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Y Granger. C Will wait on transaction page; only one edit, was cited, and at least LeBron himself said he was coming back.—Bagumba (talk) 17:50, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
True, and yes no doubt, it's inevitable. But at least for the transaction page, we have to wait for the Cavaliers to officially announce it. That source was just as irrelevant as every other random news source. DaHuzyBru (talk) 17:55, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Not saying it's a legal contract, but it's a content issue whether a player (or agent or owner) announcement is verifiable enough for this page. Anonymous reports are less reliable and I'm more quick to protect in those cases. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 18:26, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I'll give in. Impossible to win. I shall move it later when the Cavs announce it. Thanks for the input. DaHuzyBru (talk) 19:00, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Far out! User:Ucla90024, who seems to an experienced editor (which is odd) is very persistent, so I'm stopping with Lin now – I ain't getting blocked again for edit warring. I tried everything with him. I endorse full protection. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 16:13, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Unfortunately, there aren't enough editors active in WP:NBA with a common set of values to patrol/enforce this. LeBron James mess is prime example. I guess we've all failed to educate and recruit new editors, or maybe it's futile with all the driveby editors. Anyways, take this place for what it's worth.—Bagumba (talk) 16:19, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
No doubt! It's frustrating that even once you inform users (new or old) about the difference between agreed and signed, they don't take any notice. I just don't even bother with editing James' article, much the same with Carmelo Anthony – just too much traffic! I shall persist with the others, however. DaHuzyBru (talk) 16:25, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Someone else go to it. Re: cases like Lin, try WP:DR in the future e.g. post to WT:NBA. Not worth stressing or getting blocked over this stuff, and the article will eventually fix itself, even if it takes longer than we'd like.—Bagumba (talk) 02:01, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
User:Prosportsexpert
Hey, Bagumba. This guy may need a time-out. He's been repeatedly warned to stop messing with the formatting of NBA infoboxes (see here), including capitalization, etc., on his talk page and in edit summaries reverting his changes. Can you do something -- at least issue a block warning? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:02, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
@Dirtlawyer1:Another editor has left a final waring for edit warring on Prosportsexpert's talk page. Hopefully there will be improvement; feel free to follow up at WP:AN3 or WP:ANI or with me as needed. BTW, anyone can leave warnings on another's page. In this case someone else left it already, but it always expedites things if users self-patrolled and issues appropriate warnings on their own, and bring in admins to block as a last resort. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 02:16, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Bagumba. I usually leave a more personal message (rather than a templated warning), with a brief explanation of what I perceive to be the problem, and asking the evil-doer for his cooperation. I did that in this case, and was ignored. I suppose I'm just not as intimidating as the Man with the Badge. LOL Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:24, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
I did see your good cop message. When that fails, I hereby award you a junior bad cop badge to get medieval.—Bagumba (talk) 02:28, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
@Dirtlawyer1: I've tried many times with this guy! I've reverted him many times, and he still persists on capitalising player positions. I don't think he's going to stop no matter what you do. A "timeout" will probably be the only thing that eventually stops him. DaHuzyBru (talk) 02:31, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, DaHuzy, but I reverted about 150 of his NBA bio edits, back through July 4. About 90% of them were the infobox free agent and player position capitalization problems. Maybe that will send a message, assuming he notices. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:35, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
On an unrelated note: Is there some reason why the WNBA bios are not using the generic "Infobox basketball biography?" I didn't even know there was such a thing as the "Infobox WNBA biography" until someone changed it in on of Lady Gators pages on my watch list . . . . Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:32, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Hate to ask but can you autoconfirm protect this page? Apparently he tweeted he's joining the Bulls but no announcement (and probably won't happen til Gasol gets worked out for them). Thanks for considering it. Rikster2 (talk) 00:26, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I understand that about how ESPN don't re-direct their links i.e. college ones will go straight to pro. I shall keep that in mind. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 08:47, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
LeBron James
I saw you in the couple conversations in LeBron and the associated talk page, not sure if you said anything on my RfP last week when I asked for temporary full but it was protected due to edit warring over the intent without contract where I had added Pending Contract so people would at least be ok with that. However it seems you've been dealing with this number "decision" now that he's officially on the team. Maybe another temporary full until he officially announces his number? cliffsteinman--Discuss19:33, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
