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Please note that while CANPLACE does indeed require the province name to be present in the body text following a city's name, it does not necessarily require the city and province to be pipetexted together into a single link. If a city a city's article is already located at an undisambiguated title, and the text already says [[Toronto]], [[Ontario]], CANPLACE does not require you to convert that into [[Toronto|Toronto, Ontario]] instead. All CANPLACE means is that Ontario has to be present in the text — it does not impose a rule about how the city and province links need to be formatted. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 15:06, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

@Bearcat: But putting two wlinks together like that is inappropriate under the MOS is it not? It makes two links look like one. Someone pointed that out to me. What do you think? Alaney2k (talk) 15:32, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

You also have the option of unlinking the province if you feel that strongly about it; there's no rule that actually requires the province's name to be linked at all, and in some cases the link may not actually be necessary at all (e.g. if the article has already linked the province name elsewhere). But there's no rule anywhere that requires the city and province names to be contained within a single link, even if you have to pipetext that into the link overtop an undisambiguated title. And at any rate, at my monitor resolution I can tell the difference between Toronto, Ontario and Toronto, Ontario, so I don't see how it inherently makes two links look like one. For some people, sure, it might — but that's definitely not universal, because I for one can distinguish two links in the separated format. Bearcat (talk) 15:38, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) I believe you mean WP:SOB? It asks us to avoiding multi-links where it is not visible that there are multiple links until you hover it. Toronto, Ontario has a comma in between that is obviously not linked, so I doubt that it would lead to too much confusion. You are not required to link the region at all either per WP:OVERLINK, but piping is, IMO, always a bad idea (WP:NOPIPE). Lordtobi (✉) 15:43, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

@Bearcat: @Lordtobi: So what do you think about the articles where the link is [[Calgary]], [[Alberta|AB]], [[Canada|CAN]]? I've been making that into [[Calgary|Calgary, Alberta]], Canada to try to reduce the overlinking and observe canplace. That was a standard for a while for the hockey project. Should I always use the redirect? ( [[Calgary, Alberta]], Canada ) I've had editors not wanting a redirect there. Alaney2k (talk) 16:05, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

For U.S. and Canada, region is usually enough, especially when it has been established before hand that the topic is Canadian. I'd say either do [[Calgary, Alberta]] ; [[Calgary]], [[Alberta]] or [[Calgary]], Alberta. [[Calgary|Calgary, Alberta]] is again a NOPIPEr. Lordtobi (✉) 16:23, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

This is in the infobox, so I leave in Canada. I'd rather not make the reader have to click to realize that a place in a named province is in Canada. The point you were definite on was not to use the one I was using. :-) But using [[Calgary]], [[Alberta]] as a model, seems to lead editors to use constructions like this: [[Red Deer, Alberta|Red Deer]], [[Alberta]], so I guess I will go with the redir consistently. Then, we can be consistent for both the Red Deers and the Calgarys. Alaney2k (talk) 17:06, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

You say that as though [[Red Deer, Alberta|Red Deer]], [[Alberta]] is actually a problem. You may not like it, but there's no actual reason why it's inherently invalid to do that — there's no policy or guideline that forbids it, and the only argument against it is that some editors don't like it. Thing is, intentionally using the "City, Province" redirect in lieu of [[City]], [[Province]], just like forcepiping the province name into the city link, entirely defeats the purpose of our ever having moved the cities to undisambiguated titles in the first place — if we're going to do that, then what other reason do we have left to not just move all the undabbed cities back to "City, Province" titles across the board? Bearcat (talk) 20:13, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

@Bearcat: It's not a question of me liking it or not. Would it not be wrong under NOPIPE? I am getting conflicting advice. Then you suggest linking as [[Calgary]], Alberta, Canada in the infobox? The purpose of the wikilink there is to link to the birthplace, not every jurisdiction it is within, is it not? And Red Deer would be [[Red Deer, Alberta|Red Deer]], Alberta, Canada? Alaney2k (talk) 21:19, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

