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NOAA has two tornadoes listed. One for Fort O and the other in East Ridge/East Brainerd/Bradley County.
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Hey, I've seen you editing a lot lately and just wanted to stop by and say welcome (again). It's been pretty entertaining watching you learn how to do things around here haha. You're doing great work, keep it up. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 23:04, 20 April 2020 (UTC)@TropicalAnalystwx13: Thank you very much! I've always wanted to help with this, but just got around to doing so! I would love to join the Severe Weather Project and the Tropical Weather Project, but I don't want to be pushy just yet! LOL! Anyway, thanks for help!
This would seem to indicate that Fashion doesn't even exist as a place anymore. The only mention is a couple road names in a subdivision. I wouldn't take your cherry picked website as a reliable source. It doesn't even turn up on Google or MapQuest. Those headers are supposed to be for significant communities, and I can't even find mention of it from NWS Atlanta. As such, the header should be changed so only significant communities involved are reflected or changed to "Murray County, Georgia." United States Man (talk) 22:24, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Nevermind, I at least found it a couple places. I still don't think it should be included however, because, like I say, the headers should be for the more significant communities, not every place. United States Man (talk) 22:30, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
@United States Man:I understand that, but even the Wikipedia page for Murray County, Georgia has it in there, even though it doesn't have an article. Its just that its unincorporated. Just because its not very well known, doesn't mean it shouldn't be included. I found the town name in the damage viewer (you have to zoom in to where it is crossing Norton Bridge Road), the Wikipedia page, and various places online so I can't say that I agree with you here. Also, the tornado only tracked 8.8 miles, so listing it as "Murray County, Georgia" wouldn't make sense to me. Now the tornado was a significant distance from both Chatsworth or Cisco, so disposing of those town names make sense, but if directly moved through Fashion and Sumac so I think they should stay. Also, I've been trying to reply to you for the last 5 minutes, but kept getting an editing conflict! LET ME SPEAK! LOL! XDChessEric (talk) 22:34, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
I've opened up a discussion on the talk page so we can all discuss it there.ChessEric (talk) 22:36, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
I still don't support having four locations in a section header for a tornado track of less than 10 miles. I have done more research and found it in several places too; wonder why it's not on Google or MapQuest? But oh well, I'll yield if you insist. :P United States Man (talk) 22:39, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
@United States Man:Oh no! You make a valid point! I've opened up a discussion on the talk page so we can all discuss it there. I'm still new, so there are things that I won't try to even act like I understand. So lets just talk about it there.ChessEric (talk) 22:45, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
May 12 tornado vent
While I don't disagree the that today's tornado event likely isn't notable enough for a section, you seem to be at the limit of the three-revert rule and further reverts would likely constitute edit warring. Placing a hidden not may be helpful. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:26, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
Oh shoot! Thanks for telling me! I had actually misunderstood that rule, so thanks for telling me! I was reverting because I'm not home right now and I'm using my flip phone to do edits, which is a pain. ChessEric (talk) 21:40, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
@TornadoLGS: By the way, what is the criteria to joining the Severe Weather Project? Also, are we going to change the format for the tornado emergencies list?ChessEric (talk) 21:40, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
There are no real criteria afaik. If you are interested in contributing you can just add yourself to the list. I'm not sure what's going on with the tornado emergencies list since I've been working on off-wikipedia projects, but it looks like the discussion just kind of petered out. That's happened a few times on other pages like the List of F5 and EF5 tornadoes. TornadoLGS (talk) 01:50, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
It looks like a few different people added it so they may not have seen your edit summaries. People will sometimes disagree on what is notable enough for inclusion. One rule of thumb for minimum criteria is that an event must produce at least three confirmed tornadoes, at least one EF2+ tornado, or at least one fatality. TornadoLGS (talk) 02:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
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Good afternoon ChessEric (talk·contribs)! I saw you might be interested in joining the tropical cyclone WikiProject. Whether you work on tornadoes, or blizzards, or tropical cyclones, I think it's important to document weather and its effects, in this era of disinformation and global warming. I just wanted to reach out from someone in the tropical cyclone project, and that I'd be happy to assist your editing if you're interested. I hope you're healthy and well these days. Cheers, ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:48, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I saw you're making "Tornadoes by Year" articles for the 1950's. Here's a link to the Tornadoes by Year template to add to the 1950's and 1960's year articles.
Template:Tornadoes by year
Hope this helps. Good Job.--Halls4521 (talk) 23:41, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Hey I know you're fixing older articles right now, but if you have the time, would you be able to help me keep this year's info up to date? There's a handful of surveyed EF0 and EF1 tornadoes (not too exciting I know) from the May 23-24 period that aren't listed here yet. I'll add those soon, but there's also quite a lot of SPC tornado reports from the May 21-26 time frame that I cannot find survey info for. Maybe I'm missing something? If you're able to dig some of this info up, it would be greatly appreciated. I just don't want us to get too behind on current events. Thanks!
TornadoInformation12 (talk) 00:49, 28 May 2020 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you copied or moved text from 1953 Sarnia tornado into another page. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g., copied content from [[page name]]; see that page's history for attribution. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to also place a properly formatted {{copied}} template on the talk pages of the source and destination. Please provide attribution for this duplication if it has not already been supplied by another editor, and if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, you should provide attribution for that also. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Thank you. Moneytrees🌴Talk🌲Help out at CCI!15:55, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Re: Hello + reorganization.
Certainly I am able to assist you. I would politely advise, however, that you learn more about proper formatting. There are a number of pages on Wikipedia that can help in this regard. Nevertheless, I appreciate your efforts to update, improve, and improvise tornado-related material on Wikipedia. This area could use more expertise on par with that of WPTC. CapeVerdeWave (talk) 06:06, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
@CapeVerdeWave: Of course! I'm still new here, so I'm willing to learn new things all the time! Is there any formatting in particular with formatting that I should learn? ChessEric (talk) 12:39, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Also, going by the references in the article, that is the correct death count, but not the official count. It appears two people wasn't a part of the official death count due to dying of their injuries later. I think that info should stay in the article even if we go by the official count.--Halls4521 (talk) 02:27, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
I've been working on {CW|62}} and the references you make to them keep showing up. First, you need the protocol (http:// or https://) or the link will not work. Secondly, you really should be using one of the citation templates and probably creating an archive of the page. I'd think {{cite web}} should work, and the Web Archive is what I use for archives. This helps prevent WP:ROT. Jerod Lycett (talk) 05:02, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
@Jerodlycett: My apologies. I'm doing major article expansions right now and the device I'm using is a flip phone, so trying to type out full references is time-consuming and a true pain. In addition, it doesn't add the http:// part to any of the websites for some reason and I keep forgetting to add it myself. I do plan to add full references later, but I will be mindful of what you said. Again, I'm sorry. ChessEric (talk) 16:26, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
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@ChessEric: When citing sources, be sure to put in the name of the reference. Also, when citing NCDC data, use {{cite report}}.
Example:
<ref name="Example">{{cite report|author=National Weather Service|date=February 2020|url=https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=9988797|title=Florida Event Report: F1 Tornado|publisher=National Centers for Environmental Information|accessdate=17 June 2020}}</ref>
National Weather Service (February 2020). Florida Event Report: F1 Tornado (Report). National Centers for Environmental Information. Retrieved 17 June 2020.
