feel free to contact me.

P.S. worst picture ever. lol...come on...a newborn baby? P.P.S Comic Sans pwns ur pittsburgh socks anyday. =) Nishkid64 21:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Glad to see your RfA passed! Keep up the good work! -- P.B. Pilhet / Talk 21:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Same here, Chris. Jayjg ^(talk) 21:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Dude. Great congrats. Remember the little people. You know, like Munchkins, Snow White's Dwarves, Wolverine.... Seriously, it's great to see such a responsible and knowledgeable person willing to take on such a volunteer effort. I know it'll inform other aspects of your life. With respect and hoopla, -- Tenebrae 21:37, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations, Chris! Remember, use your new powers for evil, not good! Now nominate me! ;) --Aaron 21:37, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations. I trust that you will do a great job as an administrator. And even if you haven't been fighting much vandalism in the weeks prior to the RfA, I am certain that you have all the qualities to perform well with your new tools. By the way, thanks to you I've just decided that I don't really want to have a baby.--Húsönd 21:43, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Who would have guessed that an RfA would have worked towards slowing the Earth's population surge? Strange... EVula 22:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Hahaha. ++ Nishkid64 22:02, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

lol, I'll chime in on the rather odd image selection as well. For me, you edit conflicted me as I was making a formatting change to my talk page, resulting in the image coming up when all I had tried to do was change a header. Freaked me out for about half a second. Congratulations on the RfA! --tjstrf 22:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Babies and cigars. Can life get any better? :p Congratulations, I hope you enjoy the new tools. riana_dzasta 09:31, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations on your adminship. Even though I didn't support your RfA, I am committed to the supporting your efforts now that the community has approved you for adminship, and I'm sure you'll do very well. Keep up all your work, and may you use your new tools for good and for awesome! Heimstern Läufer 22:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I wouldn't promote cigars as you do indirectly... but perhaps I've just seen a few too many smokers with either COPD, lung cancer or bad peripheral vascular disease. Nephron  T|C 01:53, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

... some people just don't have a sense of humor. -- Ned Scott 02:16, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think you should promote babies either: they're smelly, noisy, keep you up all night, and eventually will want to drive your car. <wink> —Malber (talk • contribs) 12:10, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I thought I'd ad my voice to the chorus and clutter your talk page even further. Keep up the good work! ~CS 02:20, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Good job on achieving adminship. And keep up the good work on Pittsburgh-related articles. I'll be sure to congradulate you vocally if and when we see each other in real life. Scobell302 03:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

now get back to work! =p Bloodpack 06:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I've seen you kicking around on the Comics Wikiproject for as long as I can remember. Here's to some Administrative Kicking! --InShaneee 15:53, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey Chris, congrats. I think you deserve adminship as much or more than anyone I've seen. You earned it and good luck! Don't forget, WGPTMACGR! --HKMarksTALKCONTRIBS 01:18, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations on your promotion, and you're very welcome! --Merovingian ※ Talk 21:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

CovenantD 02:31, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

hi, im having trouble finding the right tag for the image of Leinil Francis Yu, i found this image through http://komikero.com in Gerry Alanguilan's blog, actually its a YOUTUBE image that i screen printed. I was there during the event of that particular video. Whats the right image tag that i should place for it? thanks Bloodpack 06:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Who owns the video? If it's you or Leinil Francis Yu, then we can use it. Otherwise, I'm not so sure, because the copyright owner has not released the image for this sort of use. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 07:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

its in Gerry Alanguilan's blog, are blogs also have copyrights? to whom should i get permission? to leinil or gerry? Bloodpack 11:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Good catch on JLU/JL Adv; I hadn't put that info in, but just the footnote to give it citation. I should have checked to make sure an editor's edit was correct before blithely footnoting. That said, someone reverted your edit, so I wanted to give you a head's up.-- Tenebrae 19:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)