If you don't like coding [[Red Deer, Alberta|Red Deer]], [[Alberta]] you can use the pipe trick to just code [[Red Deer, Alberta|]], [[Alberta]] and get the exact same result. Mathglot (talk) 09:33, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm surprised this trick even works, but I don't think it is a good inclusion in a publicly-editable space, as it can confuse many people (especially those that never coded). Lordtobi (✉) 10:11, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

You kidding? The pipe trick is fantastic, specifically because it allows editors to link articles with parenthetical disambiguators without having to retype the actual name every link. (Remember, parentheticals are not part of the name of the subject, but added to give them a unique title as required by the software. The use of the comma convention for place names is just a variation in that that is seen in the real world.) Also note that when the pipe trick is employed, only the initial entry has just the pipe. The actual saved code, which the next editor would see if they edit by source, contains the pipes text. The person making the first edit enters [[Red Deer, Alberta|]], [[Alberta]], but the next person to look at the code to make an edit (presuming they're not usuing visual editor) sees [[Red Deer, Alberta|Red Deer]], [[Alberta]], and never even knows thenpipe trick was used in the first place. oknazevad (talk) 10:48, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't realize that it saved the proper term into the code as well, that's amazing! I wonder if there are more such secrets, hehe. Lordtobi (✉) 14:34, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

You mention above that by using [[Calgary]], [[Alberta]] leads people to using [[Red Deer, Alberta|Red Deer]], [[Alberta]], [[Canada]]. But of course it does, there is no guideline against this, and in many infoboxes, including the hockey one for example doing it this way was the discussed outcome of how locations were to be displayed. We have been switching the hockey one from [[Calgary]], [[Alberta|AB]], [[Canada|CAN]] to [[Calgary]], [[Alberta]], [[Canada]] slowly but noticed you have been combining links which will now have to be gone through as well. -DJSasso (talk) 11:53, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Maybe I wasn't clear. It was a 'if you follow that logic, it leads to this' that leads to pipes. So it was a contradiction, IMO. I get contradictory advice all the time, BTW. Can you give me an example of the "combining links"? Am I being contradictory or wrong? Alaney2k (talk) 17:18, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

I'd go with city/sovereign state for all Canadian, American & British articles, to match with the rest of the international community. But of course, it's not up to me. GoodDay (talk) 21:10, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

The three on the list allow the same place names within the country. I don't think the others do. Alaney2k (talk) 17:13, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Adams_(composer)&curid=16518&diff=845873640&oldid=843995949 See WP:NOTBROKEN Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:57, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

I get a half-dozen thanks for every one of your negative comments. I figure I am doing ok. The title of the paper is The New York Times. Therefore it is preferred per the cite you mentioned. That's what I figure. Alaney2k (talk) 19:26, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

I don't mind altering the text "New York Times" to "The New York Times" within the context of a reference, but see MOS:THETITLE on when the title is used as a modifier. Inserting "The" in this context can make the text more awkward, it's not an improvement, and it's already covered by the WP:MOS. Nitpicking polish (talk) 20:50, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

I was wondering about that. Thanks for pointing that out. I am not the best grammarian. Alaney2k (talk) 20:58, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

I think it is certainly ok to replace existing text like the New York Times with The New York Times, no? Alaney2k (talk) 20:59, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

I'd say that it depends on whether the article "the" refers to the paper or to something else. Turning "The New York Times is a daily newspaper" into "The New York Times is a daily newspaper" seems harmless to me. Turning "The New York Times article on Monday..." into either "The New York Times article on Monday..." or "The The New York Times article on Monday..." makes the sentence more awkward, and seems like a good place to apply the exception in MOS:THETITLE. Nitpicking polish (talk) 01:48, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with Nitpicking polish. See my reversion of your change here: [5]. Ericoides (talk) 14:24, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