@CapeVerdeWave: Thank you for that. I never seem to know how to write out the NCDC reference. LOL! I did an edit in one of your drafts by the way, but I hope you don't mind it.ChessEric (talk) 21:27, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
@ChessEric: In addition to data from Grazulis' book(s), I am currently attempting to add more information to your articles, but unfortunately I receive a 502 Proxy Error (Bad Gateway) message when I attempt to access the Storm Data and Climatological Data National Summary publications (PDFs) via NCDC/NCEI. I see, however, that you were able to add specific information about damage for several of the tornadoes in this draft. Were you able to access the PDF files I mentioned? CapeVerdeWave (talk) 10:00, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
@CapeVerdeWave: Oh. Um...I didn't see any PDF mentions actually. Those damage reports were from NWS Birmingham's tornado archive page. Sorry. LOL! What PDFs are we talking about again?ChessEric (talk) 11:17, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Why would you put in a highway number that is not signed and is only numbered for TDOT purposes. Literally no common reader of this article, including most that live there, are aware of SR 24, so why include it? Also, myself and TornadoInformaton12 had an agreement on the section header name. Why did you change it? There is not a set procedure to follow for this, just the most common area(s) impacted. The tornado never entered the Baxter city limits and the most intense damage was technically neither in Cookeville nor Baxter. Also, when you do NCDC updates and get those little bump in the road communities without an article or any notability, it is better to use a nearby larger town for location. United States Man (talk) 22:39, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
@United States Man: Again, I'm sorry. When I research things, I like to be factual to a "T". That goes for town names, route numbers, max width of tornadoes, etc. So when I saw that the tornado went through Ensor, Tennessee and that U.S. Route 70N was co-signed with Tennessee State Route 24, I just added it in. Plus, for me, a road name is not as important as the route number, which is why I changed Lancaster Highway to Tennessee State Route 141. My autism does make these traits of mine REALLY annoying to some people, so I completely understand your frustration. Also, and this may sound weird but its what I do, I put in little towns because the effects there are just as important as the bigger ones. Just because its not on every map doesn't mean it shouldn't be there. I actually saw an article on this from the 2011 Super Outbreak where the 2011 Hackleburg–Phil Campbell tornado was overshadowed by the 2011 Tuscaloosa–Birmingham tornado despite being longer-tracked, stronger, and deadlier than that tornado, leaving some to feel like they were not as important. That's just my opinion, but I hope you understand where I'm coming from.
I hope this sheds some light about how I like to do things on here. Again, I'm sorry for upsetting you as this has also been somewhat of boring and irritable day for me as well.ChessEric (talk) 22:56, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Well I am from this area, so if you aren't you'll never have me beat on geography :P. Ensor is not really thought of as an actual place outside of online maps; it's just 70N between Gentry and Baxter. I agree somewhat with the other highways, but WP:COMMONNAME could apply in this case because these roads are rarely referred to by highway number. Some people don't even know the numbers to be honest. So, I felt like it is better to have the actual road name, which is how the highways are known. Also, if you wouldn't mind, I'd like to change the header back to our previous agreement. United States Man (talk) 23:20, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
@United States Man: Oh my goodness. We should've just let you do everything regarding that part of the article then. Also, the name was change was by admin, so I hate to say it, but I can't give an opinion on that.ChessEric (talk) 23:34, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
List of North American tornadoes and tornado outbreaks
Hi -
You seem to be putting in alot of energy into List of North American tornadoes and tornado outbreaks. Is your vision that EVERY tornado be listed on this page? Seems like this could make this page very long and I'm not sure that's the original intent of the page - to have an encyclopedic list. Not saying you are doing anything wrong, but this page is just getting really long since I started watching it about 10 yrs ago. Thoughts?
-- Ckruschke (talk) 18:14, 21 July 2020 (UTC)Ckruschke
@Ckruschke:: Thanks for notifying me on your concern.
Actually, the additional outbreaks that I'm putting on the page are (a) outbreaks that are in the process of being made and/or (b) ones that I or others plan to make in the future. There are just so many notable outbreaks that need articles that just don't have any. Don't worry though: every tornado will not be on this list because not all tornadoes are particularly notable. For example, an outbreak in 1952 had 10 tornadoes, one of them being an F4. However, all the other tornadoes were weak and none of them caused casualties, so it was not included. Additionally, I don't think all the outbreaks listed will stay as some of the additions are more preliminary and require more research to determine notability.
I will admit that I agree the list is getting long however. I think that that could be rectified by maybe splitting the centuries up into different articles though rather then getting rid the outbreaks that don't have pages. Wikipedia is forever expanding, so I just believe that more work needs to be improve this part of it.
Ok, but there are alot of tornadoes, particularly at the top of the page but also spread throughout, that have been added that have less than 5 deaths. This is my concern - where is the delineation point? Ckruschke (talk) 13:52, 22 July 2020 (UTC)Ckruschke
@Ckruschke: Again, the outbreaks added are getting articles. For example, I just added a new one overnight. There are plenty of outbreaks on the list that have less the five fatalities on the list to begin with. I can't quite give you a delineation point, but I will tell you any outbreak or day that has an F5 tornado should get an article. Other outbreaks that have 5+ deaths and/or 50+ injuries may also be, but are not always, included. The LA tornadoes were notable so I decided to make a section for that as well. I believe sections on this list should be ones that get or are getting articles. I'll talk to CycloneBiskit about it, but I hope I've cleared at some things up. ChessEric (talk) 15:32, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
@Ckruschke: Thanks man! By the way, if you want to help with the making of the articles you can, either by adding on to the outbreak pages on my user page or creating one of your own. My plate is VERY full so I will take all the help I can get.ChessEric (talk) 04:14, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
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@CapeVerdeWave:Glad to know I wasn't the only one. I kept getting proxy and other errors when I was trying to get the NCDC/NCEI reports yesterday. It was frustrating.ChessEric (talk) 16:52, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Hey there, I've been adding a few storms to the article for C1 Atlantic canes. I think it could be a good collaboration. Would you be interested in participating in a collaboration with other users to help finish the article? No worries if not - happy editing! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:15, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
@Destroyeraa: I do, hence my name. It used to be my YouTube handle name before I changed it because I was doing chess-related stuff on it like I planned to. LOL!ChessEric (talk) 01:28, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Hey just letting you know you’re more than good to start a Hurricane Isaias outbreak article. This has been one of the most significant tropical outbreaks that I can remember. People are gonna try to push their agenda, but the event meets the criteria for an article. You have every right and reason to make one. I can’t make one right now because I’m at work, but I’ll definitely help you out once I’m free. Thanks!
