User talk:Chicdat/Archive 8

This is an archive of past discussions with User:Chicdat. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

Per consensus at the administrator's noticeboard (permanent link), the following topic ban has been enacted:

Chicdat is topic-banned from editing pages within projectspace ("Wikipedia:"). He is still able to edit the talkpages of these pages to make any requests and engage in discussions. Chicdat is additionally prohibited from editing redirects to pages in the project space, for the same period. These restrictions are appealable at WP:ANI no sooner than 6 months."

Please read Wikipedia:Banning policy#Topic ban, Wikipedia:Banning policy#Exceptions to limited bans and Wikipedia:Banning policy#Evasion and enforcement.

This topic ban will be logged at Wikipedia:Editing restrictions.

Regards
Daniel (talk) 22:28, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

@Daniel: Please remove my PCR rights. I don't want to get the impression that I can review changes in project space. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 12:51, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

This has been done. Daniel (talk) 23:41, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

@Daniel: I'm asking for clarification about the ban here. Some users believe that "projectspace" includes pages in other namespaces as well (i.e. Help: Template: File:); am I allowed to edit those pages? 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 12:15, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

My reading of your restriction is that it only restricts you from "Wikipedia:"-space. Which users believe this, and where is the on-wiki discussion about it? Daniel (talk) 14:46, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Levivich said in their comment: the important thing is that it should be a tban from projectspace (not just WP: but also templates, files, etc.) and not a pblock from just the Wikipedia namespace (I don't think they should be in WT: pages either). Thank you for the clarification. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 12:11, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

To remind myself of this ban, I have set the archiving using DNAU so this thread cannot be archived prior to 250 days from now. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 12:10, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Daniel: Do project-space pages in draftspace fall under my ban? 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 11:29, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes. Daniel (talk) 23:27, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

@Daniel: Am I allowed to request that an edit be made on my behalf on the talk page of a projectspace page, and if so, which template should I use? 🐔dat (talk) 11:14, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

No, see Wikipedia:Banning_policy#Proxying. Please stop trying to find ways around your ban, it isn't a good look (to me, at least, and I assume others). Daniel (talk) 17:03, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

@Daniel: So I will get blocked for this? 🐔dat (talk) 11:15, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Doesn't the note "He is still able to edit the talkpages of these pages to make any requests and engage in discussions." contradict that? Skarmory (talk • contribs) 05:12, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

@Skarmory: Yes, it does. Maybe put the contradiction up on XRV 🐔dat (talk) 11:07, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

@Daniel: Can I make other comments in the ban appeal section (i.e. to answer questions raised by other editors)? 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 12:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

I looked at your ban appeal, but it seems like that you aren't very ready to get involved back at Wikipedia: space. Sorry to disappoint you, but you need to get more mature for a task like that. I want to also remind that you are targeted by some user in an arbitration case in regards to the topic ban discussion, which made me considering to appeal your topic ban. Unfortunately however, as tainted it was, the issue that led to your topic ban isn't resolved to this day. You need to be more patient, maybe next year or so. My best suggestion is that you should damp your enthusiasm and take more time away from Wikipedia, since Wikipedia: and Wikipedia talk: space appears to draw your attention the most. It took me a long time to get myself into what it is now, and I believe you can do it eventually. As long as you don't push yourself too much. MarioJump83! 12:58, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

I would be willing to mentor Chicdat in editing and improving articles, if the user accepts, to foster good will in the community. That could go a long way to making sure the user understands that the point of Wikipedia is to build an encyclopedia, not primarily to make friends or to talk about improving the encyclopedia. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 18:44, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Agree. I won't be able to mentor Chicdat at this point in time, and I failed as a mentor. My only call is to keep my watch. MarioJump83! 06:52, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink: Mentorship seems like the only way out of this mess, and I hope the knowledge I gain from it will help me craft a successful ban appeal in the future. I accept. 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:12, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

@MarioJump83: You didn't fail as a mentor. You taught me how to accept and decline AFC drafts. 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:12, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

@MarioJump83: I wouldn't say that you failed as a mentor, but that you stepped up to the plate when it was needed. However, there were certain things that you couldn't help Chicdat as they are the skills that come with age. I personally think that @Hurricanehink:'s proposal is interesting but wonder if they aren't trying to cut off more than he can chew.Jason Rees (talk) 10:25, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Age was not raised in the ban discussion, or the appeal. The argument that sunk my appeal was the post-ban disruption at WT:CSD, which was the reasoning for every oppose but one. 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:35, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

You may not want to hear this, but I think it's important for you to hear if you're going to have a successful unblock - You're misunderstanding the reason people opposed. People didn't oppose your unblock because of your comments at WT:CSD specifically, they opposed because of what they represented. The edits at WT:CSD were the symptom, not the disease, as they say. You need to address the reasons why you made those comments in the first place.