It looks like you have a script to replace various forms of New York Times with The New York Times. Please add an exclusion to prevent many times from matching ny times. See the end of your edit to Chronology of the universe. Regards, Tarl N. (discuss) 03:03, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks folks. I have fixed that. I did not have case sensitive turned on. Sorry about the mistakes. Alaney2k (talk) 14:37, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Another good check would be to change your search to the regular expression "(\s)NY Times" and replace it with "$1The New York Times" . The "\s" makes sure that the character before the "N" is a space, tab, or new line, and the $1 will insert the same character before the word "The". --Ahecht (TALK
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Thanks. I have not used the MS regex that much. Alaney2k (talk) 15:41, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Ah, if you're using regex, you might try \W rather than \s - \W (note, capital W) will match any non-word character. That will allow "NY Times" (a common construct in citations), which would be excluded by \s (matches only whitespace). Regards, Tarl N. (discuss) 17:28, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Again, thanks! Alaney2k (talk) 17:34, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

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It's a judgment call. I did not think they were helpful to the reader. They are basically extra links and close together. If the link to the paper was important, then it would be in the prose. E.g. A survey commissioned by The New York Times found ... But these are just basically sources linked to the paper, and it is a pretty well-known paper. The urls in the cites are what people care about. Alaney2k (talk) 14:22, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

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The Governor General office initiated a review of the organizations that it supports, which is still ongoing over a year later. As a result, the current Governor General has been going to a lot fewer events than the previous one. She even missed the Governor General's Medals in Architecture and the Governor General's History Awards ceremonies; Rideau Hall said the latter was due to scheduling conflicts. Official word is that the Governor General's schedule remains busy and so I don't believe she said anything about not having a lot to do. isaacl (talk) 16:46, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

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Hey Alaney2k, I hope all is well. I undid your addition to Quinn Hughes because he didn't sign a contract with the team, therefore, he isn't really a prospect with them. I actually had the same idea you did originally and made the same edit but it was removed by another user [7] because he wasn't signed yet. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 06:18, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

• Did not see anything in the infobox docs to disallow that. An unwritten rule, I guess. Alaney2k (talk) 06:21, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

You mentioned that needs a reference, but how would one go about citing the Shin Godzilla movie's English subtitles? Furthermore, at 37:20 there is a dossier that clearly spells Satomi Ishihara's character's name as "Kayoco". 24.71.174.179 (talk) 09:15, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

• You could cite the DVD maybe. I think there is a citation template for that. Check out Template:citation. Alaney2k (talk) 14:59, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

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• @Secondarywaltz: Yes, that should be a redir to the park article. That would make sense. Alaney2k (talk) 18:52, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm semi-retired from Wikipedia, or I would have already boldly merged them myself. I thought the existence of the beach article should be brought to your attention. Secondarywaltz (talk) 20:52, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

@User talk:ThatIPGuy's opinion and vote should not be considered, he/she should be reported to the necessary parties because the user is manipulating votes, check here. ThatIPGuy deliberately added support votes to influence consensus to his/her favor. Armegon (talk) 15:07, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

@Armegon: The first step would be pointing out the rules on their talk page. I don't know if I would go further than that. Alaney2k (talk) 15:14, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I left a little warning on the user's talk page. Figured the user is most likely new at being a Wiki editor. Armegon (talk) 15:16, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Alaney2k (talk) 16:21, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Well, he created sock puppets now. He's using them to further manipulate support for his edit. I checked the user contributions and those accounts have made no other contributions other than the G:KOTM talk page. On top of that, their writing styles are very identical. Coincidence? I think not. Armegon (talk) 19:37, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

@Armegon: I don't understand people. Why create sock puppets for such an inconsequential thing? If Village Roadshow uses an alternate title in English markets, should we not add it somehow? I'll add it to the WT:Films page. I guess we should report it to the admins, it just seems an unnecessary headache. Alaney2k (talk) 19:44, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

As a past contributor to the article, you're invited to a Request for Comment (RfC) discussion on the article's lead sentence. FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 22:45, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bruno_Bettelheim#rfc_7DDF8CC

Hi, I think you were the person who included Day's Corner, Newfoundland as his death place (as well as his death date previously). I'm wondering where or how you got this info as the NFLD. government has no record of his death (at any time). Any thoughts appreciated. Researchguy (talk) 18:56, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