TornadoInformation12 (talk) 20:14, 6 August 2020 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
Look at the following issue of Storm Data (October 1961). If data are missing for a given month, they appear in the succeeding issue. CapeVerdeWave (talk) 07:43, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
Hey, I saw your comments on Laura's talk page and I know its tough to see @Stub Mandrel:'s comments calling you foolish for updating the article, but don't let it get to you as they clearly did not know where to get the latest data from. Besides which the downgrade was tucked away in a TC update at 17z, rather than the intermediate advisory at 18z or a special advisory. As a result, I would strongly suggest that you take a deep breath, step back, improve another article and come back to Laura, when you are calmer.Jason Rees (talk) 22:24, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
@Jason Rees: Sorry about that...I feel better now. It's just that with all the vandalism on the page, I just found the comment inconsiderate, especially because I said why I did that in the description of my edit.ChessEric (talk) 22:40, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Your emotions are quite understandable as storms like Laura that go viral are the toughest to work as we get an influx of people who want to edit the page, keep it updated and add what they think is the right content. At the same time, our emotions as hurricane editors go all over the place, as we are naturally sad at the deaths and damage, we also feel proud that we are making one of the best articles on the hurricane out there and get angry when people add the wrong content or accuse us of adding the wrong content. However, one of the best things we can do is to talk to the users and educate them as to where the data has come from. Talking of which, I noticed that you only take content on TC's from the American warning centres (ie: NHC, CPHC and JTWC), however, don't forget to take content from the other RSMC's (ie: JMA, IMD, MFR, BoM, BMKG, PNG NWS, FMS and NZMS) where appropiate. :)Jason Rees (talk) 23:10, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Don't worry about remembering them all - there isnt a pop quiz and I seriously doubt @Hurricanehink: can. It also gets harder when you get to my level, where you have fingers in various pies.Jason Rees (talk) 23:41, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
@Jason Rees and ChessEric:, Yep, I know that feeling when working on Isaias's article, when people keep moving around the sections, saying that the original format (which I formatted, which worked well), was bad. Somewhere way down the edit history. Jason, I think we should give Laura's page indefinite semi-protection, since the current protection expires today, and the storm is still active. Laura is anyway gonna get retired, so like Dorian, Florence, Harvey, etc, should get indefinite semi-protection. ~Destroyeraa🌀00:17, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
Laura may get an additional spell of protection later but No article should be permanently semi'd because that defeats the point of Wikipedia ie: That anyone can edit it unless of course there is a lot of vandalism to the page. Jason Rees (talk) 06:35, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
ChessEric. Have you heard about Twinkle? It’s a great tool for extended-confirmed users who want to combat vandalism and get more into the administrative side of Wikipedia. It’s easy to use, and it has many functions such as Rollback, warning users, reporting vandalism, requesting page protection, requesting deletion of a page, etc. I know you get pissed off because of vandals, I do too, and Twinkle makes life easier when dealing with them. It’s easy to download, just go to your preferences page, click on Gadgets, and enable Twinkle. If you don’t want to install Twinkle, that’s ok too, though using these functions will allow you to get more experience, and will bring you closer to becoming an admin or getting rights. ~Destroyeraa🌀17:12, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
@Destroyeraa:Thanks for letting me know! I'm still a little new to everything though, so I don't know about the whole Twinkle thing. Plus, with college starting back up, I don't know if I can keep up the frequent editing to the point where I will need it. Still, I will CERTAINLY look into that in the future!ChessEric (talk) 02:31, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I was the one who suggested that @Hurricanehink: made you the MOTM as a thank you for your work on Laura. I wouldnt worry to much about the tools for vandalism or becoming an admin and just enjoy working on Wikipedia.Jason Rees (talk) 19:11, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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Storm of the month and other tropical activity for July
Hurricane Isaias caused widespread flooding and wind damage to the East Coast of the United States, spawning a destructive tornado outbreak and killing at least 18 people. Forming from a tropical wave near the Lesser Antilles on July 30, Isaias crossed Puerto Rico, Hispaniola, and parts of the Bahamas, before making its final landfall in Ocean Isle Beach, North Carolina. The storm proceeded up the East Coast, spawning 37 tornadoes and causing more than 3 million power outages, with more than half of them in New Jersey. Overall, Isaias caused a total of $4.2 billion in damage and 18 fatalities.
Atlantic - there were five named storms in the North Atlantic in July, tying the record set by 2005. In addition to Isaias, the first storm of the month was Tropical Storm Edouard, which formed near Bermuda and moved quickly across the north Atlantic. A few days later, Tropical Storm Fay became the first storm to hit New Jersey since 2011. Fay caused 6 fatalities and $400 million in damage. Short-lived Tropical Storm Gonzalo threatened the southern Lesser Antilles, but it dissipated while crossing into the Caribbean Sea. Hurricane Hanna formed in the Gulf of Mexico and rapidly intensified as it made landfall in Padre Island, Texas. The storm caused $500 million in damage and 5 fatalities. There was also a short-lived tropical depression near Cabo Verde.
Eastern Pacific - Tropical Storm Cristina nearly reached hurricane intensity as it moved to the southwest of Mexico, affecting Socorro Island. After two short-lived tropical depressions, Hurricane Douglas became the basin's first hurricane on July 23, which was the fourth-latest on record. Douglas would go on to strengthen into the season's first major hurricane, briefly attaining Category 4 status before weakening as it passed north of Hawaii. Damage in Hawaii was minor.
Western Pacific - For the first time on record, there were no tropical storms or typhoons during the month of July in the western Pacific. There were two nondeveloping tropical depressions during the month, as well as two tropical depressions in late July that would reach peak intensity in August. Tropical Storm Sinlaku formed on July 31 and made landfall in Vietnam, causing significant flooding and killing 6 people. Typhoon Hagupit formed east of the Philippines and later made landfall in Wenzhou, China, killing 12 and causing more than ¥2.858 billion (US$411 million) in damage.
ChessEric first joined Wikipedia in April of this year, and has quickly become a prolific weather editor. In addition to his work on tornado and severe weather articles, ChessEric helped write the bulk of the Hurricane Laura article (the storm of the month), in addition to making sure the article stayed free of vandalism, with 224 edits to the article as of this newsletter. ChessEric was one of 190 editors who worked on the Laura article. We thank ChessEric for his edits, and hope we can build on more collaborations in the future between the severe and the tropical cyclone Wikiprojects.
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A few weeks ago, I created an article, Hurricane Isaias, as it threatened much of the East Coast. I've created several articles already, but Isaias is one that stood out to me. First of all, it affected me, my town and my state of New Jersey, along with millions of other people. Two months ago, I learned about Wikipedia's In The News section of the main page, which documents recent events that are in the news. I nominated Isaias' article on August 1 here, and the discussion was closed quickly after Isaias had weakened significantly after impacting the Bahamas. As Isaias made landfall in the Carolinas, spawned 36+ tornadoes and killed 18 people, I re-nominated Isaias [1], got rejected again, and I learned a few lessons that I want to share to other editors:
When posting
If you post something that isn't in the news or isn't notable at all, then it would be quickly closed without much discussion.
Don't feel upset when someone opposes your nomination. It is almost guaranteed that someone will oppose your nomination.
Keep improving the article. An article that is a stub won't likely be posted.
When posting about a person, make sure the article complies with BLP policies, and is adequately referenced and well-written.
I also learned a few lessons about which tropical cyclones to post. In July, someone nominated Hurricane Hanna (2020)here, and it was also rejected because it didn't meet the notability requirements. Also, keep in mind that damage estimates and death reports often come out several days after the storm, which makes passing the nomination for a storm like Isaias, a storm that caused $4.2 billion and 18 deaths, somewhat hard.
My opinions on when to nominate an article (this list mainly refers to tropical cyclone articles)
The storm should affect more than two countries. However, if the storm causes a lot of death and destruction in one country (such as Tropical Storm Imelda), see the requirements below
The storm should cause more than $1 billion in damage. However, if the storm causes less destruction and less death, see the requirements below
The storm should cause at least 10 or 20 deaths. Most ITN nominations about a disaster that have less than 10 deaths are usually rejected/closed.
The storm should break at least 1 notable record (such as the deadliest storm to hit a country in 20 years, or something like that).
There is currently a discussion on the WPTC project page about this topic.
Around six months ago, I joined Wikipedia after seeing many articles on tropical cyclones and their seasons. Being someone who has studied (and been through) multiple storms, I realized I could help make a difference, bring more attention to tropical cyclones and that Wikipedia was the perfect place to do that. Soon after, I came across the WikiProject Tropical cyclones page, and after seeing what they did, I decided to sign my name and join the project. I really enjoyed how they gave to-do lists of tropical cyclone pages that needed work among other things. One of the great things about this WikiProject is the warm welcome I received when I joined and I got to know some of the more veteran editors, and they really helped me get around on Wikipedia, such as helpful tips and great advice to make better edits. As I have become comfortable editing and helping other users, some things came to mind that I thought other new users should know when they join the WPTC:
If you are new and have questions, don't be afraid to ask someone. There are plenty of helpful editors who know what they are doing, and who would be happy to give some great tips to get you used to editing weather articles on Wikipedia.
Don't be afraid to start editing. You can edit tropical cyclone pages as much as you want, just make sure you use the proper sources and citations.
Be kind. It is simply the Golden Rule, if you use it, others will too.
If you see something wrong, do something! If you see vandalism or any strange edits, make sure you revert them.
Help improve. There are plenty of tropical cyclone articles that need improvement and we need all the help we can get.
If you have any ideas but you're not sure if they would be right for an article, you can discuss them with fellow users on a talk page.
I am sure I missed some tips, but these are important for getting started with WPTC. This WikiProject has some amazing people and articles and I am sure new users (and veteran users as well) enjoy this as much as I do and will continue to make great edits as well as informative articles.
