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Your move of the Ophelia pages was in contrary to the concensus reached on the talk page about a year ago, that the main article should be about the character and link to the disambig page. Please revert it. darkskyz06:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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I'm currently interested in Unicorn, but I'm looking for some material, so haven't edited this page yet. Please join in with me if you like. Best,PeaceNT14:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
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I'd like to try using Twinkle, but I'm too lazy to find out about how to add the script to my monobook. May I copy from yours? PeaceNT13:03, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey Appleworm. Thanks for supporting my unsuccessful RFA this week under my old name, TeckWiz. I'm now known simply as User:R. I hope to keep helping and improving Wikipedia alongside you. --TeckWiz is now RParlateContribs@(Let's go Yankees!) 15:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
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I remember you asked me to make a user page for you a little while ago. I'm now much closer to you than before, and I'm interested to try making it for you. Do you still want a user page? Best,PeaceNT16:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for nice request but I don't feel like having a userpage now. (I'm tired of vandalism) AW16:32, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Some days ago you suggested that the Elvis Presley article needs some rewriting. To my dismay, I have now seen what has happened to the article. User:Northmeister has removed several paragraphs from the article in order to cut it from a very biased point of view. He himself states on his user page, "I've been a lifelong fan of Elvis Presley." Therefore, he removed most material that included some critical remarks concerning the singer's life. The article now reads as if it has been chiefly written by Elvis fans.
There are still expressions in the article that clearly show the dominance of biased fan views:
"He remains a pop icon thirty years after his death..."
Query: is this really true? In an article entitled "Getting today's teens all shook up over Elvis", Woody Baird says, "Teenagers in the 1950s and '60s went wild over Elvis Presley, much to the consternation of their parents, but kids in the new millennium aren't so stirred by rock 'n' roll's original rebel. 'I can't try to sell somebody Elvis who doesn't know who he is . . . that he's not just some guy who's been gone for 30 years,' said Paul Jankowski, chief of marketing for Elvis Presley Enterprises Inc." Therefore, "the multimillion dollar Elvis business will try to connect with a new generation of teenage fans." They endeavor to show up more film clips, photos and other material from the vast Presley archives online. 'We will take our MySpace page and we will focus on expanding our number of friends on MySpace, that kind of thing,' Jankowski said..." However, Baird concludes, "Moving Elvis content online should be easy; making Elvis cool again will be more difficult. After all, for most kids, Elvis is the music of their parents' - or grandparents' - generation." See [1]
"In a musical career of over two decades, Presley set numerous records including, concert attendance, television ratings, and records sales, while became one of the best-selling artists in music history."
"His shows in Vegas were known for their highly energetic performances—both vocally and physically—and his trademark jump-suits and capes, which added to the drama. His concert performances were staggering in quantity, numbering 1,145 in the eight years from 1969 to 1977. He continued to perform to sold-out auditoriums around the U.S. until his sudden death in 1977."
"By 1957 Presley was the most famous entertainer in the world."
Further changes suggest that fans now dominate the article:
A new section entitled "Southern star" has been created.
The section concerning the influence of his manager Colonel Tom Parker which was correctly entitled Presley and his manager "Colonel" Tom Parker has been renamed and some critical passages have been removed. For inexplicable reasons, the section is now entitled "American icon".
There are now two different sections in the article stressing Elvis being a US mega star: "American idol" and "American icon".
On the other hand, more critical paragraphs such as A danger to American culture?, Political beliefs and The Elvis cult and its critics have been deleted.
The Death and burial section has been removed.
The Elvis lives? section is still in the article.
etc. etc.
