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There's a blocked user using various blocked, but not TPA blocked, IPs to write the same "slanderous manafesto" (my words for that mess) against Bbb23, so I'd skip fixing these specific selfclosing span errors for right now (the pages get deleted anyway). They've been popping up every few hours or so this evening. I've been letting Bbb23 know about them so far. Zinnober9 (talk) 05:55, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello Anomalocaris. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Draft:45 rolls toilet paper, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A11 is for mainspace only. Thank you. BangJan199920:57, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
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I've mostly finished off the fixable stripped issues in Template Talk pages, but I'm stuck on the remaining fixable ones. I have it down to 35 fixable, 4 questionable, and 19 to skip. If you want to take a look at my list and see if you can clear any, that would be great. You've cleared multiple lints I'd gotten stuck on in the past and thought you might be able to nab these. Completely at your leisure. Cheers, Zinnober9 (talk) 01:08, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Zinnober9: Good work. Most of the remaining Template talk missing end tag lint errors are discussions about linty markup. It might be possible to fix Template talk:Oiiint, perhaps by changing <span> tags to <div>, but I didn't succeed immediately and I don't want to spend any more time on it, at least right now. By the way, I noticed that somewhere you fixed obsolete <tt> tags with <code> tags. That's totally correct in article space, but on talk pages, I usually preserve the appearance with {{mono|...}} or {{mono|1=...}} if there are equals signs in the markup. —Anomalocaris (talk) 08:43, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm surprised that you thought most of those in the top table are talked about in their pages and not fixable. I'll go back and look at them again and see what I'm missing. As for tt fixes, I only stumbled upon mono recently, so I'll start using that more. I've been using code when the discussion is about code/parameters, and been using samp for the noncode stuff, like some user's tt signatures. Zinnober9 (talk) 01:19, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, I have referenced that page before for various things, but somehow overlooked mono on there. Very glad to see center was updated, I've run into some table centering issues lately. Zinnober9 (talk) 07:13, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi there. First off, confused why you changed something from my sandbox, even though it was helpful, that's a given. Second off, what's the actual difference between adding a slash or not ( <small> to </small> )? NewDealChief (talk) 10:20, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
NewDealChief: Your sandbox page was listed at Lint errors: Multiple unclosed formatting tags. A substantial group of Wikipedians are working to fix Lint Errors. It is considered acceptable to edit user pages, user talk pages, and sandbox pages to fix lint errors, unless the owner asks you not to, but even if the owner ask you not to, someone else is likely to come along and fix it anyway. Most HTML and Wiki tags come in pairs, with an opening tag, such as <small> and a corresponding closing tag (</small>). The slash is at the beginning of a closing tag. A slash at the end of a tag is a self-closed tag. A self-closed tag is a tag that opens and closes in one operation. This is usually an error, but it is allowed for tags such as <nowiki/> and <ref name="..." />. It is not proper to close a tag with the same tag. In the case of the small tag, the second tag means "even smaller", like this:
Markup: Here is some <small>small text and this is <small>even smaller</small></small>. Hah!
Display: Here is some small text and this is even smaller. Hah!
When the markup has two <small> tags without a closing tag, two things happen. First, the linter detects a Multiple unclosed formatting tags lint error, and second, the page displays with a leak that may go all the way to the end of the page, unless the two tags are contained within a table or div tags or perhaps some other markup that limits the scope of the leak. On your page, the leak was contained within the table cell that displayed "(Replacing Ezra Taft Benson)", so, effectively there was no leak, but there would have been if there had been anything in the table cell after the second <small> tag, or if the <small> tags weren't so contained. I hope this explains everything. Cheers! —Anomalocaris (talk) 22:29, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks again for your work tidying up the Kant page. I am wondering, it looks like you maybe used a tool to automate the work on the Reference list, removing all the weird spaces and stuff?
If it's an easy thing to do, could you possibly run it on Georg_Wilhelm_Friedrich_Hegel#References? Or else, if it doesn't require too much tech savvy, could you refer me to the app/tool/add-on/whatever and its documentation? Everything looks fine in the article (I think), but the underlying markup language is a mess, which sometimes makes it a pain to edit.
(Aside: the article currently uses what Wikipedia calls "American style" quote syntax consistently throughout. I am guessing this is much harder to fix by automation, so I'd prefer you left this be unless you can fix it across the whole article—in which case, of course, go for it!)