@Researchguy: Not me (User:Marc87 I think). The article lists Day's Corner, - Prince Edward Island -, not Newfoundland, so yeah, you won't find anything in NFLD records.Alaney2k (talk) 19:10, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't do this often, so apologies for the second message. I think you just changed the city of death to Baltimore. This is correct, but that note from the Globe and Mail lists the date of death incorrectly. Boyd died on November 15, which can be confirmed from an obit in the Baltimore Sun on November 18, 1940. Cheers.Researchguy (talk) 20:08, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

@Researchguy: Hmm. I read that fast, as I was going to look for another reference. The G&M actually lists November 16 as day of death, though. Alaney2k (talk) 20:18, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Nov 15, for sure. There is also a small story on his death in the Baltimore Sun on November 16, 1940 p 7.Researchguy (talk) 20:28, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't have access to that paper on newspapers.com. Please double and triple-check the wording on those articles before you change the date. We can still use the G&M reference for the location anyway. Alaney2k (talk) 20:41, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

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• On 3 September, the Editing team released version 3 of Edit Cards. Anyone could use the new version in the mobile visual editor.
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The Editing Team attended Wikimania 2019 in Sweden. They led a session on the mobile visual editor and a session on the new talk pages project. They tested two new features in the mobile visual editor with contributors. You can read more about what the team did and learned in the team's report on Wikimania 2019.

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Thank you for your recent edits in the lead. They appear to be an improvement and to fairly summarize the report. For the record, I did raise the citation needed concerns on the talk page first. Anyway, thanks for making them.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk)

Hi, Alaney2k. I hope you don't mind, but I closed that discussion at Talk:Star Wars: The Last Jedi#Change to Audience Reception because it was from a sockpuppet account that is now indefinitely banned. Feel free to undo that if you think it is a worthwhile discussion to have open. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 03:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

@Wallyfromdilbert: Thanks. No problem. I was just curious. Alaney2k (talk) 05:19, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

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Google Code-In, Google-organized contest in which the Wikimedia Foundation participates, starts in a few weeks. This contest is about taking high school students into the world of opensource. I'm sending you this message because you recently edited a documentation page at the English Wikipedia.

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		This maple leaf is awarded to Alaney2k for writing and expanding three horse-racing articles and greatly expanding New Fort York during the third year of The 10,000 Challenge of WikiProject Canada. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 16:17, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

I notice you have recently been making a number of edits to fix citations by inserting the definite article in front of newspaper names which formally start with the definite article. I suggest that this isn't a very useful activity, especially given that the number of signifcant things in need of fixing is so numerous.

In many contexts, ignoring or discarding a leading "article" is standard, so I suppose I'm arguing that both are acceptable. Admittedly, it's nice to have some sense of standardization. OTOH, English WP generally emphasizes consistency within an article rather than across WP.

Sure, making these changes is very easy, but there are also other costs associated with a change. In any case, I think everybody is better off if there are just left alone. Fabrickator (talk) 20:40, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

I've had several dozen thanks for tidying these up. I guess you and they disagree. It's only a small part of what I do on Wikipedia. Alaney2k (talk) 20:44, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

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Five years!

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Content you added to the above article appears to have been copied from https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/world/americas/british-columbia-pipeline-wetsuweten.html, which is not released under a compatible license. Copying text directly from a source is a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the content had to be removed. Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions. — Diannaa (talk) 16:05, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I believe you edited this entry and included his date of death. If so, can you tell me your source for this info? I'm trying to confirm that date and find out more about this NHL player. Thanks.Researchguy (talk) 18:24, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

It was Connormah who got the death date in that article. And both him and Marc87 (since I notice you have asked him for dates in the past) I believe get their dates from the Society for International Hockey Reasearch. -DJSasso (talk) 18:33, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. They don't respond to my requests, and I'm just trying to confirm dates and places as there are plenty of errors on wiki for NHLers in general. Oh well, I'll keep looking. Cheers.Researchguy (talk) 19:15, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

@Researchguy: (Off sick yesterday) The death date does correspond to the SIHR listing for Thibeault. Place of birth is Chartrand Corner, Ontario, Canada. The notes for the player:

Oct. 18, 1944 Traded by Buffalo (AHL) to Detroit for cash.