There are some fundamental issues with your approach to "behind the scenes" editing that you need to work on, again this might not be pleasant to read. By far your biggest issue is that you lack the self-awareness to recognise when you are completely out of your depth and don't understand what is going on. Rather than standing back and saying "I don't know about X, I'll let someone who does know comment" you jump in and comment anyway, which results in discussions ending up being "explain stuff to Chicdat" rather than "address the issue being discussed". Combined with your habit of being impulsive and just doing things without thinking them through fully this resulted in a massive time sink in project space.

Another thing that you need to work on is your ability to loose a debate gracefully and step away from a discussion. When something doesn't go your way you need to accept it and move on, rather than continuing to try and get your way. This is exacerbated by you not really being able to read consensus properly.

These shouldn't be seen as flaws of personality on your part, the issues here are driven by lack of experience and consequently a lack of maturity, they will resolve themselves with time.

There are things that you can work on right now, however. One thing that has repeatedly reared its head as an issue is the gaps in your knowledge of policy and process. Read policies, make sure you understand all the intricacies and exceptions and then apply them in discussions.

If I was in your position what I would do is pick one "behind the scenes" activity that you can do without access to wikipedia space and focus on getting really good at it. Learn the policies and show that you understand them in detail. Have several months of high-quality problem free contributions in that specific area. Get involved in discussions about it; show us that you understand when your thoughts are useful and when they are not, show us that you can write comments grounded in research, policy and well thought out suggestions, rather than just the first thing that you think of. With that evidence I would then go to AN and write an appeal asking for the block to be lifted from a few associated pages. If you can demonstrate changed behaviour on those pages then go back with that evidence and ask for more sections to be lifted, etc etc etc. Trying to get the whole thing lifted in one go is a monumental task. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 01:09, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

I fully agree with everything you say, IP. The ban was the only solution to my behavioral issues. Otherwise, as I said in my appeal, I would have likely been indeffed before Thanksgiving. But instead of taking time out to review policies, I thought, "Oh, participation in a backstage area will help me appeal my ban." and I jumped into CSD, with zero knowledge of how often proposals there passed. And with every unhelpful comment I made there, the chances of a successful appeal decreased more and more.

So in January, very stupidly, I thought, "I'm going to edit in an area that requires very little communication (Lint) so I can 'keep my nose clean' until May." What I didn't notice was "2000 lint fixes won't help me very much in my appeal." And no, they did not. Despite my efforts, absolutely nobody thought the ban should be removed. Exactly the type of unanimously-against-me behavior I've found too much on Wikipedia.

So that's why I've accepted Hurricanehink's mentorship below. Maybe that'll make me, at last, competent enough to edit in Wikipedia: space. And maybe in my next appeal, I'll have something other than opposes. 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:34, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Note to self: I am planning to partially appeal the ban around mid-August. Three months to my last try. Useful links: [1] [2] 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:55, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

OK, I've thought about it, and I'll wait until I really need it. 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:15, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Can you please not change her spelling to Brañas? Her name is spelt as Branyas, just check the GRG World Supercentenarian Rankings List. VehicleandWeatherEnthusiast2022 (talk) 12:50, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

@VehicleandWeatherEnthusiast2022: This will give you the answer. 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:00, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Chicdat. Earlier today, you removed Ada Thompson from List of the oldest living people stating that the ESO is not a reliable source, but you did not state a reason for this source's unreliability. Can you cite the specific Wikipedia policy that deems this source unreliable? Just want to make sure we're on the same page here. Thanks. Softmist (talk) 16:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@Softmist: An ANI discussion earlier this year [3] describes it as a self-published breakaway organisation from the GRG. It should not be seen as a reliable source. 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Very well, that's fair. Thank you for making me aware of this prior discussion. Softmist (talk) 15:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Chicdat, I noticed that you removed an ESO cited entry which was added by Softmist. You stated that ESO was not considered a reliable source. Softmist also added LAS cited entries at the same time (www.supercentenarios.net). The entries were Eusebio Quintero López and Susana Gutiérrez Godoy. Does LAS fall in the same category as ESO or is it considered reliable. Thanks, Ralph Rklingmann (talk) 01:49, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