I wouldn't see that as a conflict, since you're also keeping on top of this subject that might give it the quickest turn around time. It's always about being the best live encyclopedia, no conflict by you locking due to edit warring. Maybe if there was a content dispute or an opinion conflict. cliffsteinman--Discuss19:52, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
One would think ... however, more harmless things than this have caused drama here. I'll pass on this one.—Bagumba (talk) 19:58, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
There has been a lot of recent activity by newly-created accounts changing her nationality in the infobox from "American" to "Native American" (or similar). Does this qualify for page protection? I get the pride aspect, but the field is what it is. Just not sure how to proceed and don't want to edit war over it. Rikster2 (talk) 18:44, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Which article? I'd start a discussion on affected article(s) or WikiProject, or discuss directly with editor. Protection might be iffy in this case if there is not a clear consensus first.—Bagumba (talk) 18:50, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm a little unclear about your "clear consensus" comment. I think there is quite clear consensus that the nationality field is for citizenship. That's been the norm for indigenous Australians, Croat/Serb, "Filipino American" (like Jordan Clarkson recently), etc. why would this be any different? The last user has again changed the field, so in the interest of 3R I am done with it, at least for now. That's the unfortunate thing about WP these days, one is at a real disadvantage when one plays by the rules. These new users don't care about consensus, WP guidelines or anything else. They just care about jack hammering their one change or set of changes until they get banned. Rikster2 (talk) 21:16, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
"clear consensus": it was a generic response prior to knowing the exact article and situation. That said, any article can apply an exception to any practice per WP:IAR. It's up to editors how they decide to present content, but most of the time editors will follow guidelines used in other articles. I'm not sure if there is a technicality of Natives considering their land a nation, so I'm hesitant to be more aggressive as with Clarkson, where there was no proof he had Filipino citizenship. I'm also suspicious of possible WP:SOCKs here, but you should wait to see how the discussion goes. If there ends up being silent consensus after a day or two, I think you can cite the discussion in your edit summary and be free of 3RR. You might also want to notify relevant projects for more input. I'm not going to get involved in the discussion for now, so feel free to let me know if future admin action is needed here.—Bagumba (talk) 23:16, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Hey, Bagumba. Can you move Nicole Dryden over the redirect Nikki Dryden per WP:COMMONNAME? Nicole is the birth name, Nikki is the most common name by which she was known during her international swimming career. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:21, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
@Muboshgu: I was going to copy from my user namspace to main, then realized that I had some merging to do :-) Thanks for taking the lead on this.—Bagumba (talk) 19:00, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Ohh, you had a userspace draft for her article in progress. Now I understand how you managed to find and expand that so quickly! I just did a little searching on her after I read the NYT piece and decided it was enough for a start. You made it a true C. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:18, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for discussing this. Reiterating my earlier message on your talk page, this is premature information about something that may happen, not something that has verifiably taken place. Note the source says "... will sign a two-year deal ..." i.e. it has not happened. Per Wikipedia:WikiProject Sports/Handling sports transactions, transactions are typically not updated on Wikipedia until they have occurred, usually confirmed by an official statement or press release. Thanks for your understanding.—Bagumba (talk) 04:48, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Rashard Lewis
With Rashard Lewis' contract having just been voided by the Mavericks [3], what happens with the transaction page in terms of his initial signing on July 19? 1. Does nothing happen? 2. Does it stay there and instead add him to the waived list (although this says "He doesn’t need to pass through waivers.")? or 3. Just remove the signing completely from the list as if it didn't happen? – What has happened in the past do you know? DaHuzyBru (talk) 16:43, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Dear User:Bagumba, thank you so much for the thoughtful barnstar; it made my day! I'm glad that editors like you work to improve the quality of articles throughout Wikipedia, such as the one we worked on, LeBron James. I wish you all the best! With warm regards, AnupamTalk05:10, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
The LeBron James article is currently semi-protected due to frequent vandalism. Since your account is new, it has not been autotoconfirmed yet to allow you to edit articles like James'. In the meantime, you can request an edit by clicking on "View source" and then using the "Submit an edit request" button. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 21:04, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I am aware of that and I 99% of the time do do that i.e. here. I have used "back to old version - deal not official" many times. Having reverted Mike Miller over and over again, sometimes I just go with a generic one. I am very good at edit summaries but thanks for bringing it up. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 08:12, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
SPA vandalism accounts
Can you give these two accounts a time-out? Newly registered and on apparent vandalism spree through less frequented NFL and NFL-related articles . . . .