Several well-sourced details have been totally removed from the older version of the article, for instance:
- from the Early life section:
"Vernon Presley is described as "taciturn to the point of sullenness"[1] and as "a weakling, a malingerer, always averse to work and responsibility,"[2] whereas his mother, Gladys, was "voluble, lively, full of spunk."[3]Priscilla Presley describes her as "a surreptitious drinker and alcoholic. When she was angry, "she cussed like a sailor."[4]"
"Neither Gladys nor Vernon had finished elementary school. The result was one "menial job after another. One run-down apartment after the next, barely enough money to put food on the table for a family of three."[5]
The little boy "grew up a loved and precious child. He was, everyone agreed, unusually close to his mother."[6] "Much has been written about the unusually close relationship between Elvis and his mother, often with the suggestion of something unhealthy afoot," because "Elvis, sole survivor of a pair of twins delivered by Gladys, would reap the love and attention normally given two boys."[7] His mother "worshipped him," said a neighbor, "from the day he was born." Elvis himself said, "My mama never let me out of her sight. I couldn't go down to the creek with the other kids."[8]
Interestingly, the following passage is still to be found in the article: "On the evening of April 5, 1936, the Presley's survived the fourth deadliest tornado in US history that took 233 lives."
- from the Death and burial section (which has now been totally removed):
On August 16, 1977, at his Graceland mansion in Memphis, Tennessee, Presley was found lying on the floor of his bedroom's bathroom by his fiancee, Ginger Alden, who had been asleep. A stain on the bathroom carpeting was found that indicated "where Elvis had thrown up after being stricken, apparently while seated on the toilet. It looked to the medical investigator as if he had 'stumbled or crawled several feet before he died'."[9]
In the section concerning the influence of Elvis's manager Colonel Parker, which was correctly entitled Presley and his manager "Colonel" Tom Parker but is now wrongly entitled American icon, these well-sourced critical remarks have been removed:
Parker's success led to Presley expanding the "Colonel's" management contract to an even 50/50 split. Over the years, much has been written about "Colonel" Parker, most of it critical. "Endlessly deferring to his manager," says John Harris, the singer "watched his own career dive first into B-movieschmaltz and thence towards the dead-end that was Las Vegas."[10] Marty Lacker, a lifelong friend and a member of the Memphis Mafia, says he thought of Parker as a "hustler and scam artist" who abused Presley's reliance on him. Priscilla Presley admits that "Elvis detested the business side of his career. He would sign a contract without even reading it."[11] This would explain the strong influence the Colonel had on Presley. Nonetheless, Lacker acknowledged that Parker was a master promoter.[12]
The last passage now reads:
On September 9, 1956, at his first of three appearances on the Sullivan show, Presley drew an estimated 82.5% percent of the television audience, calculated at between 55-60 million viewers. On his third and final appearance (January 6, 1957) on the The Ed Sullivan Show, Sullivan, apparently very impressed by Presley, pointed to him and told the audience "This is a real decent, fine boy. We've never had a pleasanter experience on our show with a big name than we've had with you ... You're thoroughly all right."
Significantly, this additional remark has been omitted:
However, it has also been said that Presley's manager orchestrated the compliment in exchange for permitting Presley to appear, after Sullivan had earlier publicly stated his refusal to allow Presley on his program.
The Drug abuse section is now part of the Controversy surrounding death section, despite the fact that there is no controversy about this abuse of drugs which took place during the singer's lifetime.
References to Elvis's relationships and the Memphis Mafia have been excluded from the text, and the sections on The Elvis cult and its critics and the FBI files on Elvis have been totally removed. This is not acceptable. May I ask you, therefore, to have a closer look at what has happened with this biographical article. Thank you. Onefortyone23:16, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
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haven't seen you around for a week, I hope everything's fine. Are you taking an extended Wikibreak? I've sent you a mail in case you don't check this page too often :-) Miss you, PeaceNT14:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Wow - you're back!! I'm so happy to see you again, thanks for the co-nom (you're incredibly fast). I'll send you an email shortly. (Hey! Wait. Have you replied to my last email?:)) Love, PeaceNT15:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Replied, dear. I was joking above. There's no rush in replying to my email. You've just been back from a break. Just relax and enjoy your time editing. Best,PeaceNT16:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
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Your kind words came to me yesterday as a meaningful and completely unexpected surprise, and today once again I must say I am deeply moved by your sweet email. It's only fair that I give you something in return, dear, for you coming back have made my day brighter. Sorry because this took me some time, but check your mailbox, please. PeaceNT13:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
^Marty Lacker, Lamar Fike, and Billy Smith, Elvis Aron Presley: Revelations from the Memphis Mafia (1995). A detailed biography of Parker was written by Alanna Nash and published in 2003.
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