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Assessments valid as of this printing. Depending on when you may be viewing this newsletter, the table may be outdated. See here for the latest, most up to date statistics. As of this issue, there are 157 featured articles and 70 featured lists. There are 135 A-class articles, and 1,002 good articles. There are only 65 B-class articles, perhaps because because most articles of that quality already passed a GA review. There are 369 C-class articles, 736 start-class articles, and 151 stub-class articles, with 31 lists, and 8 current articles. These figures mean that slightly more than half of the project is rated a GA or better. Typhoon Warren was the 1000th GA in the project.
Storm of the month and other tropical activity for August
Hurricane Laura tied the 1856 Last Island hurricane as the strongest hurricane ever recorded to make landfall in the U.S state of Louisiana, as measured by maximum sustained winds. It moved across the Lesser and Greater Antilles as a tropical storm, killing 35 people on the island of Hispaniola due to flooding and landslides. Laura rapidly intensified once it reached the Gulf of Mexico, becoming a powerful Category 4 hurricane on August 26 with peak winds of 150 mph (240 km/h) early the next day. On August 27, Laura made landfall near Cameron, Louisiana at peak intensity, producing wind gusts of 137 mph (220 km/h) in Lake Charles, and leaving at least $8 billion in damage. Overall, Laura killed more than 57 people, with more missing.
Atlantic - the basin continued its record pace of activity. In the middle of the month, Tropical Storm Josephine formed east of the Lesser Antilles and eventually dissipated north of the islands. Tropical Storm Kyle originated off the east coast of the United States and moved to the east-northeast. Hurricane Marco formed in the Caribbean and briefly strengthened into a minimal hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico. For a few days, the NHC forecast back-to-back hurricane landfalls from Marco and Laura within two days of each other; however, Marco dissipated near the Louisiana coastline without causing significant damage. Toward the end of the month, Tropical Depression Fifteen formed off the southeastern United States.
Eastern Pacific - Hurricane Elida was the season's second hurricane, which brushed the Baja California Peninsula while moving northwestward. In the middle of the month, a series of storms formed, including a long-lived tropical depression, Tropical Storm Fausto, and Hurricane Genevieve, the last of which passed near the Baja California Peninsula. Genevieve killed two people, and its moisture spread into the southwestern United States. Toward the end of the month, Tropical Storm Hernan caused flooding and landslides in southwestern Mexico, and Iselle formed around the same time farther west over open water.
Western Pacific - after a quiet July, the basin became more active in August. Tropical Storm Jangmi brushed western Japan and South Korea with heavy rainfall. A short-lived tropical depression existed south of Japan. Severe Tropical Storm Mekkhala formed in the South China Sea and struck Guangdong, resulting in heavy rainfall and $154 million in damage. About a week later, Severe Tropical Storm Higos struck the same region, leaving eight deaths. Typhoon Bavi formed east of Taiwan and moved northward through the Yellow Sea, eventually striking North Korea, where it caused one fatality. Toward the end of the month, Typhoon Maysak formed east of Taiwan and followed a similar path to Bavi, becoming a powerful typhoon as it moved through the Ryukyu Islands. Another tropical depression formed between the Marianas Islands and Japan on August 31.
Project Goals & Progress
The following is the current progress on the three milestone goals set by the WikiProject as of this publishing. They can be found, updated, at the main WikiProject page.
I'm not overly familiar with this Tornado/meteorlogical event subject area to be honest, i just went down a rabbit-hole today and ended up patrolling through some pages on it. That being said i find it fascinating. Are you part of a Wikiproject here?
Below i've posted an example of how i'd make the prose more concise. I tried to keep significant points about the event but omitted what i felt were less important ones; i also dropped the word 'long-tracked' because it seemed like technical terminology to me. The most important thing is that you enjoy what you're writing, so if the style i'm presenting doesn't work for you, just ignore my suggestion! We've all got our own writing styles.
This skipping, but long-tracked, large F3 tornado first touched just west of Downtown Madsonville and immediately reached its peak intensity as it moved east-northeast into downtown. A three-story brick building lost its top two floors and two two-story brick buildings had extensive damage. Businesses, homes, and a church were also extensively damaged and trees and power lines were downed, an airplane was destroyed at the Madisonville Municipal Airport in nearby Anton, and cars were damaged by flying debris. All three injuries from this tornado occurred near or in town and losses totaled $2.5 million alone.
From Madisonville the tornado weakened and turned eastward, causing lesser, but still considerable damage as it hit Northern Millport as well as the towns of Bremen Station and Bremen. From there, it hit the town of Moorman, unroofing the Moorman High School gym, and destroying a small home. The tornado then moved directly through Centertown and on to Beaver Dam, causing more damage. Damage was also observed in Mt. Pleasant, Arnold, Dogwalk, and Neafus before finally dissipating in Peth.
Becoming:
An F3 tornado touched down west of downtown Madsonville, reaching peak intensity as it moved into that area. The resulting damage was extensive, totaling a value of $2.5 million and leaving three people injured.
As the tornado weakened it headed eastward, causing lesser, but still considerable damage to Northern Millport, Bremen station and Bremen. Further damage later occurred in several other towns, before the tornado dissipated in Peth.
@Zindor: I think I understand what your saying. For the lay person/reader, some of the details in the section may be too technical, overly exaggerated, or just TMI. LOL! That makes sense considering the terminology that meteorology uses. Now this came from a single tornado section, which is generally made for the exact purpose of being more detailed, so I'm hesitant to shorten it TOO much, but I see what your saying.
How's this:
This long-tracked, large F3 tornado touched down just west of Madisonville and immediately reached its peak intensity as it moved east-northeast into downtown. Multiple buildings and homes were extensively damaged, including a three-story brick building that lost its top two floors and two two-story brick buildings that had extensive damage. Trees and power lines were downed, an airplane was destroyed at the Madisonville Municipal Airport in nearby Anton, and cars were damaged by flying debris. All three injuries from this tornado occurred near or in town and losses totaled $2.5 million alone.
From Madisonville, the tornado weakened and turned eastward, causing lesser, but still considerable damage as it hit Northern Millport as well as the towns of Bremen Station and Bremen. From there, it began to skip as it hit the town of Moorman, unroofing the Moorman High School gym and destroying a small home. Damage was also observed in Centertown, Beaver Dam, Mt. Pleasant, Arnold, Dogwalk, and Neafus before the tornado finally dissipating in Peth.
By the way, I'm part of the WP:SVR, which specializes in the maintenance of severe weather pages. Since joining Wikipedia in April, most of my work has been on expanding the main tornado pages back to 1950 as well as make new outbreak pages, although I've been doing a host of other things as well. I also recently joined the WP:WPTC recently and was named member of the month in their newsletter. Anyway, thank you for your feedback!ChessEric (talk) 23:43, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Looks good. Thanks for the links. As i thought might be the case, your wiki-project has it's own notability criteria for articles Wikipedia:SEVERE/N. That will help me greatly in reviewing pages. Thanks Zindor (talk) 23:55, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Your welcome. I actually literally just asked Master of Time to update it because it is outdated, although it is more of a format thing then an information thing. Good luck to you in the future!ChessEric (talk) 00:20, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
You are always free to simply edit the redirect to work on your article if you're confident about publishing it quickly. Simply click the link after "Redirected from" and then edit that page (there should be "redirect=no" appended to the URL).
If not, you can use a draft. But always use WP:CSD#G6 to request for the removal of the redirect. Never link the draft namespace from a mainspace article. It doesn't save any work; once the permanent title is obtained for these articles, we still have to update the links.
[2]: WP:SHOUT does not look good, even in an edit summary.
