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Hello, you can look at the relevance of this article Noam Bettan, for me it has them. --Acartonadooopo (talk) 17:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I think it is a shame that a) you couldn't be bothered to ask article creators or do anything to attract the attention of people with the articles on their watchlists, and b) you really should leave the categories. DuncanHill (talk) 13:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

• @DuncanHill: The purpose is to stop pointless AfD debates on stubs about questionably notable features, and to pull together information on these features into the context of a parent article such as a large island, a mountain range, a major glacier etc. I have been as open as I can. I asked for comments on WikiProject Antarctica, asked two of the most prolific stub creators for comments, discussed with two admins, and presumably the stub creators are watching the stubs if they still have any interest in them. But nothing is lost. The information is all preserved in brief list entries like

  Wright Peak
  73°40′S 94°32′W / 73.667°S 94.533°W / -73.667; -94.533. Small rock peak 1,510 metres (4,950 ft) high located 0.5 nautical miles (0.93 km; 0.58 mi) south of Sutley Peak. Mapped by the University of Minnesota-Jones Mountains Party, 1960-61, which named it for Herbert E. Wright, Jr., glacial geologist, University of Minnesota, who was advisor to the party and visited Antarctica in the 1961-62 season.

Anyone who wants to restore and expand an article like this just has to undo the redirect and start adding content, as the edit note says: "Redirect to parent, which holds all the available content. Article could be restored and expanded if more material shows up." I am not deleting any information, just organizing it. As for keeping categories on redirects, I cannot see any scenario where that would have value. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:45, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

For categorisation see WP:SUBTOPICCAT. I think you should also use Template:R with possibilities. As for "I have been as open as I can" no you haven't - "presumably the stub creators are watching the stubs if they still have any interest in them" yes I am still watching those I created, and no you did absolutely nothing to inform me or anyone else watching them, until you actually went ahead. "The purpose is to stop pointless AfD debates on stubs about questionably notable features" - do you have any evidence of that happening? because I've not seen it on any of those on my watchlist. DuncanHill (talk) 13:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:SUBTOPICCAT is a suggestion, and applies to things with well known names that may be expanded into full articles. As far as I can tell, most of the small Antarctic features are not at all well known, and the list entry holds all there is to be said about them. Very few will turn back into full articles. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

{{R with possibilities}} should only be used if there is some sign that there are possibilities. If a stub has anything more than a copy of the USBGN or GNIS entry, I do not turn the article into a redirect. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

I have no way of telling who is watching an article. The watchers will see my changes, and can object to any particular redirect if they feel that the topic has potential as an article. So far, no editors have. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

I started this project because I was involved in an AfD debate on a stub, where the information seemed worth keeping but the feature did not seem at all notable. The solution was to merge to parent. As I work through the stubs, I sometimes come across a redirect from an AfD that was closed as merge, usually just a bald redirect to the parent name rather than to a section. And sometimes I come across a redlink for a deleted stub. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:24, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

From a user's point of view, the redirects are useful. Wright Peak (Antarctica) takes them straight to the information that was in the stub, but they can scroll up and down to see nearby features, and maybe they will find something about the geology, glaciology, etc. of the parent feature. A stand-alone article does less to encourage browsing. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:24, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

You don't need to know who is watching an article. You can post on the talk page and EVERYONE WHO IS WATCHING THE ARTICLE WILL SEE IT. If you watchlisted the redirects you would have seen objections before, because I have objected in the past when restoring categories. DuncanHill (talk) 15:21, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Launching talk page discussions and watching all the redirects seems over-elaborate for a simple process like this. So far no editor has objected on my talk page to any of the thousands of redirects. Anyone can undo a redirect and expand the article if they have more information. They do not have to tell me, but if they did I would encourage them, and add a {{main}} link from the list entry in the parent article. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:51, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

@DuncanHill: I will leave the categories, going forward. I do not see how that would be useful, but can't see what harm it would do. Aymatth2 (talk) 11:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

I notice that the categorization is quite erratic. Thus the Behrendt Mountains are in eastern Ellsworth Land, but Mount Caywood, Mount Brice, Thomson Summit and Mount Suggs are in Palmer Land to the north, while Mount Abrams is in the Biscoe Islands of Graham Land, far to the north. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

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Looks like a duplicate, can you merge?♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:24, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Done. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Delighted to see you back consistently editing again. It is staggering how much work needs doing still. Burundi appears to have very poor coverage even by African standards on here. The Collines of Burundi ought to have a Category and navigation templates. Thanks for all you've done with sorting out Antarctica!♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I am a bit bored with Antarctica. Merging stubs is very mechanical, and there are thousands of them.

Burundi has a hopeless lack of coverage, but it is hard to find sources. It is poor and politics are dangerous. I have started articles on senators and governors, in the top of the political elite, and sometimes can't find much more than their party and when they took office.