The NBA period for free agents began July 1, and many editors start placing their own and/or reporters' rumors regarding new contracts as fact on bios. Thankfully, most major players have been signed by now. Thanks for cleaning them up. —Bagumba (talk) 16:41, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
DASH
[4] How to type this dash character on keyboard, since I can't find it? I have this shortened one -. What is a sequence to it? Thanks --AirWolf (talk) 14:03, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure how you feel about it, but I reckon Andrew Wiggins could use some semi-protection for a while. There have been no useful edits in quite some time. Just bringing it to your attention. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 09:22, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Hey - I know the WNBA infobox is suppoed to convert to the standard Infobox:basketball biography but that a few modifications may need to occur (such as documenting WNBA vs. non-NBA teams since the WNBA is a summer season). I have also been converting a few college coaches to the box and, while I think the basketball biography infobox captures a lot of playing career info lost in Infobox:college coach (an issue with guys with significant playing careers like Johnny Dawkins, Danny Manning, etc), it does not enable display of coaching records - which is a big flaw (would be good for NBA coaches too I suppose). Additionally, I'd still like to look into adding academic class to the infobox for use with college players. Do you know of a good resource to prototype all of these requirements at once? User:Frietjes has done some of the changes in the past, but last time I went to her she was so overloaded with requests that it took quite awhile - it might be nice to get another experienced coder to help. Do you know of anyone or is there a way to request a resource via WP? If we can get these changes done, I will convert infoboxes to suport it, but I'm not capable of doing the coding. What do you think? Rikster2 (talk) 16:40, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
You may want to talk to Technical13. He's a little eccentric, but he seems to have a grip on template coding; sound him out, see what you think. FWIW, I've been using the common basketball biography infobox for WNBA players, and the only fix I noted was that the draft parameter needs to be toggled for WNBA vs. NBA draft; everything else seemed to function just fine. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:49, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Before merging, can we have a discussion at somewhere like WT:BASKETBALL on specific requirement first. Is it necessarily the case that everything should be merged e.g. Template:Infobox basketball biography currently only shows stats for retired people (which may or may not be good to discourage daily updates).—Bagumba (talk) 17:02, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I can add a discussion at WP:BASKETBALL, I'll do it later today. I do think the WNBA issue has been decided with the merge discussion and the college class add is the last wish list item from the college player merge discussion. I think coaching record is the only thing that hasn't been discussed in depth. Rikster2 (talk) 12:02, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I have been trying to make Chris Paul a good article. I just put in a nomination but would appreciate it if you wouldn't mind looking things over. Thanks!--Ktmartell (talk) 03:45, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello, I just wanted your opinion on something. A few users have changed Solomon Hill's and Damjan Rudez's infoboxes to state different numbers and said Hill's and the Pacers' twitter, along with the team store have stated it. I feel that it should correspond to the Pacers roster or the players' player files on nba.com . What do you think? (I see you are on vacation so enjoy the days off and respond at your leisure.) Miamiheat631 (talk) 20:33, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
I think people should just wait until the season starts :-) Realistically, people have their own way to handle conflicting sources. When there is a disagreement, follow dispute resolution. Discuss with the other editor directly first. If still not satisfied, a great resource is asking WikiProject NBA at WT:NBA.—Bagumba (talk) 00:34, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm new here (A month)and I'm having a hard time uploading pictures since there are a lot of requirements to be done. Can you ask someone to upload an updated profile picture for Kawhi Leonard (He's in the NBA now not in the SDSU anymore, Danny Green (He's not part of the Cleveland Cavaliers anymore). Marco Belinelli (Picture shows that he is with the Toronto Raptors).
Hey, I plan on adding MJ's collegiate statistics to his career achievements page as well as his main page. Just thought I'd give a heads up on a rather bold move for a retired player. - Hoops gza (talk) 17:21, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello Bagumba,
Please send me the links, where I made mistakes or links which are not appropriate for others!
It will be helpful for me to maintain Wikipedia Criteria.
Thanks for your message. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vivekjain93 (talk • contribs) 04:50, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
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Interested in creating an article for a UCLA old-timer?