You should take heed of these for all future editing. You're a very productive editor, but there are also conventions and guidelines to follow. Please let me know if you have any questions.--Jasper Deng(talk)05:00, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
The impact section I was still trying to get that fixed up. I was also trying to finish the introduction. What you did is like your friend telling you something then you spread it around without his permission. You should have asked me before you moved the page out of draft mode. Robloxsupersuperhappyface (talk) 16:09, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Ik that but you should have at least told me when you were gonna send it out of draft mode. So please give me a heads up next time you’re ready to move one of my pages out of draft. Thank you! Robloxsupersuperhappyface (talk) 17:53, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
@Robloxsupersuperhappyface: Alright, but in the future, if you want to make an article yourself, put on your page (i.e. User:Robloxsupersuperhappyface/Hurricane 3). Putting it in a draft means that it can be moved by anyone because it isn't under a specific person. If it were under your name, I wouldn't have moved it. Another thing is that Sally is clearly going to be a dangerous storm, so trying to hog it just so you can put in minor impacts to Florida doesn't really make sense. Besides, like I said before, you could've edited it whether it was in the draft or mainstream, so it doesn't really matter.ChessEric (talk) 18:26, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
For speedy deletion templates, you need to download Twinkle or manually do it. Downloading Twinkle is the easiest way to add speedy deletion of start a Deletion discussion. I really recommend you download Twinkle, just go to WP:TWINKLE and follow the steps there. ~Destroyeraa🌀15:04, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Waterspout
From the 4th shapefile (2nd red shapefile) on the posted link. [3]
Click "Text Data"
At 626 PM EDT, a radar indicated waterspout was located just offshore 6 miles south of Sanibel, 13 miles south of St. James City, or 17 miles southwest of Cape Coral, moving north at 20 mph.
Thanks for the clarification in whatever tone you see as fit. (Though I don't understand the language of stating SW Lee County when it's the barrier islands. I know that's the actual terminology but you can only explain something SW of SWFL for so much before you hit the Gulf.) – The Grid (talk) 21:53, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
@The Grid: Oh. Ok. Sorry about that! I was a little annoyed when I came back and saw some untrue statements on the current systems. I didn't know you just needed clarification. Please forgive me.ChessEric (talk) 22:01, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello ChessEric! I really appreciate your tireless updating of current storms and hurricanes. Great job! I see that you are sleepy and tired, probably from editing all the way to 1 or 2 AM. I suggest you take a break from editing and go take a short nap. You don't want to tire yourself out and be very groggy for the rest of the day! It's ok, other editors will cover you! Keep up your good work.~Destroyeraa🌀14:24, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
@Destroyeraa: Thanks! I missed getting the weather radar map from the exact time of landfall, which is disappointing, but I've been watching The Weather Channel, which is where I've been getting my info from. Indeed, I think I'm editing too much right now! LOL!ChessEric (talk) 14:35, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
@Destroyeraa: Hey. Random question. What's the "&-n-b-s-p-;" for? Been meaning to ask someone that.
ChessEric, the &-n-b-s-p-;, or "non-breaking space", is mainly used for numbers. Look, I am not a computer whiz, but all I know that it doesn't mess up the number space in some formats. It's just a backup, since sometimes 80 mph can come out as 80
mph, so the &-n-b-s-p-; is there to stop it from doing so.
Non-breaking space. It's for whenever you're viewing the article at any resolution or even through mobile, the number associated with the unit (like 75 mph; 13 million) does not get separated where the number is on one line and the unit is on the following line. This took a while for me to figure out and you'll begin to notice when editing articles. More info about it. – The Grid (talk) 01:22, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Also, I'm sorry for the Sally pic thing. You were right, UTC times can be annoying, especially when 4:00 UTC is midnight EDT and 11:00 CDT. However, Sally's eye was much better back then, and before landfall, you could see the eye filling up, and looking kinda track. LOL. ~Destroyeraa🌀22:35, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
@The Grid: And this is why I (mostly) appreciate talk page stalkers, though I don't want people stalking me in real life~Destroyeraa🌀14:40, 17 September 2020 (UTC).
Hi ChessEric! I suggest you create a draft about Teddy before making an article out of a redirect. Since Teddy isn't threatening land (at least for now) nor is it a record-breaking Category 5, a draft would be the best way to create the article. Just search Draft:Hurricane Teddy and then create it. Just copy-and-past the current article into the draft. Plus, you get credit for the article!! ~Destroyeraa🌀21:12, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
ChessEric, no there is no money. However, some newer editors think that when they promote an article to such high standards, they get to work for Wikipedia. In reality, Wikipedia is a non-profit organization. Sorry, no money for you.~Destroyeraa🌀22:08, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Go look at the history for the Teddy draft. I had to revert an IP who added improper humor to the article. ~Destroyeraa🌀22:17, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Autopatrolled doesnt matter tbh... I don't even have it. My first articles weren't the best and I am not ashamed to admit that. You learn stuff along the way as others help you to improve the articles. I will tell you that FA is a very high standard and quite time-consuming. Let me tell you that topics take a lot of time, but are well worth the effort.
I wasn't experienced when I started on this topic (it would be done already had I been). I am likely going to finish sometime during early to mid-2021. My goal is to get all of the articles to featured status. Another project member is doing the timeline. You guys could do something similar with 2020 AHS if you wanted to. You guys seem to enjoy editing articles for it. NoahTalk22:19, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
@Destroyeraa: OMG! I know it wasn't right, but that was absolutely hilarous! LOL! @Hurricane Noah: Gotcha! I need to go back to some of my earlier articles myself and update them as I can put more info in them I originally realized.ChessEric (talk) 22:23, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
ChessEric, Usually I get mad at vandals for doing such things. But this time, this IP got me cracked up at the joke. Instead of the typical vandalism warnings I give to vandals, I gave him a caution about improper humor. Plus, I looked through the IP's edit history - most of the edits weren't vandalism or disruptive. But still, name a hurricane after Teddy Roosevelt? LOL! ~Destroyeraa🌀22:48, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Just noticed something...After tornado season (unofficially ended), you went straight to helping out with hurricane season. Kinda gets boring in the Midwest and Tornado Alley after July. ~Destroyeraa🌀00:29, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
@Destroyeraa: True that. Even crazier thing was I wasn't really planning to; it just sort of happened. Updating tornado info was a whole lot less of a stress inducer than tropical cyclones, specifically because of how many edits come out for a hurricane season. An update comes out on a hurricane, and you got 30 people vying to update the page! LOL! Anyway, I'm still working on the expanding the main 1962, 1963, 1964, and 1965 tornado seasons, but I've devoted a lot of time to hurricanes now as well. Looking back, it was the combination of me adding in a radar loop and tornado impacts from Hanna, the tornado outbreaks from both Hurricane Isaias and Laura (also with radar loops), and just the sheer volume of work I had been doing to expand the main tornado pages back to 1950, which I've been doing since May. Needed a break, and with the tropics going crazy, it was just perfect timing, especially because right now, I'm working on an outbreak sequence from 1962 that I analyzed as lasting for 18 days and had 198 tornadoes...and I'm doing it by myself! LOL!ChessEric (talk) 00:49, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
I've seen from your edit history. I wish you the best of luck working on your sandbox. Also, you are right about 30+ people trying to add one (1!) update about a tropical cyclone. For example, when Sally's 1200Z update came out, people went crazy, along with Teddy's updates. Whenever a new TC forms, like 22L, there is a mess of 100+updates in less than 30 minutes.~Destroyeraa🌀01:16, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Are you and @Destroyeraa: aware of the ongoing effort for improving articles for the 2018 year? I didn't know if you guys would be interested in helping with it. NoahTalk21:28, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
@Destroyeraa: You have nothing to be sorry for. I was simply trying to see if you were interested. This whole project will take quite some time to complete. In fact, I won't even be finished with the EPAC portion until a few months into 2021 at the earliest (I want to get all of it to FA). I then have some articles I created/started to work on in the Atlantic (which will take a while). There is a discord for the 2018 part if you both would like to join and simply see what is going on. NoahTalk21:58, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Yo, can you link me the page that says that Alpha's minimum pressure was 996 mbar? Just curious because I wasn't able to find it. -MinMinnH (talk) 22:29, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
I moved Beta's page per the speedy deletion (I just received page mover rights today, right on time). Beta's about to make landfall. ~Destroyeraa🌀17:14, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
ChessEric, it wasn't ready yesterday because it didn't make landfall and there wasn't any report of damage. Now that Beta is gonna make landfall, I re-did the CSD. Then, shortly after that, I received a notice saying that I was granted page mover rights. Well that makes life easier, and I moved the page. ~Destroyeraa🌀20:16, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
LOL. I know. How did you nominate the redirect for deletion? I don't think you used Twinkle, so you must have copied the template. ~Destroyeraa🌀14:07, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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@Destroyeraa: Hey! Is it too late to make a short editorial article here? I have the time since I'm tired of seeing my favorite team getting destroyed on Monday Night Football. LOL!ChessEric (talk) 01:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Accuracy has always been one of my biggest sticking points when it comes to editing on Wikipedia. When I came here back in April, my first edit was a revert of misinformation on the 2020 Easter tornado outbreak article. Of course, I understand that as a newbie, I still have a lot to learn and I don't profess to know everything, even after I started several large projects that I will probably be working on for quite some time. My first tornado outbreak pages used only the [www.tornadohistoryproject.com Tornado History Projects] which, while generally good for tornado tracks, provides no damage info and if weren't for editors like CapeVerdeWave and Halls4521, my "breakthrough" articles would be so incomplete. However, I've been able to research more and more and find ways to complete these articles and that has carried over into the tropical cyclone projects as well. My thing has been is if I can't find a source for it, then it is not true. I will continue to follow that moto and hope that others will do the same.
