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FYI - Recently there has been a discussion on the Guild of One Name Studies email forum regarding the use of Wikipedia for surname studies. Most indicate that individual pages are one thing but linked pages and surname pages are another.
I agree.

Please feel free to share with your other Administrators on WikiProject Anthroponymy. And use or delete as you wish.

I simply do not have the time nor effort to deal with Wikipedia these days. Even though I had been involved a bit in the past. Especially for the surname of Carpenter.

While it is not proper for me to cite their emails, I can let you see what I wrote.

<start> The Carpenter Cousins Project helped start, fix, re-fix and re-fix over 300 articles on notable Carpenters.

We also did a list page of Carpenters on Wikipedia, including a Carpenter name page and related surname pages. This included selected immigrants, coat of arms and some related Carpenters in history.

We have pretty much abandoned the effort because of "politics," interpretations, re-interpretations and some administrators who seemingly have become power crazy in too many ways.

We took the best versions and moved them to our own records. And left the versions of Wikipedia to be mauled here and there.

Sadly once you create an article of Wikipedia then one needs to maintain it. And beginning articles are often chopped apart or deleted by some editors. In addition, some people will edit to clean up text, others will remove bad links then others will say no link (removed by another) and remove the related reference. And one has to expect all sort of tags to fix or wikify in one manner or the other. Then sadly, some believe that popular magazines, web pages and on line articles should have more prominence over hard cover and well written history books. And the net result tweaks the article toward a warped view.  At least in my opinion.  

In addition, there are just too many unqualified editors who often fail to understand history and who wish to see things through the modern moral lens. And those who deliberately make bad changes just for the fun of it. There is a clear lack of article protection at all levels. There are no read only articles.

All that said, please see the following links of what I and other Carpenters tried on Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carpenter_(town_clerk) - one of my favorite "John Carpenters" in history. Please note the Carpenter Arms section.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Carpenter,_1st_Baron_Carpenter - Here is example of Baron Carpenter line.

Please note how the the Carpenter Arms section has been truncated.

Also note the "Peerage of Ireland" section that links this article to others. The series had a dozen or so related articles and I note that one related article has been deleted or changed (red linked) for one reason or the other.

Those Carpenter Arms was later acquired through a female line to the following series of articles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Boyd_Carpenter - please note the Carpenter Arms section has been removed

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=William_Boyd_Carpenter&oldid=727227233 - Here is an older version.

Later using the following comments got things removed.

"Rewriting incomprehensible text and removing irrelevant content. This is about one man, not a history of arms, genealogy or of Herefordshire."

I would say attitude is a little thing that causes much contention in the world today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpenter_(surname) - like a basic intro to the surname along with various links.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_surname_Carpenter - please notice that this list has been corrupted by the disambiguation mob who believe it is their way or the highway.   

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_people_with_surname_Carpenter&oldid=1064821242 - This is what it looked like on 10 Jan 2022 before the disambiguation mob got to it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Carpenter_(Rhode_Island_colonist) - Here is a page of an English emigrant that came to America in 1635.

https://isogg.org/wiki/William_Carpenter_of_Providence - The same page, older version on the ISOGG wiki. Note the genetic genealogy sections. On the Wikipedia version such is bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rehoboth_Carpenter_family - The original article on the emigrant "William Carpenter of Rehoboth" was deleted because it was not notable enough. It was then redone into the Rehoboth Carpenter Family and it survived challenges to delete it.

https://isogg.org/wiki/Rehoboth_Carpenter_family - The same page, older version on the ISOGG wiki. Note the genetic genealogy sections.  On the Wikipedia version such is bad.

Here is one that started for the "Carpenter Coat of Arms" that was not notable enough and modified into another article with a similar name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpenters_Arms - Please notice the creativeness, even though the section on the original Carpenter Arms pub was deleted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carpenters_Arms&oldid=663427811 - Here is an older version - please note the attempt to delete.  Strangely it was the "Carpentery" version of Carpenters who mostly wanted to delete it, because it did not match their version of history.

One last example shows how modern views, translation or interpretations can really mess up an article. And please note this article is rated as a "Good Article (GA)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Carpenter - Sadly, this article merges data that does not belong to the original "William the Carpenter" and makes him into a mad butcher who slashes with the lance and sword." And slashing with a lance is absurd. Slashing with a sword against an armored knight is poor form because of the small targets available are joints that require sticking the sword into the correct spot. History records that the battle axe was a prominent weapon used as a melee weapon that could make precise cuts like a trade carpenter and also be used as a hammer tool. By not understanding this and using imagery of later "noble knights" the context of the person is grossly skewed. If you wish to see the efforts made to explain this, see the discussion page at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:William_the_Carpenter  - by reviewing the talk or discussion page you can see the efforts and comments made for this article.  And how others can push their view points.

