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Two of your three recent reverts are to re-include information for which there is no consensus to include. The "redirect to cigarette smoke tag" and the propylene oxide issue. I would appreciate it if you would self revert and seek consensus per policy SPACKlick (talk) 19:44, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:NOCON for discussions lacking consensus on additions, undo your tendentious revert and make a reasoned argument in the discussion if there is any reason to include the hatnote. SPACKlick (talk) 17:19, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Domestic violence against men. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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WikiProject Anatomy Newsletter #4

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Released: 1 July, 2015

Editor: Tom (LT)

Hello WikiProject Anatomy participant! This is the fourth update, documenting what's going on in WikiProject Anatomy, news, current projects and other items of interest. We've had a quiet time over the last half-year or so, so I've slowed down the release of this newsletter and will probably release the next one around the end of the year. If you'd like to provide some feedback, if you think I've missed something, or don't wish to receive this again, please leave a note on my talkpage or remove your name from the mailing list

What's new

• A related WikiProject is formed, WikiProject Women's health
• Cerebellum, promoted in 2006, receives a long overdue featured article review
• Heart and Glomerulus receive a peer review
• Our article base explodes from about 10,000 to 12,775, with most new articles being redirects.
• Sympathetic nervous system, Autonomic nervous system and Parasympathetic nervous system all receive significant makeover, and cry out for more attention!

What's going on

• Should Vermiform appendix be retitled to its more common name (Appendix)? The discussion continues!
• A large number of "back end" changes are made, and integration with Wikidata continues -- see the focus for more.
• Our set of cranial nerve-related articles receive a review by a subject expert

How can I contribute?

• If you're interested in a topic area, let other editors know by creating a 'drive' in that area
• Continue to reword articles in language lay readers can understand
• Search Wikimedia commons for high-quality coloured images that can be used to replace some of our older, lower quality images.
• Don't forget that anatomy isn't always about gross anatomy! A number of other fields, including articles about embryology and histology ("microanatomy") cry out for attention.

Issue focus - technical changes

This issue was originally going to focus on how far we've come as a project. However, that encouraging news can wait until next issue, as there are simply too many changes going on at the "back end" of our project not to write about. What do I mean by "back end"? I mean changes that are not necessarily visible to readers, but may have a significant impact on the way we edit or on future edits.

Templates

A number of visible changes have been made to our templates. Firstly, the way our templates have been linked together has changed. Previously, this was a small bar with single-letter links. This has been replaced by a light-coloured box contained within all our templates with fully-worded links, which provides links to relevant anatomy and medical templates. This should make life a lot easier, particularly for students and other readers who are struggling with the vastness of anatomical systems and their related diseases and treatments.

As part of this, almost all our templates have been reviewed and cleaned up. The previously confusing colour scheme has been removed and colour standardised. The titles have been simplified. References to "identifiers" in the titles of navigation boxes (such as Gray's Anatomy and Terminologia Anatomica numbers) have been removed. Where possible, the wiki-code of templates has been updated to give a cleaner, more standardised, format that is hopefully more friendly to new editors. The cleanup continues , please feel free to contribute or propose templates which need attention.

Anatomy infobox

Most of our articles have an infobox. Previously, there were 11 separate infoboxes for different fields, such as muscles, nerves and embryology. These have been united so that at the "back end", every template will take formatting directly from the main anatomy infobox -- however at the "front end", there is little difference for readers. This will make future changes much easier -- including adding new fields, formatting, and reordering the contents. Several changes have already been made: infoboxes now link to a relevant anatomical terminology article; contents are now divided into 'Identifiers' and 'Details' headings, making it easier to grasp content for new readers; and new fields have been added, including Greek and UBERON, with several more under discussion.

External links

An editor has reviewed all our template-based external links. These are the links that often fill the "External links" category, and sometimes used as citations. At least thirty different links sets, with the number of links stretching into the thousands, have been fixed, and if not functioning, deleted. A number of non-functioning dead links (with no archived websites available), and one or two others, have been deleted. This helps keep our 'external links' section relevant and functioning for those readers who want extra information about articles.