@Rklingmann: Sorry, I don't know enough about LAS to determine its reliability. If you want to know if LAS is reliable, you can always ask at WP:RS/N. 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 09:59, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

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Sorry I dropped off the face of Wikipedia this summer. Other projects came up, and I had to focus my time elsewhere. Are you still editing these days? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:16, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Still editing, though I'm mainly focusing on User:Chicdat/sandbox these days. 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 11:05, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

		The Tropical Cyclone Barnstar
		Thank you for your contributions at this season's article. ✶Mitch199811✶ 00:45, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mitch199811: Thanks for the barnstar. 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 11:11, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Please don't repeat that edit. That's not an error, and you're introducing a tracking error. (If the color code param is not filled with a color code, the template generates a tracking error. 'Unknown' is not a color code; 'unclassified' is.) — kwami (talk) 11:58, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Kwamikagami: Actually, it is an error, see WP:LINT. Restoring the "unclassified" parameter (somehow) is read as a <ul> tag without another closing tag by Linter, which creates a log entry that somebody will one day see and fix. Maybe you know a way to remove the Lint error without also removing the color code? 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 12:04, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

I have no idea. The error appears to be in the LINT syntax, so that's what presumably needs to be fixed. These tracking codes have been used for over a decade without a problem. — kwami (talk) 12:06, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello! This is to inform you that there is an ongoing discussion, which is proposal to 100% scrap (delete) the two possible F5/EF5/T10+ lists on the List of F5 and EF5 tornadoes article. Feel free to participate here! Elijahandskip (talk) 19:54, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi, it's been some time. It seems to me that you have gone a long way to become a much improved contributor to Wikipedia, which is great. As much as it is though, it appears sometimes that you got some complaints with your edits - which may dash your hopes at getting that TBAN lifted.

Personally though, I want to apologize for my behavior towards you back in early 2021 when getting you into my mentorship. I didn't think clearly of myself at that time as I was really stressed with family matters at large, which eventually led into my semi-retirement in June 2021. Not just that, I may have failed you from getting out of eventual TBAN. But at the very least now you can point out errors on every article you find with my help.

Despite all of this, I am looking forward towards your TBAN being lifted and hopefully get the understanding how Wikipedia: space works. As it stands though, you have gone out of trouble for most of this year. If you keep this going, maybe some day I'll make a case for you getting that TBAN removed. But for now, have a great time! MarioJump83 (talk) 17:31, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi MarioJump83. I really don't think I've been in any serious trouble over the past year, but I haven't really done much the past year either. Either way, thanks for coming to my talk page. One question, though: what are the complaints with my edits you're referring to? 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 12:02, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Well it is about lint fixing edits. Some people seems not to be happy about it, but I believe that's fine. MarioJump83 (talk) 23:53, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Just an FYI that we could be looking at John 1994's record falling if Freddy survives much longer. Noah^Talk 12:15, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. Judging from the article, it seems like Freddy isn't interested in dissipating anytime soon. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 12:17, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

You should see User:Hurricane Noah/Map. Just something I was experimenting with. There is full data embedded in the point at 90E if you click it. Noah^Talk 12:22, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Did you propose anything like that in the color RfC? It seems a lot more useful than our current maps. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 12:25, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

People dont like them and it would be too difficult since maps cant be done by bot. Noah^Talk 12:28, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Aaron Liu. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Wikipedia talk:Vector 2022/FAQ have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:56, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@Aaron Liu: First, please see WP:Don't template the regulars; I have 20,000 edits and you should have given me a personal message. Second, I understand in hindsight that my edit wasn't very good, and I won't do it again. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

My bad. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:36, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Precious

Two years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:59, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Template:Tropical depression numbers has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:48, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

I have just noticed that you have an alternate account. I want to remind you that you could use Template:Alternate account and redirect the talkpage of that account to yours in here. Please be warned that you shouldn't do any sockpuppetry stuff with that account, Destroyeraa got blocked two years ago for not disclosing and did not use their alternative account properly. Now they use Destroyeraa-alt for most of their activity, but they did use the account in proper way. MarioJump83 (talk) 02:47, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

I've added the template and redirected the talk page. Thank you for telling me about this; I don't want to be accused of sockpuppetry. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:39, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