For comparison between this and another Carpenter related "Good Article (GA)" see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_H._Carpenter - see also the Talk or discussion page for the things that this article went through. Personally, this one is much more detailed and accurate historically.  

All the above is just the tip of the efforts made on Wikipedia for the surname "Carpenter."

And again, the effort was good, but too many cooks, editors and want to be controllers of their version of their turf on Wikipedia.

I suggest that if using WIKIPEDIA, write the article, let it improve then save the best version for your records.   <end>

JRC
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https://one-name.org/name_profile/carpenter/
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@Jrcrin001: Thanks for the message. Please note that while I am an administrator, it does not provide me with more editorial influence on content than you or any other editor. Feel free to post this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anthroponymy. There are a lot of advantages to Wikipedia being crowdsourced, but your frustration is also understandable, given the site's format. Still, we agree to the terms of Use, every time we submit our edits, that anyone can modify or delete our changes.

I can only recommend following Wikipedia:Dispute resolution, and ultimately Wikipedia operates on consensus, for better or for worse. An editor may decide that alternative outlets are more suitable for their specific needs, which you might have already concluded. Considering that I edit here, I still do think it is worthwhile, as long as we are realistic about its advantages and limitations. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 12:02, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, would you please see that Talk page? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Doddie_Weir Regards, Billsmith60 (talk) 18:11, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Commented there.—Bagumba (talk) 18:43, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

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Yeah, I realise ITNPICT says the image is for the topmost blurb, but that's because it's usually the most recently added. In this case, it isn't, and the topmost blurb has already had the image, so ... Black Kite (talk) 14:34, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

@Black Kite: My edit was purely procedural, as the Boeing blurb was originally on top and then later moved. You can establish an IAR case at WP:ERRORS, if you choose, or propose a general change at WT:ITN. —Bagumba (talk) 15:19, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, it was just a thought, and it doesn't matter anyway now because of Griner. Black Kite (talk) 11:06, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

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Hi Bagumba

So much for my original question, lol.

But this question is regarding voting. Is a vote for general purposes .. or black and white final answers? I ask because I believe you're an administrator and you know far more than I ever will at Wikipedia. You even put U.S. on players pages .... and a rule cannot be implemented unless a few agree? Some editors don't deserve that much power. A rule should be put in place, we add to a page, and that's that. You'd never think that I was the one removing U.S. in the first place.

But you must have seen Platoon .. I'm a firm believer in when the machine breaks down, we break down.

Thanks for your time Bringingthewood (talk) 22:39, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood: Generally, Wikipedia operates off of WP:CONSENSUS. A caveat is WP:NOTVOTE. You did fine by following Wikipedia:Dispute resolution.—Bagumba (talk) 07:25, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing that up for me and for the dispute resolution verdict. I appreciate it.

Sometimes I should walk around the block first, before I start typing. I'll work on that.

I'm pretty sure that I saw your vote come in on my watchlist, but I didn't see your name on the voting page. I should try that, less enemies that way. Bringingthewood (talk) 07:41, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Apparently I fogot to sign. Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 07:58, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

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Howdy Bagumba,

thanks for reaching out and the heads up regarding the discussion.

"I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of NBA 75th Anniversary Team several times" Yes and no. The page states "Note: Statistics are correct through the end of the 2020–21 season, the season last completed before the list was announced." so either those edits need to be reverted since they clash with the notes. Or the notes need to be removed. But I admit that keeping hte stas is my prefered option.

"but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable." could you kindly point me to the section where that is stated? I only see the 3RR. As I pointed ou on the talk page, starting discussions on various talk pages did ... exactly nothing. So what do you suggest we should do to get a decission regarding those notes and how to handle the stats?

"All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus" Wonderful, and then nobody responds because people don't care about the talk page or discssions. Great. Got a practical solution or suggestion? (not being snarky, honest question)

I'll actually take a closer look at the Dispute resolution page if I can find something useful, so thanks for pointing that out! :) Cheers, 165.1.194.41 (talk) 12:26, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

I see you found the discussion at Talk:NBA_75th_Anniversary_Team#To_update_or_not_to_update_stats. Let's see if an agreement can be reached there. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 12:30, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Honest opinion: Folks won't see it, The discussion started over a year ago and I'm the third person posting there. I'll see if we can get the DR rolling. Might more sense. Cheers! 165.1.194.41 (talk) 12:33, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello, you reverted me at WP:Disambiguation. Your edit comment was not very clear (i.e. why is it not suitable)?. Could you please give give more information about your revert in Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation? Banana Republic (talk) 03:47, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I've commented over there. —Bagumba (talk) 04:01, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

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I didn't want to overstep, but I believe you should have NFL Wikiproject on your page. You did more than half the members.