John Stanich is a redlink on the 1950 US World Championships (World Cup) template, is a redlink on an AAU All-American template, is a redlink on the 1948 NCAA Men's Basketball All-Americans article, and would be another link on the Pac-12 all-conference team article you created. Any interest in creating his article? He's definitely passes GNG. Rikster2 (talk) 01:36, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
I am sure there are enough sources, but yes, with this era of athlete newspapers.com or a similar resource is pretty important to get to them. Rikster2 (talk) 18:35, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Shabazz Napier
Would you consider semi-protecting Shabazz Napier? An IP is constantly re-adding this ridiculous stats table to the article which was previously added many times before by these two users that were blocked recently because of sock puppetry and I think this IP and this new user is the same person again. Both the IP and the new user are making very similar edits to the first two users who were blocked. DaHuzyBru (talk) 18:43, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Eh, actually, I guess the stats table isn't too bad, it's just ridiculously long in edit mode [5]. Forget the semi-protect, but I still think there is sock puppetry here again though. DaHuzyBru (talk) 18:48, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Iuux3, Uconn13 and 50.176.102.238 – all the same person as these two users. Very disruptive edits right now, all three editing the same things and it's getting out of hand. I'd like to request a block on all three for sock puppetry, opening an investigation will take too long. DaHuzyBru (talk) 19:12, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
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Bagumba, thanks so much for blocking 68.225.150.26. He was constantly violating WP:CRYSTAL and seems to be Zoran Dragic's personal PR guy. per WP:DUCK, can you also block User:AGreatPhoenixSunsFan? He tried to add Dragic to 2011 NBA draft as a notable undrafted player ([6]) despite that section explicitly stating "These players were not selected in the 2011 NBA draft but have played at least one game in the NBA." Jrcla2 (talk) 18:10, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Also - I just happened to look over his talk page history. Look at how many times he's been told the rules to adding players to all-time rosters and to categories! Not to mention other CRYSTAL-related editing. At a certain point, competence is required to edit Wikipedia, and this person (IMO) is not showing it. Perhaps a decently lengthed block to catch his attention? Nothing else will. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
I'd need to see a few more repeated examples to be comfortable calling it a duck. Feel free to go to WP:SPI for another opinion. I'm not available to look further right now.—Bagumba (talk) 03:39, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
@Jrcla2: I subscribe to practice that blocks are not WP:PUNITIVE. Since the IP hadn't been blocked before, hopefully the slap sets them straight. If not, subsequent action will be more severe. I didn't have time to dig deeper either, another reason I erred on being more conservative.—Bagumba (talk) 03:39, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Shaquille O'Neal
Are you f**** with me? Is it April 1 today? No? I can't believe what you reverted. [7]. Is it then typical to use the lowest quality photo? I won't revert you edit, but I will say - shame on you.--AirWolftalk09:46, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Feel free to expand on what you mean by the subjective statement, "lowest quality photo". Reiterating my edit comment: "typically use the most recent photo, other one also has distracting hands of other people in it". Unfortunately, the edit summary of your original edit was an obscure "let's refresh template a bit". Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 17:10, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
200 dpi over 96 dpi says for itself, so I was very objective while stating that. If other hands are "distracting" there, what about people faces in the background of yours "chosen" one photo? Sorry if I have provided inappropriate edit summary, won't happen next time (see: Revision history). And finally, I am contesting you to give me where this came from: "(we) typically use the most recent photo". Have a nice day.--AirWolftalk20:09, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Please, don't take my words out of context, the 200 dpi argument was a reply to your accusation of one of my previous arguments. Second, from what I read in given discussion, there really wasn't built a universal "rule" on this issue, there were just suggestions, with no clear consensus. So, the statement "(we) typically use the most recent photo" falls in the water. I won't be pursuing this, this whole discussion with you was just a matter of validity of your actions... in order to set some unwritten standards for such matter in the future. Cheers.--AirWolftalk01:21, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
For protected pages like Jordan Clarkson, you can always click "View source" and then "Submit an edit request". For your proposed edit, you need to provide a reliable source for verifiability. Even if it was true, it would usually not go in the lead. Per WP:OPENPARAGRAPH, "Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability."—Bagumba (talk) 22:36, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
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Where in English usage does it say that two consecutive years should be bridged with an endash? Typically that is 3+ years to show a range and two years is a comma. What is the basis for the existing convention for infobox basketball biography? Rikster2 (talk) 02:02, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Right, but I'm not taking about Wikipedia convention, I'm talking about real-world usage. The endash is there to show a range and remove the need to list out interim information ("1986-1993" instead of "1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993"). With a two year repeat, there is no interim information that the endash would replace. Is there a style guide that mandates our current usage? I ask because I don't think it is correct. Rikster2 (talk) 04:05, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Not sure about other style guides. For that matter, not sure if any style guide explicitly prohibits it, WP:MOS included. At this point, it's already the convention in the bulk of WP:NBA articles, and seems like the convention is generally understandable to readers, not just a few Wikipedia editors or long-time WP readers.—Bagumba (talk) 04:30, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
And the answer is . . . WP:DATERANGE. FYI, a number of sports editors, including myself, GiantSnowman and Rikster, participated in the crafting of the current language of this MOS provision. In fact, Bagumba drafted the current exception to this rule that permits eight-digit year ranges for sports infoboxes. Short memories, guys.