Since that week I made the changes correcting what you pointed out - I was helped by Editors who collaborate with Women in Red Project discussions, both in what you pointed and in other issues of the article, and the errors were all corrected, we made style revisions in the narrative, references etc. I believe it's been ok since then. Some experienced editors have agreed it's fine, but they can't move the article, as far as I understand. I would like to ask you to look at it now and if you agree, remove your comment and especially, if it is possible for you, move this article to the main space. I ask this because it has been some time that the article is in Draft, I had numerous discussions and help with about 8 Senior Editors who contributed much to the final result (talks on the page of Women in Red and other pages Usertalk), but no one with prerogatives to move the article to the main space has manifested with me. I don't understand this Wikipedia process, but I sincerely ask for your help in this. Thank you in advance. Lidia Pita (talk) 10:13, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
@Anomalocaris Thank you so much for making that comment back then, which helped me improve the references and thank you especially for your appreciation now, quite encouraging and meaningful to me. Regards. Lidia Pita (talk) 08:57, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Xan747: Glad to hear it! I write detailed edit summaries in part to encourage other editors to make the same fixes, or avoid making the same mistakes in the first place. Cheers! —Anomalocaris (talk) 05:02, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
I figured. I did a panicked insource search to see if it had happened to many pages, but there were none out there. Relief. (I do wonder how many hundreds or thousands of little errors like this I have introduced while doing script-assisted and find-and-replace-assisted Linter edits.) – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:40, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
Jonesey95: Thank you for the follow-up search. Glad to know it came out clean. I usually Show changes before saving, looking for mistakes like this, but I probably skipped that step this time. —Anomalocaris (talk) 17:13, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
Thank you
Anomalocaris,
Thank you very much for your Copy edits to my draft article, Chimanabai Clock Tower. I express my gratitude for your kind help. Snehrashmi (talk) 02:37, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for tips
I have meanwhile noticed the difference between straight & curved quotes; As I use a word processor, it took a long time...
Bold headlines would look much better , also in the table of contents where smaller headlines clearly differ non-bold --- and above all, the table of contents is automatically shown and arrested on the whole left side, no matter where you are on the page! (apparently prepared for future), but Wikipedia rules here...
Similarly, the usual English headline capitalisation looks also better;
Could Wiki not be a bit more tolerant, as long as the presentation is improved in a reasonable way? Let me know why this stiff wiki policy...
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Only a minor point, but wanted to bring it to your notice that at Draft:Don Peake for Love Tracks, you changed my style of having italics within the wikilink, to outside of the wikilink. Anyone should be able to format it as per their preference when they create the piped wikilink, but changing from one format to another is not really productive. In this particular case, since you made a lot more format changes in the same edit, I can understand it was a bulk change. Again, not a concern, but something to keep in mind.
Jay: The italics started outside the square brackets and ended inside the brackets; this is invalid formatting. You can either have the italics outside the brackets or inside the brackets (in the second part of the wikilink after the pipe), but not one of each. For example, ''[[Link|Link'' text]] is invalid, but ''[[Link|Link text]]'' or [[Link|''Link'' text]] is fine. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:29, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
Jay: Yes, I did change [[Love Tracks (Gloria Gaynor album)|''Love Tracks'']] to ''[[Love Tracks (Gloria Gaynor album)|Love Tracks]]'', which I would not have done if italics in wikilinks had been marked up correctly and consistently throughout the page. But since italics with wikilinks were bollixed elsewhere, I standardized on italics outside the link. This is also consistent with quotation marks outside the link, which also appears on this page. Cheers! —Anomalocaris (talk) 19:14, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
Sorry to drag this some more, but what you're saying doesn't seem to match what I'm seeing. There was one piped link with italics outside the link, one piped link with italics inside the link (mine), and two piped links with italics half outside and half inside. So if you are saying you went with the first proper style that was initially present in the page, I can understand. On quotation marks for the piped links, there was only one (mine for "If I Were a Carpenter"), which was inside the link. Jay 💬04:54, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Jay: Inserted a d just now in the word standardized in my previous comment. Again, "I standardized on italics outside the link." Wikipedia style for quotes and external links is that article titles or page titles are in quotes and the quotes are part of the external link. Cite templates do this automatically, viz:
However, Wikipedia style for quotes and internal links (wikilinks) is that the quotes are outside the link. It has to be that way. Otherwise, the markup for
Can you point me to the style for quotes in piped links? If my style is incorrect, I won't use it again. Jay 💬05:59, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Jay: MOS:DISCOGRAPHY discusses styling for albums, without getting into the nitty-gritty of styling for singles. But it still provides guidance, saying, "A few examples of acceptable formatting styles, using the discography of Sloan (band):" That implies that Sloan (band) can be used as a model for styling singles. And in that article, we find several music singles in quotes with the quotes outside the wikilink, and none with the quotes inside the wikilink. I would guess that the reason MOS:DISCOGRAPHY, and for that matter, MOS:QUOTEMARKS, doesn't explicitly say "Put quotation marks outside wikilinks" is it's just never been an issue in Wikipedia, at least until now. You won't find articles with markup like
They sang [[The Star-Spangled Banner|"The Star-Spangled Banner"]] over and over until they had it right. : They sang "The Star-Spangled Banner" over and over until they had it right.