I suspect that with many of the collines there are no sources at all, other than map-based. A lot of the population lives by subsistence agriculture, so they live beside their fields and have no money to spend. A colline may be just a patchwork of trees, fields and scattered houses with no real settlements. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:02, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Hi, I see you've contributed a lot to Kingdom of Bonny, would you be interested in a taskforce on oral tradition? Kowal2701 (talk) 20:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

That was a long time ago. I would have just been following a thread from some other article I was working on, thought the subject was interesting, and added a bit from sources available online. I have no special knowledge of the subject. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:34, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

No worries Kowal2701 (talk) 12:42, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

If you are sort of interested, there’s a section on the page which has sources for people interested but unfamiliar, but no worries if not Kowal2701 (talk) 12:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks, but I don't think that would make much difference. It is fairly easy to position on a line, harder on a point within a line, but I can do that too. It just slows me down a bit. It has been quite a long time since I noticed someone removing line breaks. Why they do it is beyond me. Imagine writing computer code with no line breaks! Aymatth2 (talk) 21:25, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

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A decade and a bit late, but bravo, very well written. I think it would easily pass as a good article.

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Thanks. I had completely forgotten The Christian Guardian. I was following a chain of redlinks from Heliconian Club, came across this subject, pulled together what I could find online, then moved on. It is quite long, but I think it would need more to be a good article, particularly information on ownership, employees, pricing and circulation - the business aspects. Perhaps someone will take an interest and expand it, but the audience would be very limited. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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Do you fancy working on an article on a place in Europe where the sources are in English? I know. Systemic bias and all. It's not a modern place. Uncle G (talk) 17:19, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

• Sounds intriguing, but I have not been editing much lately. A bit distracted by real world stuff. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:07, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Maybe it will prove to be a welcome distraction, and a chance to exercise your powers again. I've started off a stub in your user space. There's quite a lot missing from it that can be found in the VCH. And the old hundred is missing, too. See how you can run with it. Uncle G (talk) 09:37, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

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After the rivers/creeks category discussion ended, I saw your comment: I think of a creek as a tidal inlet, possibly fed by a rivulet, as opposed to a stream, brook, beck, burn or billabong. Curious, if you don't mind saying this about yourself — in general, where are you, or where is this the normal meaning of "creek"? I've never heard of creeks being tidal inlets, so I was a bit surprised by your comment. Nyttend (talk) 20:25, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

I was born and brought up in southeast England, where the term "creek" usually means tidal creek, and inland watercourses smaller than rivers are brooks and streams. I spent my summer holidays in Scotland, where burn is the common term for streams smaller than rivers.

I spent most of my working life in Canada, so mostly use American spelling. I came across inland creeks in the USA. The word is obviously British in origin, so perhaps was or is used in the sense of an inland stream in some part of Britain. I think that would be rare.

I have retired to a coastal village in Costa Rica, where an estero is not an estuary but a lagoon, emptying into the ocean, often rain fed via very small rios..

Given the many inconsistently used names for moving bodies of water, it seems simplest to use "river" as a catch-all. Perhaps "stream" would be more accurate, but I can't see any chance of getting consensus on that change, or any great value in it. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:52, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

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I did Lake Patos (AfD discussion), helping the disappearing ducks. Tag! You are it. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 22:05, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Ok. I already did thousands of stubs on the other half of Antarctica. This one looks like yet another merge and redirect. Step one is to find an online map... Aymatth2 (talk) 22:54, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

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I don't know whether you'll enjoy countering systemic bias on this one and putting the old pre-independence history in; with Harry L. Ford and the police station that couldn't go in the shopping centre. But here it is, in case you might. There appear to be a few more sources, beyond what I mentioned, on how the area has changed post-independence. Uncle G (talk) 07:23, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

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• Wani, Shakoor Ahmad (September 2021). "The New Baloch Militancy: Drivers and Dynamics". India Quarterly. 77 (3). SAGE: 479–500. JSTOR 48650549.

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Uncle G (talk) 09:19, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining the process and rationale behind the process. I found your essay really helpful.

"One may question the value of developing an article to GA or FA status in an attempt to satisfy the serious student or researcher. Would any serious student or researcher use Wikipedia? Perhaps getting more articles up to C class, meeting the needs of most readers, gives greater payback."

This is such a valuable perspective to me. I've made it my mission to expand stub and start class articles about literature, and I used to be very disappointed about the all the Cs I kept getting. This was a much needed reality check. Of course I'm still happy if I can get an article to B, but now I see how upgrading to C too is well worth my time and effort. --Adelequested (talk) 15:06, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

I am glad it was helpful. I admit to being a bit cynical about the rating process, though. I think the best we can do is try to develop accurate, useful articles, and pay no attention to the ratings. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:19, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

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Hi, you used the word payua in Santiago Atitlán, Oaxaca here in 2010 and it is coming up on a typo list. Please could you check and correct it, if possible? (I know the edit was 15 years ago.) TSventon (talk) 22:31, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

The cited source is now a redlink, but I have changed it to papaya, which grows in many parts of Oaxaco. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:01, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. For what it is worth, I have added an archived version of the url and it does say payua. TSventon (talk) 17:46, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

I am sure "payua" is a typo in the source. When I started the article I would have guessed it was an obscure fruit with no English name. I now live in Costa Rica, where the fruits are much the same. There is no payua, but papaya is very common. I am sure that is what the article should say. Aymatth2 (talk) 08:22, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

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