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@Bringingthewood: Thanks for the suggestion. The project seemed disjointed in the past, and I wouldn't have thought I was a "member". Perhaps I'll reconsider at some point. At any rate, my level of participation is independent of my project status. —Bagumba (talk) 01:39, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

I hear you. I'm glad you didn't shoot down the idea. You definitely deserve it.

We'll speak again down the road I'm sure.

Have a good weekend! Bringingthewood (talk) 02:16, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

I would need an advise about being incorrectly accused by individual user on my talk page as being racist without any prove. In an inappropriate manner. i have been accused incorrectly. i think user like this should be banned/blocked from future edits on Wikipedia. Can i have advise on that matter please? See more on my talk page regarding this matter. thank you in advance Wappy2008 (talk) 12:52, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

@Wappy2008: You can refer to Wikipedia:No personal attacks, in particular the section at Wikipedia:No personal attacks#Responding to personal attacks. Let me know if you have any further questions.—Bagumba (talk) 15:11, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

In fact, he found it annoying that I asked him for proof for his claims at Larnaca International Airport. Proof he did not had, nor was willing to look at but he was willing to edit war about it. And I think he did the same as an IP, as both use guesswork and a phrase to the tune of "will the flights ever resume?" To be true, his racism claim in itself is a personal attack. The Banner talk 13:52, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I was only answering a very general question. I'm not sure of the specifics or background of your post. Refer perhaps to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Best. —Bagumba (talk) 12:17, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Just asking ... what's good for the site? Wouldn't want a vote to be wasted.

Burn this after reading, lol. Bringingthewood (talk) 23:47, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood: It's not on my radar (yet?). —Bagumba (talk) 12:04, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

I figured maybe some votes are more important than others. This was on top of my watchlist page for a few days, expiring on the 31st.

Sometimes it's better on my part to not let a vote go. Not sure with all the ins and outs here, so I asked first.

Outside of 'Hey man im josh', who is a very nice person and got me to join up, I don't really ask much.

Bottom line, if something is needed I'll vote.

Regards, John Bringingthewood (talk) 00:45, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood: Never a bad thing to be informed. Sorry I've got nothing to add here. —Bagumba (talk) 01:08, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Believe me, no big deal. I just didn't want to see people fired over that 100-99 vote, lol.

Anything in the future, just drop on in.

Bye for now ......... Bringingthewood (talk) 01:19, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

In NBA teams' all-time rosters' articles, some sections only have surnames starting with one letter, while other sections include several letters. Is there a hard numerical value that needs to be met so that a letter can have their own section and table? Say, if there are 50 players with surnames starting with "C", there should be a separate section and table for letter C alone.

Or the system is just random? So basically if an editor feels like a section that includes multiple letters is too long already, they'd separate the letter with the most entries. ^{Engr. Smitty Werben} 20:22, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

@Engr. Smitty: Can't say I've worked on those types of lists much. I'd imagine you don't want them too big, making it harder to find a specific person, or too little, where there's a bunch of short sections. Maybe find an WP:FL to model after? You could also ask at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists. Good luck. —Bagumba (talk) 01:12, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

I tried fixing Boban marjanovic article as best as i could someone have vandalized his article and i had to inform you about this i am very sorry to disturb you. DrLuigiGamer2001 (talk) 12:54, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

@DrLuigiGamer2001: Looks like someone else resolved it already. The most effective way is to go into the page's history and see where the error(s) were introduced.—Bagumba (talk) 13:54, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Got it thanks for the tips! DrLuigiGamer2001 (talk) 14:49, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

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Hi Bagumba

Just wanted to double-check this with you. I added birth/death links to a former NYC mayor (surprised it wasn't there). Then I did the same for a former governor. When I checked the history, found out the same person removed both. Is this common practice? Just about all of Wikipedia has a birth/death link. Even if just London (not England). Maybe they just don't like NY, lol.

I'm not in the mood to get into it with someone ....... but if I'm correct. Bringingthewood (talk) 04:54, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood: You didn't mention a specific page, so I'm going to guess you're perhaps referring to someone thinking MOS:OVERLINK for like New York City. It's one of those things I'd argue to keep it, cuz someone is always going to go and add it back in. But I don't own WP haha. —Bagumba (talk) 05:45, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Nahh, I think you're a co-owner. you just keep it quiet. @@

I'm not very good at putting links on a talk page. But it's Abraham Beame and Hugh Carey. My contributions aren't hidden. lol.