Nice! Just make sure to properly link [www.tornadohistoryproject.com] (you need to add https://). Also, I don't consider you a newbie, and others don't either. In addition, "My thing has been is if" is need a "that" between is and if. Also, italicize the "I can't find a source for it, then it is not true." Finally, make sure moto is spelled "motto." ~Destroyeraa🌀00:27, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
@Destroyeraa: Thanks man! You can make those changes for me and add it in as I'm busy right now. Additionally, I hate that the THP site doesn't have the "http://" defaulted in its URL. So annoying when I site stuff and find that the link is messed up! LOL!ChessEric (talk·contribs) 02:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Yeah. You're welcome; LOL. I also just fixed your talk page (It was my mistake, the template malfunctioned) and greatly expanded Hurricane Teddy. ~Destroyeraa🌀00:36, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Gamma
I know it's frustrating, but please still refrain from making personal attacks at even groups of people on Tropical Storm Gamma. (What was this written by!? A 5-year-old!?). And do refrain from swearing too. I'm laughing at your edit summary. LOL! ~Destroyeraa🌀02:18, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
It’s ok, since you and Robloxsupersuperhappyface resolved it. But this is exactly why you don’t want to make attacks even if it not directed at a specific user, since a user looking through the revision history will know you’re talking about him/her. To be honest, I get pissed too when my draft gets replaced, but I recently began focusing more on improving older articles (Teddy for example). ~Destroyeraa🌀23:17, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
@Destroyeraa: Oh, I wasn't upset by my article being replaced since it happens (I'll probably just use it for something else). I was upset because the article was written so poorly and I had to correct and fix so much of it. By the way I nominate either you or Robloxsupersuperhappyface as the member of the month.ChessEric (talk·contribs) 02:38, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Just saw your comment. Thanks for nominating me! I don't know where you nominated me or Robloxsupersuperhappyface though...~Destroyeraa🌀22:59, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. LizRead!Talk!14:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
@SMB99thx: Oh. Thanks bro. I had just put in some edits so the article wasn't removed since the photo in the article was deleted and there was nothing else there but that.ChessEric (talk·contribs) 17:29, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
The Hurricane Herald is the semi-regular newsletter of WikiProject Tropical Cyclones. The newsletter aims to provide in summary the recent activities and developments of the WikiProject, in addition to global tropical cyclone activity. The Hurricane Herald has been running since its first edition ran on June 4, 2006. If you wish to receive or discontinue subscription to this newsletter, please visit the mailing list. This issue of The Hurricane Herald covers all project related events from September 1–October 5, 2020, which is the 15th anniversary of the WPTC. This edition's editors and authors are ChessEric, Chicdat, Destroyeraa, Hurricanehink, and our member of the month, SMB99thx!
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As we rapidly approach the 15th anniversary of the project in October, it has been proposed that the Climate, Tropical cyclone, Severe Weather, and Non-tropical storms (defunct) wikiprojects get merged into a single project: Wikipedia:WikiProject Weather. This brand new project would remove the overlap that exists between the projects. It provide us with a better opportunity to develop articles such as List of named storms A, B, C etc; Tornadoes in Fiji/New Zealand/Hawaii/etc; Floods in 2018, 2019, 2020, etc; Floods in Bangladesh/United States/Egypt, etc; Weather of 1997, 1998, 2020, etc; Weather in Tokelau/South Africa/France, etc; Hurricanes in the United States, Hurricanes in Mexico, Typhoons in China, etc. The discussion continues on WP:Meteorology. Any feedback would be appreciated.
A series of goals, proposed for the project, has been extended to January 2021 for Wikipedia's 20th anniversary. Goals include tropical cyclone effects for every location around the world, merging the hundreds of disambiguation articles into lists by letter, and featured topics for every list of retired names. Some of these goals might take another 20 years to complete, but some are doable with some sustained effort.
Hurricane Noah announced an initiative to get a featured topic for the year of 2018 with complete subtopics. The Eastern Pacific portion is very close to achieving a featured topic, and the Atlantic and North Indian Ocean are around a B-class average. The Western Pacific, Southern Hemisphere, and the global article for 2018 need your help! A lot of work is needed to get those three items up to par. For more information on which articles need specifically, please check out the project talk page. Getting a featured topic for an entire year would be an impressive feat for our project.
20th Anniversary push: some goals for the 20th year of Wikipedia (January 15, 2021!) include the creation or improvement of many other articles listed in the first section on the WPTC talk page.
Storm of the month and other tropical activity for September (and the first 5 days of October)
Ianos, was a Mediterranean tropical-like cyclone, also known as a Medicane. The Mediterranean isn't officially a tropical cyclone basin, so there aren't any official intensity estimates for the storm. The system originated from a low pressure area north of Libya, and it developed organized convection while moving northeastward. On September 18, Ianos struck the Greek island of Cephalonia, and later moved across the Greek mainland. The World Meteorological Organization mentioned the medicane and its similarities to tropical cyclones. Although these medicanes are unofficial, Wikipedia covers them like other tropical cyclones, using the same reliable sources and news articles to document the event. As Ianos was created, not many users edited it, as coverage of tropical cyclones and storms outside of main development regions are, unfortunately, low. However, as Ianos was nominated and posted at ITN, a current news section on the main page, many users outside of the TC WikiProject began working on it, As these storms are becoming more common and better documented, these storms may be officially classified in the future.
Atlantic - September 2020 was the most active month on record in the Atlantic, with nine named storms forming, as well as Omar which formed on August 31 but was named a day later. Nana formed on September 1, rapidly intensifying into a minimal hurricane before making landfall in Belize. After a short lull in activity, Paulette and Rene both formed on the 7th, with the former intensifying into a strong Category 1 hurricane while making a rare landfall in Bermuda. The latter made landfall in the Cabo Verde Islands, causing minimal damage. Hurricane Sally had its origins over the Bahamas, and after stalling in the northern Gulf of Mexico it struck Alabama, dropping 36 in (910 mm) of rainfall on the Florida Panhandle; Sally left about $7 billion in damage and three deaths. On September 12, Hurricane Teddy formed, which grew into a powerful Category 4 hurricane, and later swept across Atlantic Canada. Near the Cape Verde Islands, Tropical Storm Vicky formed on September 14, and four days later, Wilfred formed in the same region. Tropical Storm Beta formed in the Gulf of Mexico on September 17 ahead of Wilfred and Alpha, and later brought heavy rainfall to Texas. A day later, Subtropical Storm Alpha formed near the coast of Portugal, marking only the second time that the Atlantic hurricane naming list was exhausted, thus requiring the usage of the Greek alphabet for names. Beta also formed, though before both Wilfred and Alpha. Beta would hit Texas and Louisiana with moderate flooding and kill one person.