I'm all for consistency. I felt having double-quotes inside the link was consistent with having two single-quotes (italics) inside the link. I wouldn't consider highly of using Sloan (band) as a reference because it has just one piped link with quotes (which is outside), and which was added in 2011, whereas the Discographies manual has been referencing Sloan (band) from 2007. If we're going for quotes outside the link style, let us formalize it in the MOS with a reasoning. Jay 💬07:12, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Jay: The Beatles has numerous songs in quoted wikilinks, including "Love Me Do", "Please Please Me" and "P.S. I Love You". This article has no songs with quotes inside the wikilink. Frank Sinatra has numerous songs in quoted wikilinks, including "My Way", "Our Love" and "Polka Dots and Moonbeams". This article has no songs with quotes inside the wikilink. Irving Berlin has numerous songs in quoted wikilinks, including "Alexander's Ragtime Band", "Easter Parade" and "Puttin' on the Ritz". This article has no songs with quotes inside the wikilink. Joan Baez has numerous songs in quoted wikilinks, including "Diamonds & Rust", "There but for Fortune" and "We Shall Overcome". This article has no songs with quotes inside the wikilink. These are just the first four articles I thought of checking. Again, I am confident that less than 1% of song wikilinks are piped to put quotes inside. I agree with you that Sloan (band) might not be the best model to be mentioned in the Manual of Style, and you are correct that it has only one piped link with quotes, viz: "Unkind". But it has numerous singles links that could have been piped to put the quotes inside if that were the standard. They aren't piped to put in the quotes because that is not how we do it in Wikipedia, as evidenced by just about every article you can think of that includes quoted wikilinked song titles. There is no need to modify the Manual of Style because it never comes up. Nobody does this.
Wikipedia:Avoid instruction creep discourages defining rules for every possible mistake. As far as I know, you are the only editor who thought putting quotes inside song wikilinks is a good idea. There is plenty of contrary evidence all over Wikipedia that we don't do it that way; therefore there is no need to modify the Manual of Style to make it explicit. —Anomalocaris (talk) 07:59, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Sloan may be replaced in the MOS with one of the good ones you found. I don't disagree with your examples, and the high count you believe is there, may be because of bots or GNOMEs changing it to one kind of format. But as I said we can formalize this in a MOS or multple MOS with a reasoning. Even a statement like:
"If I Were a Carpenter" is produced by "[[If I Were a Carpenter (song)|If I Were a Carpenter]]".
Disagree with WP:Avoid instruction creep here for the manual though. Just look at WP:MOS or the several pages where we have taken pains to document the usages. I don't think my formatting was a "mistake". It was just a different way. Jay 💬08:51, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Jay: OK, you talked me into it. I edited MOS:QUOTEMARKS to add two new sections, §Quotation marks and external links and §Quotation marks and internal links. It might have been better to start on the talk page, and very likely a discussion will start there regarding my additions. Cheers! —Anomalocaris (talk) 06:50, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
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Centering a table question
I see in this obsolete center tag fix of yours in Template:Kolkata Metro route diagram, replacing <center><table> with <table style="margin: auto"> resulted in a different rendering of the bottom table. In the original the six lines of text are left justified, whereas after your edit, the text is right justified. I tried various options last night, including <table style="float:center">, but I couldn't get the bottom table to display correctly. Is there a way to fix this? —Bruce1eetalk10:04, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
@Jonesey95: Thanks. It's interesting that when using the obsolete <center>...</center> tags it's not necessary to explicitly left-justify the text in each table cell. It seems that in this instance, there is no simple replacement for the center tags. —Bruce1eetalk12:25, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, there is probably a bug in there somewhere, but I've submitted so many bugs to phabricator that are much more important. Unfortunately, quirks like this prevent bots from mass-replacing center tags around tables. One by one.... – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:36, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
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Hey mate, instead of using multiple <code> spans to format source code, use <syntaxhighlight> instead. I'm writing w.r.t this edit here (which I've already amended with the recommended markup). Aside from looking nicer, <syntaxhighlight> tags automatically escape any embedded wiki markup, which obviates the need for <nowiki> when the code in question happens to be Wikitext. Just an FYI in case it helps you in future. :)
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Hi. I notice that on September 27, you made quite a few edits to user talk pages and the like, to fix a duplicate thumb in images (example). (Including on to my user talk page, which is how I noticed.)