BTW, I have set up an userbox relating to that alternative account on your userpage. By the way. In regards to your alternative account's pagemove of Louis I of Spain, you should have asked FOR consensus first before moving in the talk page of that article - it appears that most of your problems in the first place have been caused by that, mostly due to misunderstanding and preferring to make premature actions like this. This is why I see your plan to get topic unbanned now is risky. Good decision to not seek unbanning first, as you need to get firm support from everybody especially people who get actively involved in WP:ANI. MarioJump83 (talk) 12:42, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it appears that my "jumping-right-in" hasn't completely stopped. Perhaps you could start mentoring me again, so [I] have the Elephant to see the difference between WP:BOLD and reckless wishful thinking? Anyway, if I tried to appeal right now, Louis and the message from March would sink me for sure, so over the next few months I'm planning to ask a lot of the people who appeared in the ban discussion and the appeal (Cabayi, whom I quoted above, and Hink chief among them). Until then, how do you think I should edit? Should I stay semi-inactive, or bring my speed up to editing daily again? And are there any particular areas you'd wish me to work in (e.g. WT:Weather) to prepare me for the appeal? 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 14:30, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

In regards about mentoring so you could be able to make a difference between BOLD and reckless editing, I don't think you should get any mentoring from me this way and better search anyone who could. I could not spend my time with you on this website as you would have liked because there's real-life matters to go on.

Regarding editing, as I have said before, being semi-active is the best way to avoid many problems you have. Being too active can make you end up like CommanderWaterford, and my activity in early 2021 eventually caught up with me as well. And about where you would like to work on in Wikipedia, I would like you to read and understand most of Wikipedia's guidelines regarding consensus and consensusmaking in particular. Sorry for my use of harsh words but the most reckless actions you have made seems to come from misunderstanding of consensusmaking. That being said, you could actively hone these skills on WT:Weather and/or being an active participant on Talk:List of the verified oldest people, in which the article you seem to be actively editing on. MarioJump83 (talk) 04:05, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Holy cow I just stumbled onto your sandbox, incredible progress you’ve made! I can’t believe you only have 1995 to present to finish the list. Great work so far. I’m sure it’s felt like an endless project - I’ve done a few of those. But once you’re done, it’s amazing to enjoy the feeling of being done, having compiled something so massive, and honestly something so useful. I don’t know if there’s any other lists anywhere that has every Atlantic TS, but thanks to you, that will be a reality on Wikipedia in the near future. Keep it up! Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 16:31, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Hink. When I'm finished, you'll be the first to know. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 20:22, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

I hope to be the first to award you a well-deserved barnstar when it’s done! Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 00:36, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink and Skarmory: I was wondering if it would make a good FL when it's finished, something like List of Category 3 Pacific hurricanes. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:23, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Assuming everything is accurate and formatted correctly, then, yes, I think it could be a great featured list. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 21:32, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

I second this. Great work. I saw it a while ago and was stunned at how good it looked. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 05:34, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey there Chicdat. I was just thinking about the list of Atlantic tropical storms (I was actually talking about it). I know you've been working on it for a long time. The article is probably done enough to publish it, if you'd like. I just wanted to check if you wanted me to wait, of if that was OK. Publishing it would mean that maybe other people could finish the article, especially since it would be in the mainspace, and linked to all of the other categories (like Category 5). ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:52, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry Hink, but once I get a handle on my schedule IRL, I will finish it myself. So I'd actually prefer for it to stay there for the time being. If I change my mind (which is likely especially for some of the sub-columns) then I'm open to the idea. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:32, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

No prob, focus on RL and doing your thing. Hope you’re doing alright. That article needs publishing one of these years 😜 Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 23:56, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 12:20, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

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Precious

Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 17:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

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There is a large and important discussion ongoing, with the goal to completely overhaul and improve the List of F5 and EF5 tornadoes. The previous improvement attempt back in 2022/2023 gained almost no participation. This alert is being sent out so these discussions hopefully gain a reasonably-sized participation, so the F5/EF5 tornado article, one of the most viewed weather-related articles on Wikipedia, can be improved for all readers!

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Fram (talk) 16:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey Chicdat, I wondered if you minded if I published your sandbox? I know it's incomplete, but I think it's remarkable how much you've done. And considering there's still a need for the List of Atlantic tropical storms, I figured that it's more likely to get done if we publish it. Would that be OK? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Sure, you can publish it. I can't see myself working on it that much in the foreseeable future, so the more people work on it, the better. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Just a heads up about your article's expansion :D ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:37, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

That would have taken me about half a year. Glad "my" article is becoming a collective effort. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

You got the ball rolling. It's what collaborations are all about! Hope you're doing well Chicdat. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)