Wikidata

Perhaps our most important change has been integration with Wikidata. This is because of both its current uses and potential future uses. Wikidata is a service related to Wikipedia focusing on storing information. Data relating to a Wikipedia item (such as a muscle or bone, or even a template) can have related "structured" infomation stored systematically alongside it. For example, a muscle can have information about its embryological origin, nerve supply, and the relevant sections of Terminologica Anatomica (TA) stored alongside it. Much information that was stored within articles on infoboxes is now stored on Wikidata, including the TA, TH, and TE fields. An immediate benefit is that Wikipedias in every language will (as they update their own infoboxes, be able to automatically include this information. New data can be entered in a much easier format, and data can be batch entered by bots making future updates much easier Future uses include data visualisation. I personally am looking forward to the day when a reader can view a wikidata-based "tree", clicking mesoderm and seeing all of the derived structures, then selecting the intermediate mesoderm, then Pronephric duct, mesonephric duct and vas deferens. The possibilities of using Wikidata for data visualisation are really quite encouraging!

Our next issue will focus on how far WikiProject Anatomy has come in the past 2 years.

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Hi, CFCF - am trying to make changes following page moves, to the neurocranium template - but it just redirects to cranium template..?? Thanks --Iztwoz (talk) 09:42, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Iztwoz! Rather, the cranium template redirects to the neurocranium template. There isn't really a proper cranium template, and I moved it because I wasn't able to delete it. A cranium template should include both neuro- and viscerocranium, but there isn't even a Template:Viscerocranium. All this was lost in my endless todo-list and I would create a cranium template later on. Could you enlighten me in what you want done and maybe I can help you better? -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 10:04, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

When you try to edit the neurocranium template it takes you to cranium template redirect page. The three groupings of Squama need to be changed to Squamous parts.--Iztwoz (talk) 10:11, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Have just looked and the page for viscerocranium is entered as Facial skeleton for which there is a template. Maybe this could be added to Cranium template ? --Iztwoz (talk) 10:16, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Done! I'll try and find time to fix the templates. I think if we add both viscerocranium and neurocranium in full to the template it'll be too large, so I'll try to make a slightly smaller overbearing template. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 12:50, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just to say the headings need to be singular Squamous part. cheers --Iztwoz (talk) 22:08, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Per your response, what are your suggestions for what I should add? I'm no expert; just have an interest in neuroanatomy and Wikipedia. You suggested Cranial nerves' "set" of articles, but that sounds rather broad, since there are 12 (and many branches). Is there any particular/more specific area you suggest I begin? Bush6984 (talk) 22:05, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Bush6984, sorry for the late reply! Some of the easier nerves to work on might be the Hypoglossal nerve or the Abducens nerve. Both those articles are in dire need of expansion, and the nerves have pretty limited functions, so if you have an anatomy book you could work rewriting some of that text. Otherwise there is a great source at [1] that is CC-BY (so copying text is allowed as long as you properly attribute it). If you feel these articles are a little to difficult there are many others, so just message me here and I can try to find something else that needs work. If you find any review articles on pubmed you don't have access to just send me an e-mail and I'll see what I can do. Best, -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 09:50, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for expanding Tom Catena, but did you write this sentence correctly? It does not make sense to me: "While not expressively forbidden, since at least 2012 relief is in practice permitted and volunteers are not allowed into the region." 76.11.104.7 (talk) 17:45, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing that out, I fixed it. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 17:49, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I was actually filing a ANI report for a second opinion here when I got your message (I've screwed these things up before, so if I have any doubts about an action taken a second opinion is almost always the first thing I ask for). I assumed that no discussion = no consensus, but I am willing to drop to the protection and find someone to revert (I'm at my 3 :) if that better serves the interest of the project. TomStar81 (Talk) 09:23, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