I can see the overlink, but nothing at all? NYC usually has something. Even Beame's relative has a link. The editor gave some sort of explanation, but it seems vague.

Seems trivial, but someone who does things like that have reasons .... wayyyyyy down in there. Bringingthewood (talk) 05:56, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Funny, I just looked at Mario Cuomo. He was popular enough and neither NYC has a link. I think for birth it's warranted.

Seems like a NYC thing. Strange. Bringingthewood (talk) 06:08, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood: I sometimes see with LA also. The other twist is some people removing the state if the WP page title only has the city in it.—Bagumba (talk) 06:52, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I did see LA before with the same situation. I added a link, lol.

I've been deleting many NFL player high school cities, when the birth city is the same. All for not going link crazy. But one link for a city in the infobox seems okay.

Just a note, personally, I don't really care for the politicians/ their offspring that I edited anyway... so you know my heart was in the right place.  :)

Thank you for all your input. Bringingthewood (talk) 00:34, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

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Hi Bagumba. Can you protect List of National Basketball Association career scoring leaders, considering that LeBron could pass Kareem later tonight? I'm quite sure that IPs would flood the page later (or the next few days) once LeBron has done it, and there are already a few signs that that would be the case based on some of the edits the past few days. Thanks! ^{Engr. Smitty Werben} 18:15, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

@Engr. Smitty: Protection is not done Wikipedia:PREEMPTIVEly, but there was enough recent activity. —Bagumba (talk) 20:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes I know that. That's why I also mentioned about the edits in the past few days. Thanks anyway! ^{Engr. Smitty Werben} 20:36, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi again Bagumba. So currently there's a Greg Smith playing in the PBA, but it's not Greg Smith (basketball, born 1991). Normally I'd use their birth year as the disambiguator, but they have the same birth years. Heck, they even have the same birth month lol. WP:NCHOOPS doesn't address this case any further. For the sake of a redlink, I currently used a "II" at the end of his name, which is the name used when the team announced the signing. However, I can't find any old sources that use that suffix for his common name and WP:NCSPDAB also discourages that practice (I also think the team added the suffix to not confuse with the former NBA player). Any ideas on a better disambiguator? Should I just ignore this problem, given that there's no article for the PBA player? Haha thanks! ^{Engr. Smitty Werben} 03:00, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@Engr. Smitty: Is the subject notable enough to meet WP:REDYES? It it is, using "II" wouldn't meet WP:NATURAL if sources don't use it. If they play different positions, perhaps that can be a disambiguator? —Bagumba (talk) 17:35, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hey, can you please leave a semi protected template on Mike Muscala’s page? He was recently trade to the Celtics but he’s not on the roster and people are disrupting the page constantly. Thanks. Mastergerwe97 (talk) 17:57, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@Mastergerwe97: Protected, but I think you meant he was reportedly traded.—Bagumba (talk) 18:01, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Yeah that’s what I meant. It’s annoying. Literally non accounts with their IP addresses just think that since a trade is reported, it almost always goes through. That’s what happened when I first joined Wikipedia. But over the years I learned how to become a helpful editor. Mastergerwe97 (talk) 18:06, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@Mastergerwe97: Thanks for looking out for these. I assume such editors are tryingto be helpful, and use {{Current sports transaction}} to explain things. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 18:11, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@Mastergerwe97: I meant {{Uw-sportstrans}} —Bagumba (talk) 18:12, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

The only problem is that it clearly states that. Might want to lock Russell Westbrook as well. He’s reportedly been traded to the Utah Jazz and we’re still getting some edits. I’ll keep you updated. It’s the trade deadline so a lot of deals are going through. Mastergerwe97 (talk) 18:19, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Template for Serge Ibaka and George Hill please? Mastergerwe97 (talk) 18:37, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Done. —Bagumba (talk) 18:42, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Can you protect Jakob Pöltl as well? Lots of different reported trades flying around. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 18:53, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Done —Bagumba (talk) 18:54, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I guess I’ll just lock the pages myself as well since you basically taught me how to do it. Mastergerwe97 (talk) 18:54, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, just adding the {{pp-blp}} template does not work. You need to be an administrator to protect pages. Natg 19 (talk) 18:55, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

That’s just great then. Mastergerwe97 (talk) 18:59, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Protection needed for James Wiseman as well. Natg 19 (talk) 19:25, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Done. —Bagumba (talk) 23:43, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I reverted your revert of my deletion. I honestly can’t see any noteworthiness in that material. See WP:NOT. With my very best wishes, Springnuts (talk) 22:18, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Another editor restored it.[1] —Bagumba (talk) 01:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Someone made a vandalize edit on the 2017-18 Brooklyn nets season just letting you know DrLuigiGamer2001 (talk) 04:59, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@DrLuigiGamer2001: Did you have a particular question or request? —Bagumba (talk) 06:09, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