Eastern Pacific - The month of September was not very active. Tropical Storm Julio formed from the mid-level circulation of Hurricane Nana in the Atlantic on September 4; however it stayed weak due to wind shear. In mid-September, tropical storms Karina and Lowell formed southwest of Mexico and were short-lived tropical storms. Toward the end of the month, Marie formed, becoming a hurricane on the last day of the month. Marie would later go on to be the current strongest storm of the EPAC season this year.
Western Pacific - The month of September was fairly active for the WPAC. Typhoon Maysak, which formed in late August, struck South Korea early in the month, followed days later by Typhoon Haishen, which became the season's first super typhoon. Haishen caused 4 fatalities and heavy damage in the Korean Peninsula. Later, Tropical Storm Noul formed on September 17, hitting Vietnam and causing 6 deaths and $30.4 million in damage. Later, Dolphin formed on the 19th, brushing Japan. Toward the end of the month, Tropical Storm Kujira formed northeast of the Marianas Islands.
SMB99thx first joined Wikipedia in 2013, but didn't officially join the WPTC until August 2020. Since then, they have been a prolific contributor, helping with less visible pages such as project talk pages, or splitting older season articles in the North Indian Ocean and the Western Pacific. They are a such a tireless contributor and kind user, who appreciates others' contributions while being humble about their own. It was SMB99thx who gave barnstars along with kind and encouraging messages to countless other WPTC contributors and Wikipedians. SMB99thx also worked on several lists, including area affects lists, various drafts, and List of named storms (T). We'll take that T and say TY to SMB99thx for all of their contributions, and wish them luck at college.
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How WikiProject Tropical cyclones should move forward by SMB99thx
As we have seen in the month of August and September, there is a surge of new articles. Most of these new articles are season/decade articles and Pacific typhoon articles, and most of these articles are assessed by me as either Start-class or Stub-class. These articles I believe would have been rejected by WikiProject Tropical cyclones in the earlier years (especially 2008-2012) - and these reflected the changes in WikiProject Tropical cyclones after I joined in July 2020.
In order to counteract that surge of Start-class and Stub-class articles in recent months, I have been closely working on the Article requests page (used to be a primary contributor of the surge that happened in August and September), trying to make this recently-extended WikiProject 15th anniversary as some serious effort as well as revamping WikiProject To-Do (and completing some, but not all tasks) - and the results of my work on these three projects led into the explosive growth of the WikiProject Tropical cyclones draftspace (I tried to prevent this by publishing the half-finished drafts into mainspace (which is primarily composed of C-class with some speck of Start-class articles coming out of it, and these are the ones that aren't as obviously unfinished like Draft:Effects of Hurricane Dorian on the Mainland United States), and made several drafts on articles that are not considered notable like Draft:Hurricane Barbara (2019) into redirects or deleted, but there is less kinds of these drafts now) as well as discovery of several drafts that isn't done by this point or are not listed as part of WikiProject Tropical cyclones. These drafts are later linked to the Article requests page. I don't my work is done yet, and in order to consider that effectively done, I need to get these drafts done and submitted as C-class or higher.
However, there is a personal problem I had to face in order to getting this work done when I'm still new to WikiProject Tropical cyclones. Article creation from drafts are not my strength. I create articles mostly from splits, not from drafts. As such, I consider article creation from drafts to be personally tedious work. As our 15th anniversary gets near, it appears that things are changing. As the draft space exploded, it appears fellow WikiProject Tropical cyclones are helping me out in getting these drafts complete, especially Destroyeraa (helping me out in deciding which drafts can pass the cut), ChessEric (working on Draft:Tropical Storm Noul (2020)), Robloxsupersuperhappyface (for developing current events articles, alongside ChessEric), I like hurricanes (Tropical cyclone lists), Chicdat (for the work on Tropical cyclones in 2002 and will probably work on others), Janm 7 (for working on Tropical cyclones in 2011 and 2003), and Iseriously (for useful season summaries, and this isn't a WPTC member!). I also began to frequently give out barnstars to these hard-working people like Jason Rees and Hurricanehink.
These events led me to believe that, if this WikiProject has to move forward then in my opinion this WikiProject should:
Take things in Article requests, WikiProject To-Do, WikiProject Tropical cyclones draftspace and WPTC 15th anniversary push (now extended into January 15th, 2021) seriously. I have seen some serious neglect from this area of the WikiProject and i believe this really held back the growth of this WikiProject. In my opinion, this WikiProject could have been easily have 2500 articles, or even 3000 articles by now if that area of WikiProject had been taken seriously. Even possibly, this WikiProject could have a lot more quality articles than it is today!
Frequently collaborate with each other. Don't bite the newcomers, but help them! They will help you.
If someone wants to take a break, e.g. Yellow Evan, let them be. Don't hurt their feelings! (i.e. moving their userspace drafts into mainspace) If you are hurting their feelings, then this could discourage future collaborations that could advance this WikiProject.
Thanks for reading this opinion piece! And happy 15th anniversary, WikiProject Tropical cyclones!
OPINION PIECE - by ChessEric
Accuracy has always been one of my biggest sticking points when it comes to editing on Wikipedia. When I came here back in April, my first edit was a revert of misinformation on the 2020 Easter tornado outbreak article. Of course, I understand that as a relatively new user, I still have a lot to learn and I don't profess to know everything, even after I started several large projects that I will probably be working on for quite some time. My first tornado outbreak pages used only the Tornado History Projects which, while generally good for tornado tracks, provides no damage info and if weren't for editors like CapeVerdeWave and Halls4521, my "breakthrough" articles would be so incomplete. However, I've been able to research more and more and find ways to complete these articles and that has carried over into the tropical cyclone projects as well. My thing has always been is that If I can't find a source for it, then it's not true. I will continue to follow that motto and hope that others will do the same.
Current assessment table
Assessments valid as of this printing. Depending on when you may be viewing this newsletter, the table may be outdated. See here for the latest, most up to date statistics. As of this issue, there are 157 featured articles and 70 featured lists. There are 135 A-class articles, and 1,002 good articles. There are only 65 B-class articles, perhaps because because most articles of that quality already passed a GA review. There are 369 C-class articles, 736 start-class articles, and 151 stub-class articles, with 31 lists, and 8 current articles. These figures mean that slightly more than half of the project is rated a GA or better. Typhoon Warren was the 1000th GA in the project.
WikiProject Tropical cyclones was founded on October 5, 2005. By that time, Wikipedia had its small share of articles, including the four deadly hurricanes that hit the United States in 2004. The hyperactive 2005 Atlantic hurricane season featured a series of deadly and historic hurricanes, the first of which was Hurricane Dennis. This is how the article looked on 10/5/05. It might not look like much, considering how much larger storm articles tend to be today. However, Dennis quickly became a featured article by February 2006. Its quality showed a marked improvement from the 2004 hurricanes. For comparison, here is what Hurricane Charley looked like on 10/5/05, with barely any references, no preparations, no aftermath, and one sentence worth of impact for a location with $1 billion in damage.