TomStar81. Upon removing the protection I will then file a move discussion for the page. Normally I find these discussions to be a waste of time as what will likely happen is noone will reply for a month and then the page will be moved anyway. Thanks for your reply. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 09:25, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Its lifted. My apologies, I caught this on RC patrol and since it was a massive removal of text I assumed the worst. That is the fundamental problem of RC patrolling: it usually requires a leap without a long look. I apologize for any inconvenience, having had moment to catch my breath and actually look into this I see that this was not a drive by deletion or a vandal only account. The only problems here were a lack of play call on your part and over-eagerness to use my trigger finger on this end. That having been said, this is still an error on my part. If your feel the need to report this (or trout me) then I understand and will support your decision; after all, administrators be thou for the editors, and when the power is abused the abusing party must be held accountable. TomStar81 (Talk) 09:31, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

TomStar81 I similarly overreacted, but the lack of any type of description and a near instant revert makes one wary. Lets hope that if our paths cross again it will be on friendlier terms. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 09:45, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

		The Barnstar of Diplomacy
		Well, we managed to solve this problem with words and good deeds instead of ANI reports and edit warring and all that jazz, so I'd call that a victory for both us and the encyclopedia. Given that fact, I'd say you've earned this Barnstar of Diplomacy. Enjoy! :) Sincerely, TomStar81 (Talk) 09:50, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Two of your three recent reverts are to re-include information for which there is no consensus to include. The "redirect to cigarette smoke tag" and the propylene oxide issue. I would appreciate it if you would self revert and seek consensus per policy SPACKlick (talk) 19:44, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic Electronic cigarette. Thank you. SPACKlick (talk) 20:51, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Hello CFCF:

This week's voting for TAFI's upcoming weekly collaborations has begun at Week 31 of 2015. Thanks for participating!

I was just wondering if we should give editors more time to answer at wikiproject med, I noticed you archived a few post [2] ?..--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:56, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Hello CFCF:

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You might like to rethink this edit. The article was updated a few days ago after the thepiratebay.am was put on hold.[3] As for "I'm sorry but consensus seems pretty clear" in your edit summary, I don't see consensus either way. That doesn't preclude listing all of the domains, it was just something I thought needed addressing. --AussieLegend (✉) 00:03, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Responding on talk page. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 00:04, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be best if you have you take a break from editing The Pirate Bay. You've been edit-warring for over a month, ignoring both the talk page and ELN discussions during that time. Alternatively, I ask you to revert to the state you found the article in before you started edit-warring, and try to get some consensus for something different. --Ronz (talk) 15:20, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ronz, noted. I will step aside, leaving the question up to the community to decide. I realize I feel strongly for the notion of WP:NOTCENSORED here in addition to considering it WP:OR to arbitrarily chose one link to display, but having put my points across I will respect any community decision as long as it has been discussed respecting WP:BRD. Right now it seems to still be very controversial. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 15:29, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. You have a really good point, and I'd like to see more discussion about it. As I pointed out, the discussions focused on the legal aspects of linking any of the sites, and so didn't address the other issues well if at all. --Ronz (talk) 15:34, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It might be best not to keep claiming that there was long standing consensus. Consensus can change, often because prior consensus did not take relevant policies/guidelines into consideration. Further, there's certainly no consensus since June. --Ronz (talk) 01:18, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And you're back to edit-warring again. At this point, I'm sorry I didn't file a edit-warring complaint about you earlier. Can you please stop? It's pretty clear at this point that the links stay out, and it's doubtful there will be consensus to include even one given what's happened. --Ronz (talk) 00:13, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings CFCF! I noticed you reverted my recent edit to Phantom limb. Can you explain what you disagree with in my edit? I can see how the paragraph in question seemed contradictory before, but the way I've rephrased it would seem to rectify it. What are your thoughts on the issue? Best wishes, Tigercompanion25 (talk) 23:33, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