A request everything I saw was vandalized DrLuigiGamer2001 (talk) 08:36, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@DrLuigiGamer2001: You can refer to Wikipedia:Vandalism#Handling. —Bagumba (talk) 09:10, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

You'll probably want to revert the addition I made to WP:ITNPICT as well if you feel that the former edit was too prescriptive. In either case, I wanted to provide a bit of guidance since there seems to be a mistaken assumption among a few editors that we have a provision that allows us to post photo RDs. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:59, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@WaltCip: Thanks. Reverted that one too (sorry). I'd suggest pointing people to the existing verbiage on images being for blurbs. They're welcome to establish a new consensus to change it. —Bagumba (talk) 16:05, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

No problem at all, I understand your reverts. Was just testing the waters. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 16:06, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Just wanted to thank you for that 'leg to stand on'. I used it yesterday after someone reverted U.S. -- stating: WP:USPLACE, Wikipedia Manual of Style states that United States place names are specified "city, state"-- not "city, state, US"

I sent the link with the consensus and so far, so good. Bringingthewood (talk) 03:22, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood: For future ammo, WP:USPLACE applies to page titles, not necessarily how they are presented in text, esp. a standalone infobox, where not everyone would recognize the country context. The alternative is to fill a nationality field, like NBA bios used to do, but the MOS:INFONAT crowd won out. —Bagumba (talk) 03:57, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I do like ammo. Thanks for all the info, it's always appreciated.

It's also nice to know there's extra bullets handy ... especially after the prayer I say that they'll go away doesn't work.

Thank you once again! Bringingthewood (talk) 04:09, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

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I saw the "Jack" removed from Lambert's page. I did this on Mitch Lyons after I saw your edit. Now looking at the link used for explanation I saw Tina Fey. Is there a difference between "Jack" with John Harold and "Tina" with Elizabeth? Her page still has "Tina".

Just asking because MOS:NICKNAME has Tina Fey in green, as to do it that way. A bit confused here. Bringingthewood (talk) 02:02, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood: Jack is generally known as a common nickname for John, so no need for quotes. However, Stamatina is not a common English name, so its shortening to Tina is quoted. Note, some bios don't quote the nickname, even if its from an uncommon name, if its an obvious shortening from the first syllable(s) e.g. Al Capone (Alphonse). YMMV. —Bagumba (talk) 02:17, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

I know what you mean, especially with John/Jack. I'm going to stay away from these anyway.

Al Baker's page has "Bubba" included. I was going to add it after (nicknamed ..) Yesterday I moved "Bullet Bill" from Bill Dudley. Hope that was correct.

As long as I don't make extra work for people. Bringingthewood (talk) 02:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood: Yeah, there's a crap load that one can do here. WP:VOLUNTEER for whatever you want. —Bagumba (talk) 02:33, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Ha! Thanks again! Bringingthewood (talk) 02:36, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article San Diego Padres retired numbers is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/San Diego Padres retired numbers until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Songwaters (talk) 16:13, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

I have requested that your move be undone at WP:RMTR. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:08, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

OK. I commented there.—Bagumba (talk) 12:15, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Hey. Can you please consider permanently semi-protecting Jason Terry. The only contributions are vandalism edits. DaHuzyBru (talk) 00:13, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Trying 1 year first. —Bagumba (talk) 00:32, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I can't explain the excitement seeing all these Steelers flooding my watchlist. Especially knowing it's not a vandal.

Have fun! Bringingthewood (talk) 05:25, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood Hopefully it was an improvement.—Bagumba (talk) 05:28, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh yeah, for sure.

Seeing what you've been doing lately has kept me away from destructive tinkering.

Like the Andy Russell place of birth. I would have changed the separate links also,

but I would have linked the city and state together. Never thought about the big cities and leaving the state out of it. Bringingthewood (talk) 05:42, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood: Yeah, linking the state together probably avoids someone linking them separately later. There's no official guidelines on how to avoid churn LOL.—Bagumba (talk) 06:04, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

HA! I hear that.

Well, I'll let you go ... at least until another mini-disaster comes along.

Have a good week. Bringingthewood (talk) 06:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

On 20 March 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Reclassification (education), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that some families feel pressure to reclassify their child to compete with their peers who have repeated a grade? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Reclassification (education). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Reclassification (education)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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