Traded to Buffalo (AHL) by Detroit for cash, October 17, 1945

Loaned to Montreal by Buffalo (AHL) for the loan of Wilf Field, Kenny Mosdell and Frank Eddolls, October 29, 1945

Returned to Buffalo (AHL) from Montreal and requested that his amateur status be reinstated, November 06, 1945

Signed as a free agent by Hull (QSHL), November, 1945

Among leaders: 1938-39 Sixth-points; 42-43 Second

Became a Quebec Provincial Police officer in Val D'Or, Quebec, in the late 1950s.

SIHR colleague Helen Edwards found through genealogy that LORRAIN LAWRENCE THBEAULT is the full, complete name --- Tony Medici - September 1,2015

- Not much else. Started play with Cornwall in senior hockey 36-37 and played until 51-52 in the ECSHL. Alaney2k (talk) 18:13, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the details. Again, although the SIHR site is great, by virtue of it being so big it also has plenty of errors. I am always sceptical of a date of death without a place--surely one should lead to the other 99% of the time? Do you do a lot of research on hockey players? There are a handful of others whose death dates and places I'm trying to confirm, if you're able to help. If not, no worries & thanks again for this.Researchguy (talk) 19:00, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

We have to rely on what we can find for sources. It's an ongoing process and I find errors in lots of sources that are considered reliable. I've corrected the NHL Guide, the Canadian Encyclopedia and other sources. For a lot of players such as Thibeault, that is career minor leaguers, they just fade away and it is difficult to get much information, without actually going to the town(s) they lived in or hoping they write a memoir or something. Sometimes the info comes out in reminiscences of other persons. I might be able to find info if you pass me some names. Alaney2k (talk) 19:12, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that's why I'm trying to find obits or death notices for all deceased players because that's the only way to confirm this info and get it correct. Okay, let me give you three names I'm having trouble with: Roger Jenkins (died May 4, 1994), Rollie Paulhus (d. December 30, 1964), snd Bill Carse (d. October 31, 2000). I'd like to find out their city of death, but failing that where they are buried, the funeral home that handled their service, family members still alive, anything that might lead to corroborating those dates of death. Any help, leads, suggestions much appreciated. p.s. Carse did NOT die in Hawaii as some sources say. Cheers.Researchguy (talk) 16:18, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

First of all, I want to thank you for keeping up the updates. History will recognise this as be a key time for indigenous relations in Canada. However, I have had to come to your talk page because you have not once come to the article talk page.

Specifically, I wonder why you keep forcing a pov direction without once seeking consensus on the talk page. Your writing continually buries, dismisses, or even erases the strong impacts to others not personally involved in the protests as a result of the rail blockades. You have not once bothered to update layoffs directly related to pipeline protests, which now affect more than a thousand people. You keep deleting large sections of text as though there were only a single person in favour of the pipeline route, which we both know is not true, even among First Nations. Essentially, you are writing and acting as though your opinion were the only valid one ... even though it does not actually reflect the reality accurately.

You are also writing the article as a newspaper article rather than as an encyclopaedic article. The difference is the micro focus vs the macro focus and the stronger requirement for neutrality in an encyclopaedia. Please note that I am not saying that any given encyclopaedia is absolutely neutral, but they do at least try. Newspapers are much more aware of how to tightly frame information to support one side or another. The more micro the view, the easier it is to frame information to support a given ism. In writing an encyclopaedic article, we should be trying for neutrality, in part by using as broad a frame as possible.

I don't know if you are actively involved in the cause, but you should know that you are definitely coming across that way. As with you and your writing here, the question people are asking about the pipeline protests is whether anything other than a complete veto is acceptable to the protesters -- regardless of what others, including multiple other First Nations, consider best for their own communities. If it is veto or nothing, then how is that any better than the basis for the protests? You are certainly not helping the cause by rejecting the very consultation with involved others which the protests are claiming the right to on the national stage.

This would be where most WP members would start talking about taking a conflict to arbitration. I am not most members. Still, you of all people (as a "mithril-level grandmaster editor") should be aware that continually forcing edits without talk page consultation is against WP policy -- which was there before either you or I were members. (*laugh* Don't go solely by my current IP to guess how long I was around on WP, any more than we would go by the Indian Act to guess whether a given person validly identifies as native. Neither of us gets to claim sovereignty *here*.)