First of all it is a primary source (see WP:MEDRS), and secondly you don't seem to grasp the subject matter. The nervous system includes the brain. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 23:40, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, understood. No need to make it personal ("you don't seem to grasp the subject matter"). You can just state your piece on the edit without conjecturing about me. Tigercompanion25 (talk) 23:46, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Paracetamol, you may be blocked from editing. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 04:10, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, so I add two interesting and important new, relevant references to an article which indicates potential harm to pregnant women on the Paracetamol page. These are removed because you guys don't like primary sources? This is ridiculous and frankly an extreme case of what is wrong with Wikipedia. My wife is pregnant. I for sure want to know about potential harm of this drug. I would think as a medical professional that you would be more inspired by the "first do no harm" idea. The fact that you Wikipedia jerks are so focused on having only sources from a narrow range of whatever it takes for a given article is so frustrating. I've continued to run into this kind of thing. You would think that academic journals have taken over Wikipedia. The idea that I have actually improved the article with my additions, and that others can improve it further, has completely escaped much of the Wikipedia culture these days. Wikipedia has simply forgotten the idea that this is collaboratively edited, rather than having a coterie of people who simply reject all edits if they do not thread the eye of the needle through the dozens of acronym style guides. You guys are disgusting, really. You are standing on the shoulders of millions of edits and now you reject the very thing that got you to where you are, namely lots of collaboratively edited small improvements. Now any change has to go through hurdles that would never have created Wikipedia in the first place. The fact that you have excluded something that is evidence of significant danger to pregnant women based on this culture of exclusiveness should trouble you deeply. --Jeffmcneill (talk) 06:21, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jeffmcneill I'm sorry that I've upset you, but the fact is we get hundreds upon hundreds of poor quality changes every day. That is why we've written WP:MEDRS which I pointed to when I reverted you. There is also an excellent essay on why we adhere so strongly to it at WP:WHYMEDRS. The fact is that many primary studies are either performed on mice or on very small populations so that their results can't be transferred into clinical practise. MEDRS is no catch all, but it helps us and makes patrolling many articles and removing citations from the daily mail easier. I would also like to point out that we are working on getting these types of warnings into our articles automatically, for example by having FDA warnings automatically added.

I understand it may feel as if you're being reverted by a faceless mass, but I assure you if you had simply taken up the discussion it would have been far more likely to be productive. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 11:10, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't about my feelings, it is about your behavior. You revert me with no reason, then start quoting this bureaucratic nonsense, then threaten me with banning due to my disruptive editing. This is why Wikipedia is dying, cannibalizing its editors and edits in a Kafkaesque farce. Congratulations, I'm sure your no-doubt proper and uplifting ZYZZYXRD will be cited upon its demise. You may want to try and comprehend your own actions, and not my feelings. See <http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~halfak/publications/The_Rise_and_Decline/>. --Jeffmcneill (talk) 11:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is simpler just to follow the community norms for medicine and use secondary sources User:Jeffmcneill. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:31, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, CFCF - am trying to make changes following page moves, to the neurocranium template - but it just redirects to cranium template..?? Thanks --Iztwoz (talk) 09:42, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Iztwoz! Rather, the cranium template redirects to the neurocranium template. There isn't really a proper cranium template, and I moved it because I wasn't able to delete it. A cranium template should include both neuro- and viscerocranium, but there isn't even a Template:Viscerocranium. All this was lost in my endless todo-list and I would create a cranium template later on. Could you enlighten me in what you want done and maybe I can help you better? -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 10:04, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

When you try to edit the neurocranium template it takes you to cranium template redirect page. The three groupings of Squama need to be changed to Squamous parts.--Iztwoz (talk) 10:11, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Have just looked and the page for viscerocranium is entered as Facial skeleton for which there is a template. Maybe this could be added to Cranium template ? --Iztwoz (talk) 10:16, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Done! I'll try and find time to fix the templates. I think if we add both viscerocranium and neurocranium in full to the template it'll be too large, so I'll try to make a slightly smaller overbearing template. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 12:50, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just to say the headings need to be singular Squamous part. cheers --Iztwoz (talk) 22:08, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]