Those edits are cosmetic edits and as such should not be done on their own because they clutter page histories. See WP:COSMETICBOT. Given your rate of editing, I am convinced you are doing those fixes by hand (rather than running an unapproved bot) but still: While this policy applies only to bots, human editors should also follow this guidance if making such changes in a bot-like manner.
I would be especially wary of doing this on user talk pages, which gives the users in question a big red notification that "Anomalocaris has left a message on your talk page" (but there is no such "message" to be found without looking at the page history). TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact)09:47, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
As I was editing Wikipedia:Categorizing articles about people, I thought of fixing the unnatural "That an article may occupy grey areas for inclusion, is not a valid reason" with the exact same wording you came up with, "Even if an article may occupy the grey areas of a category's inclusion criteria, that is not a valid reason". But then I went with "An article may occupy grey areas for inclusion, but this is not a valid reason". Now that you've changed it, I think my first instinct was better, so thank you for the long distance Vulcan Mind Meld and getting it back to that. <grin> —Anomalocaris (talk) 04:47, 29 September 2023 (UTC) [Originally posted at User talk:Jc37 and moved here by jc37]
rofl.
Well, when I saw your changes, I decided not to quibble about which/that - more often then not, it's an WP:ENGVAR situation anyway.
But I saw that edit and started to revert it. But then I saw how "clunky" the existing sentence was and looked at your attempt to fix it, and ended up with that result. So you definitely had an influnce to be sure lol.
Hello! I noticed you fixed some of my coding errors on various pages in my user space. I wanted to say thank you ... I'm not the best with Wiki-markup, especially when attempting new things. Maybe someday soon I'll get those Sibelius LoC pages over to the mainspace! ~ Silence of Järvenpää02:39, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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I'm aware {{tq}} can't span multiple paragraphs and I accommodated for that, as can be seen in this diff, but it seemed to handle the bulleted list section just fine. Unless I'm missing something, your edit did not change the display of my post at all. Am I missing something? --DB1729talk02:41, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
DB1729: Yes, {{tq}} can't span multiple paragraphs—techically, it can's span a block or more than a block. Anything indented is a block, so it can't wrap lines that begin with colon, asterisk or number sign. It may look OK, but it still generates misnested tags for <q>...</q>. The documentation at Template:Talk quote inline says
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As the edit summary (correctly supplied in the following edit) shows, all I did was "rm all <small>, <br>, and alignment markup and avoid all caps." I didn't change any references except minor details like fixing all caps. So don't blame me for any bare URLs or missing titles, they were already there and I had nothing to to with them. —Anomalocaris (talk) 22:54, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Actually caused by my use of |Title=("Charcot’s Influence on Freud") and |Title="Author's Preface", which were erroneous side-effects of changing titles from all caps to initial caps, and broke two cite templates. —Anomalocaris (talk) 07:06, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
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{{cite magazine|title=The Alcalde|date= Nov 1996|page=31}}
which erroneously used the magazine name as the title, and lacked an author, an actual title, and a URL. Kinfoll1993 hasn't contributed to Wikipedia since 21 July 2017 (six years ago), so there's no point asking them to fix their crappy reference. I did the best I could, intentionally using a generic title, intentionally creating an error message, so that, hopefully somebody with access to archives of The Alcalde can find the actual author and title of this article. —Anomalocaris (talk) 23:20, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
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You commented on the lack of page numbers in book references (Thanks!).
What can I do about book references made by other editors given that I do not have these books?
Should I replace some of these by complete references from books in my possession?
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