I probably won't get back to you or the article before Monday. Disclaimer - I will be a passenger on a newly-running train for a significant part of that time. I go fully offline during such times. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 06:15, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

I was reading Rob Ford page and found this in it: "It was during the 2001 budget deliberations that Ford made a reputation for passionate speeches. The City was facing a several hundred million budget shortfall, enough to require a 32% tax increase, after services were downloaded from the Government of Ontario."

The whole paragraph was inserted by you as a change and that was part of it. Because i don't know canadian politics, i wanted to question this before i make any changes. First: 32% tax increase sounds like a lot? Perhaps it was relative to the current tax percentage? Furthermore, english isn't my native language so "services were downloaded from the Government of Ontario" sounds off, is word downloaded used in that manner? I just don't understand the meaning at all, does it mean purchasing services from the government?

Muhvi 18:47, 1 March 2020 (UTC+2)

I will take a look into it. It does need to be rewritten. Alaney2k (talk) 01:58, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

I don't dispute the name of the publication, but your (automated?) changes have a negative impact on readability, particularly when they produce the phrase "a The." Nobody except the Times is responsible for policing the Times' trademark. Please reconsider. 73.71.251.64 (talk) 06:38, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

So, I’m new to this, and I was wondering if I could have some help. It’s probably right under my nose but is there a list of rules or something I can read? I made an edit to an article but it got removed because it was over a word count I didn’t know existed. And, is there any way to extend that limit? I didn’t think the article I wrote was that long and I have to leave out a lot of detail to get it under the limit. Thanks in advance!!! GodzillaExpert100 (talk) 04:07, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

@GodzillaExpert100: You are not the only one to struggle with the limit of 700 words. I have been in your position, going back and forth in editing. The standard is WP:FILMPLOT and it is firm. It's not that important to be very detailed in a plot. Try to keep that in mind. Don't let it discourage you, try to make it a writing challenge. Other article standards can be found at WP:MOS, the manual of style. Alaney2k (talk) 13:06, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

@Alaney2k: Thanks for the advice! I’m sorry you had to correct the post twice, the first time I didn’t realize why it changed. I mainly use the mobile website, is there a word count somewhere I can check so I know how long what I wrote is without having to count the words? Thanks again for your help and patience! GodzillaExpert100 (talk) 17:20, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

@GodzillaExpert100: I just cut and paste the preview text (not the edit box) to wordcounter.net and use that. We talk quite a bit about the Godzilla franchise amongst us editors. Armegon is a good one to get advice from. Alaney2k (talk) 17:33, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks again! GodzillaExpert100 (talk) 23:03, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

I don't dispute the name of the publication, but your (automated?) changes have a negative impact on readability, particularly when they produce the phrase "a The." Nobody except the Times is responsible for policing the Times' trademark. Please reconsider. 73.71.251.64 (talk) 06:38, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Spot of a mistake that's all. Another user has thanked me for a similar edit (without error of course). Alaney2k (talk) 19:25, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Just an anecdote: I once had a habit of hitting random articles and adding an extra space above the stub tag per WP:STUBSPACING. But it annoyed people, so I let it go. Brycehughes (talk) 22:23, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

My sincere aplogies and thank you very much for the organization and structure! BrodyKRS (talk) 20:45, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

@BrodyKRS: I had to look at your previous edits to understand. Believe me I am trying to better the articles according to Wikipedia principles and procedures. I will happily answer any questions on my edits. I believe what's relevant to you and me was that I reduced duplication, (there was lots) and moved some text around for organization. No hard feelings I hope. Alaney2k (talk) 21:40, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

@Alaney2k: All of the edits are completley understandable, I just opened the doc and saw the removal of the impact on the Wet'suwet'en People and thought someone was mad that I posted the truth. Then I realized you had just changed the page around and made it better. I am very happy to see someone else looking at both sides of the issue and posting the truth! BrodyKRS (talk) 01:39, 7 March 2020 (UTC)