The busy 2005 season featured Hurricane Katrina, and in the aftermath of the storm, dozens of articles related to the hurricane were created. Some still exist, such as Katrina refrigerator, Memorial Medical Center and Hurricane Katrina, and Effect of Hurricane Katrina on the Louisiana Superdome. I don't know if those hyper-specific articles would be created today, and many of these old articles are still of low quality. On the other hand, one of the most notable changes since 2005 is the improvement in articles throughout Wikipedia, both new and old. Every Atlantic season from 1945 to 2019 is a good article, and all but 31 seasons since 1851 are a good article. More impressive is how much other basins around the world have improved. As of June 2006 (the oldest date for our assessment tables), the EPAC only had articles back to 1970, WPAC with yearly articles back to 1945 (with a rump article for everything beforehand - there are now decade articles going back to 1850), and the NIO only had one yearly season article (with five-yearly articles going back to 1980, and one rump article for everything beforehand), with only six storm articles. There are now yearly NIO articles going back to 1960. Also as of June 2006, all SHEM storms were put into yearly articles going back to 1995, with three five-yearly articles going back to 1980, and then one article for everything beforehand. The SHEM is now split into its three sub-basins (plus a distinct article for SATL storms), with yearly articles back to 1970. There are also now yearly articles for tropical cyclones back to 2009.
15 years might not feel like much, or for some of you it's an entire lifetime. Users should be reminded of eventualism, in work will improve over time, especially with sustained editor attention. There are now over 2,000 articles in the project, versus less than 500 15 years ago, or 1000 10 years ago, or 1500 13 years ago. The project's growth hasn't always been even, but it has trended toward inclusion, with hundreds of articles that are the best resources available anywhere on a given storm/season/topic. As Mother Nature throws us hyperactive seasons, it will be difficult, but not impossible, to keep up with the annual cycle of tropical cyclone activity, so the world can remain informed of these swirling furies.
Project Goals & Progress
The following is the current progress on the three milestone goals set by the WikiProject as of this publishing. They can be found, updated, at the main WikiProject page.
We have channels for WPTC and the 2018 Featured topic if you would want to be able to communicate with people easier. NoahTalk01:28, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
I don't really tend to focus on new storms much anymore... I really haven't since 2019. most of my work tends to not get much notice as it is either on older storms or behind the scenes. If you would like to add me, I am Noah#2278. NoahTalk01:38, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Gotcha man and thank you! I actually meant I'm busy in real life. Got a 20 page paper due tomorrow and I only got 10 pages done. Just keep typing and typing and seemingly making no progress. LOL!ChessEric (talk·contribs) 01:42, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
I will think about it.... As for ChessEric, keep up the good work! Now I think I'm about ready to retire for the evening. The GAN for Barry really took a lot out of me today. NoahTalk03:45, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Refresh Link
Hello, I want to apologize for using the text refresh NHC link for the reference, I am not trying to get on your nerves. I have been trying to fix the links whenever I do them so that it is a better reference, but I can't seem to get it right.... I truly don't mean to get on your nerves, I am just trying to edit, but I don't know the correct way to put the reference in. I take full responsibility as I was the primary editor on the main page throughout the night as I was trying to keep the information on Delta up-to date, and so I added a few of the refresh links. 🌀Weatherman27🌀 (talk). 17:25, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
@Weatherman27: I completely understand what you are saying, so don't worry about it. It's probably not the best time for me to answer you since I'm in a really pissy mood right now, but I will say this; it happens. Its just the fact that I've had to fix ALMOST EVERY STORM THIS YEAR because they all had the same problem and no one else seems to be addressing, but me. That's why I was upset. I understand that you didn't know; I just wish I wasn't the only one fixing the same mistake again and again, although I guess that's what I get for editing as often as I do. LOL!ChessEric (talk·contribs) 19:52, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Lol, I will try and get better at using the correct references for the storms, so that maybe you can have at least another person who can fix them so that you don't have to do as many. Sorry, to hear that you're not feeling great, hope things get better.🌀Weatherman27🌀 (talk). 19:58, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
I am unregistered user can you protect Delta from vandals I see that you and Destroyer aa fight vandals along with Light and Dark and others. Can you protect the page? Thank you so much.71.172.254.114 (talk) 20:12, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
@71.172.254.114: I can't do that because I'm not an admin, but I'm sure they are already working on that after that BS.ChessEric (talk·contribs) 20:15, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
ChessEric, so I leave for two hours and Wikipedia explodes. That same good-faith IP-71.something-asked me on my talk page why he can’t edit the page. That’s the downside of semi-protection. However, I see that the super evil vandal returned. If it was me, I would’ve went to Report him immediately - since it was evidently an IP hopper. ~Destroyeraa🌀21:02, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
@Destroyeraa: I was thinking more along the lines of crazy, but nonetheless, what happened there was plain-out just stupid. There was even unlogged editor who was trying to help us out. It was just dumb, annoying, and stupid and I got really ticked off. The only reason why I wasn't name calling was because I was too busy reverting and my laptop wouldn't load the page when I was reverting. I mean, this dude was just waiting for the revert so he could autorevert back to his BS. I've always wondered what people get out of being an asshole like that on Wikipedia. Most people dog Wikipedia for being inaccurate so what's the point of coming on if your just going to do that and get blocked anyway? Also, we have sandboxes and there are hypothetical pages on other sites where you can just make up stuff and do whatever you want! It just baffles me! I feel bad for 71.172.254.114 because he/she was one of the people trying to help us out, but at the same time, it is just unbelievable that we have to go this far with so of the yahoos.ChessEric (talk·contribs) 22:29, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Even with Twinkle, I still ran into edit conflicts in the first incident. People are like that on Wikipedia, and I have met some worse vandals than that (vandals that don't just revert your edits, but either hijack pages or cuss at you). It is annoying, and I do feel bad for that IP - 71.172.254.114. The IP was just trying to help, but felt dejected (or bitten) that he/she wasn't allowed to edit either. I think the IP doesn't know about requested edits or semi-confirmed page protection, since looking at the IP's edits, there aren't a lot of contribs. ~Destroyeraa🌀22:46, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
And the poor IP's user page just got vandalized: [4]
Hi, thanks for the second revert there - the WP system actually didn't alert me to the first, otherwise I would have caught on to your idea (which I guess is that the first line of the lede will soon change almost completely). 'United States' must surely be a case of overlinking, though. Best wishes, Harfarhs (talk) 06:23, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
@Harfarhs: Yeah. I'm relatively new here, but have quickly becoming established on this site and like trying new things to try to make it better. That was the point of what I did. Thanks for your feedback!ChessEric (talk·contribs) 13:17, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I'd like to ask you some help about copyright pictures
I've seen you added an image of the Joplin 2011 tornado and it gave me an idea to add an image of the actual tornado on the Hackleburg 2011 and the Tuscaloosa 2011 tornado pages, becouse they had debris damage as front page, not a single image about the tornado itself. I've done it nicely, sadly the images will probably get removed after a week becouse I have no confirmation that I can use those images. The one you used on the Joplin page is clearly from a video on youtube I saw a while ago, how did you manage to get the image accepted? Sorry for stupid question, I'm very new to editing on wikipedia. Thanks in advance :)
Actually, those images came directly from the individual NWS offices on weather.gov. Once the images go there, they become public domain, so you shouldn't have to about copyright. For example, the Joplin tornado pic came from the NWS Springfield page of the tornado. Its a shame that many other tornadoes are not like this, but when they are there, I do take advantage of it. I hope that helps!ChessEric (talk·contribs) 15:26, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Hurricane Leslie
Concerning the statement about extratropical cyclones and sustained hurricane force winds...unless I am totally off about something, it's pretty rare to have extratropical cyclones featuring sustained winds of 75 mph or greater, which constitute hurricane force winds. That is what this storm did. Just to be clear, we're talking about sustained winds, not peak wind gusts. G. Capo (talk) 22:52, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
It is necessary to include that. I mentioned that as a record for the season-Destroyeraa claimed it was in the article, if it isn’t, this would mean I’d support the article. Please just leave it. --67.85.37.186 (talk) 21:27, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
We can still keep it as a draft, @Knowledgekid87:. I kept it as a draft and re-added the information. Don't move it to mainspace or redirect it without notifying everyone and/or gaining consensus.~Destroyeraa🌀13:31, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Hey. Just wanted to put my view on your edit summaries. They seem very WP:BITEy to me (on my watchlist). If you could, I'd appreciate you to keep your summaries a little lower key. That make sense? Instead of ...just why?, maybe something like copyedit.
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