FYI, the widespread use of the ndash came about when computers replaced typewriters and the ndash became an easily accessible typographical option. Previously, two hyphens were substituted for ndashes on a typewriter (vs. actual typesetters). Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:27, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Oh, and there is no MOS policy for how we list championship years or years of awards and honors in infobox parentheticals. The existing sports convention appears to be that we maintain separately listed years (with commas) for individual awards, but we use year spans (with ndashes) for team tenures. This is shown in the examples of infobox honors at Template:Infobox NFL player. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:36, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
The question is not WP:DATERANGE, per se, but whether the defacto practice of using endash for recurring annual events e.g. awards, should instead be listed with a comma while limiting en dash to spans of three of more years. My 2₵: Since a de facto WP:NBA convention already exists and it's a gray area at best whether a "real-world" practice exists to render the current practice utterly confusing, stick with status quo and avoid expanding our WP:BUREAUCRACY while concentrating on more egregious areas in WP.—Bagumba (talk) 17:40, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
"Chide" seems a bit harsh. The other case had a simple template change option to save work. I honestly didn't think about bots here, but cases of just deleting or renaming a named param, I imagine, are more straight forward to implement than this one. —Bagumba (talk) 18:25, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
International Career
I've noticed that the information in the International Career category is severely lacking. I mean only 1 line for two FIBA World Championships (now the World Cup)? We need to elaborate on what role he played in those 2 FIBA World Championships (or World Cups), cause he played a significant role in each one, especially 2014. Could you help with this? StephenCurry30Fan (talk) 18:21, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
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People are advocating using eight-digit in more situations, not looking to roll back previous consensus. It's just funny. Rikster2 (talk) 16:54, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Outside of the carve-out for sports infoboxes the two of you fought for, the standard MOS year-span format is supposed to be YYYY-YY. The present discussion is being driven by the computer geeks' desire to sanction all ISO date formats, including YYYY-MM, which conflicts with YYYY-YY year spans. I'll keep an eye on the discussion, and let you know if veers off in a direction that potentially impacts the sports projects. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:05, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Someone apparently speedily moved Category:Tulsa 66ers players to Category:Oklahoma City Blue players, which is obviously incorrect because none of those players have ever played a game for "Oklahoma City Blues" name, plus it is the long established naming convention to keep historical names for which a player has participated. I can't tell who nominated it for speedy renaming but nobody caught it at CfR to object. As an admin, can you revert this move and get all of these players back into the Tulsa 66ers players category? Jrcla2 (talk) 15:48, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Unfortunately, there is no easy way to restore this, even as an admin. As it was done by a bot, the simplest way seems to be to get a bot to reverse it. The charges were done by User:Cydebot, which is operated by admin User:Cyde. I would recommend you contact the admin to get a background on the rationale for the speedy move vs a discussion, and if the bot can reverse the changes.—Bagumba (talk) 19:53, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
College POY
You don't think the presentation is better with it as 'Consensus national player of the year'? Then it will fit on one line and it is saying the same thing as 'Consensus national college player of the year'. The award is an NCAA award; it's a given that it is college. (T23tran (talk) 22:47, 19 October 2014 (UTC))
Hi, I saw your message regarding the Yankees-Red Sox edit. You said that unsourced information was published and therefore you removed it. Would you be able to tell me what the unsourced information was? All I cited was that both teams missed the playoffs for the first time since 1993. That is in the title of the article so therefore it's a citation. Not sure what's going on. Appreciate the comment. Thanks. 161.185.161.76 (talk) 18:27, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
